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I mostly agree with you and Clint actually, but *Pimps-pushers-prostitutes* *** playing such a big part (and name) in «electronic music», i'd rather chase the sun. It's not about the nice guy playing political correctness then, it's about protecting yourself against a war you cannot win. Eventually, *Hustlers *is the only «electronic music documentary» that will never hit the streets. Well, it already exists in various flavors, but it's named otherwise. *** : *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIZu6CNVl8 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIZu6CNVl8>* On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 236 lines It's not about musical talent. It's about hustle. Yes there's no doubt

> It's not about musical talent. It's about hustle. Yes there's no doubt > that hustling is a talent. Unfortunately, many hustlers aren't musically > talented. And while I agree with "if you don't have anything nice to say, > don't say anything at all", I also believe that if we truly care about > something (in this case it's music), at some point we have to stand up and > speak. Or, we can just be content with being content, and cower in the > corner our whole life, being afraid of offending someone, and wondering why > things aren't changing. Besides, the people that are most easily offended > are those who are acting offended on someone's else's behalf, not because > they feel as though they've been insulted themselves. So many false > martyrs. Especially with the internet. :) > > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> As spotted by Matthieu Debliqui's moniker, today's music is full-on >> subjectivity. >> >> From then, why should one use MIDI CC such as velocity — which he, >> besides, does (to my ears at least) — or whatever soundsets if he won't >> want to ? >> >> Not that i like Jlin's stuff : i actually couldn't feel farther from most >> of this mailing-list prescriptions but — sorry for crawler-sounding — i >> generally try to (but unfortunately not always succeed) stick to the « >> *if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say,-don't-say-anything-at-all* >> »-saying. >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> my point is just that yes there are always going to be people better >>> than you >>> but that said, that just means you have to try even harder, or at least >>> try >>> bach was so talented that he had to do things like that to probably even >>> challenge himself a little >>> but anyone can download a pdf and learn about how to make their >>> trap/footwork song better >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Laurent Knauth < >>> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Fugue >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> http://www.akaipro.de/sites/default/files/downloads/MpcManual.1.3.pdf >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Laurent Knauth < >>>>> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Problem is that you'll always encounter some more knowledgeable >>>>>> people than you are... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> disclaimer: don't get too pissed off, i am trolling to some degree >>>>>>> here :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> just tried to listen to jlin's dark energy and gave up .... here are >>>>>>> some tips for footwork producers: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. even your MPC has velocity control, that means that individual >>>>>>> hits/notes/etc can actually be at different volumes from one another >>>>>>> 2. the MPC can actually play samples at different pitches, in fact, >>>>>>> you can create what are called 'melodies' consisting of two or more notes >>>>>>> at different frequencies >>>>>>> 3. for many decades now, devices known as 'effects' have been made >>>>>>> available, many of which are built into your MPC -- for fun, trying >>>>>>> applying an 'effect' to one of the sounds in your 'song' -- the results can >>>>>>> be fascinating and are very popular in most every genre. >>>>>>> 4. drum sounds -- did you know? you can load different drum sounds >>>>>>> into your MPC. that's right, now, not every song has to use the same >>>>>>> hi-hat, snare, and bassdrum, on every single one of your albums, for your >>>>>>> entire career. >>>>>>> 5. did you know? you can change the parameters of sounds on the >>>>>>> MPC, using parameters like attack, decay, sustain and release, to alter >>>>>>> your sounds >>>>>>> 6. you can load more than 9 samples into your MPC. i know, it's >>>>>>> confusing, because there are only 9 buttons, but, my understanding is that >>>>>>> these buttons can actually be assigned to different sounds, and over the >>>>>>> course of several albums, you could use different sounds on EVERY ALBUM or >>>>>>> even every song >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i realize im not from the same background as people producing >>>>>>> footwork, but i am 100% confident that a manual is provided for the MPC >>>>>>> series >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:36 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who are you and where are you from? If you were African-American >>>>>>>> and lived in Chicago, you might not like Footwork either, but I doubt you'd >>>>>>>> belittle the entire genre. You're allowed your opinion, but your reaction >>>>>>>> rubbed me the wrong way; you made it sound like the people making that >>>>>>>> music were getting away with something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't live in Chicago but I go