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As spotted by Matthieu Debliqui's moniker, today's music is full-on subjectivity. From then, why should one use MIDI CC such as velocity — which he, besides, does (to my ears at least) — or whatever soundsets if he won't want to ? Not that i like Jlin's stuff : i actually couldn't feel farther from most of this mailing-list prescriptions but — sorry for crawler-sounding — i generally try to (but unfortunately not always succeed) stick to the « *if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say,-don't-say-anything-at-all*»-saying. On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 196 lines my point is just that yes there are always going to be people better than

> my point is just that yes there are always going to be people better than > you > but that said, that just means you have to try even harder, or at least try > bach was so talented that he had to do things like that to probably even > challenge himself a little > but anyone can download a pdf and learn about how to make their > trap/footwork song better > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Fugue >> >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> http://www.akaipro.de/sites/default/files/downloads/MpcManual.1.3.pdf >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Problem is that you'll always encounter some more knowledgeable people >>>> than you are... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> disclaimer: don't get too pissed off, i am trolling to some degree >>>>> here :) >>>>> >>>>> just tried to listen to jlin's dark energy and gave up .... here are >>>>> some tips for footwork producers: >>>>> >>>>> 1. even your MPC has velocity control, that means that individual >>>>> hits/notes/etc can actually be at different volumes from one another >>>>> 2. the MPC can actually play samples at different pitches, in fact, >>>>> you can create what are called 'melodies' consisting of two or more notes >>>>> at different frequencies >>>>> 3. for many decades now, devices known as 'effects' have been made >>>>> available, many of which are built into your MPC -- for fun, trying >>>>> applying an 'effect' to one of the sounds in