their a fair amount and know the >>>>>>>> music scene there fairly well; the one thing I know is that it's serious, >>>>>>>> and highly competitive. No one gets away with making mediocre music; any >>>>>>>> Footwork tracks you're likely to hear released on e.g. Planet Mu is not >>>>>>>> going to be half-assed. You may not like it, it may not speak to your >>>>>>>> condition, but to criticize it that way makes me think you're just hearing >>>>>>>> it, not listening to it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And you're under no obligation to like it or listen to it. There's >>>>>>>> too much music and life's too short to listen to things you don't enjoy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare >>>>>>>>> to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole >>>>>>>>> musical culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no >>>>>>>>> understanding of the culture in which it grew up." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Careful, silly-pants Kent, you're walking the ignorant line >>>>>>>>> yourself, and sounding like an academic from the burbs who's just trying to >>>>>>>>> relate. You don't know me or where I'm from. If I'm from the same musical >>>>>>>>> culture and the same socio-economic background as most peeps who make >>>>>>>>> Footwork, am I still ignorant and shallow? Am I allowed to have an opinion >>>>>>>>> then? Good, because I am. And most Footwork sucks. And I don't have to >>>>>>>>> put "IMO" because I am the one saying it, and it's obviously my opinion. I >>>>>>>>> much prefer Bluegrass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, hugs all around! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Every genre defines conventions. Every genre, furthermore >>>>>>>>>> demands a different sort of listening if you're going to understand and >>>>>>>>>> enjoy it. To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare >>>>>>>>>> to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole >>>>>>>>>> musical culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no >>>>>>>>>> understanding of the culture in which it grew up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Juke/Footwork music is very much the product of kids with cracked >>>>>>>>>> copies of Fruity Loops; they work with the tools they have. The motivation >>>>>>>>>> was to make music whose purpose is to accompany footwork dancing, which is >>>>>>>>>> competetive, athletic and intense. The idea is to have the freshest, >>>>>>>>>> trickiest rhythm, often played back on shitty boomboxes or Frankenstein >>>>>>>>>> sound systems.. Footwork, like Jit in Detroit, is both dance and stylized >>>>>>>>>> warfare; it sublimates the violence and frustration of life in "Chiraq." >>>>>>>>>> It is something positive in an environment where people are confronted >>>>>>>>>> daily with unrelenting negative things. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There's a billion footwork tracks and thousands of people making >>>>>>>>>> it. Inevitably most of it is not very good, but like any other genre, when >>>>>>>>>> it's good it's great. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's OK not to like musical styles. I bet you're not so hot on >>>>>>>>>> bluegrass music as well. But like my grandmother always told me about cream >>>>>>>>>> corn, "it's better to say you don't care for it than say you hate it." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kent, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why does Jared have to be ignorant to not like Footwork? It >>>>>>>>>>> seems like Jared just thinks this kind of music does not require much >>>>>>>>>>> effort or much of it is the same. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I listened to the compilation album "Bangs & Works Vol. 1" and >>>>>>>>>>> have found his sentiment to be true for most of the tracks on that release, >>>>>>>>>>> with some exceptions of course. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now Jlin's release here is much more experimental and fresh >>>>>>>>>>> sounding than the long tracks of TV show themes spread out over lazy beats. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ignorant or silly? Either way, I can't help myself, Kent! >>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, Jlin's stuff isn't that bad. But for some reason it all sounds a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit unfinished to me. But if peeps want to call it minimal, so be it! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared, stop being ignorant. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:04 AM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, Footwork. The genre that sounds like some kid forgot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to add a snare to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental. Yay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> world! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Bohan < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> madvlad00@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of "Footwork"... is this a new genre of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The tracks you linked to sound interesting to say the least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Find it also curious that Jlin works at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much music prides itself on coming from Indiana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IDM list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> > > > -- > 22tape/jared dunne > listen <http://22tape.com> >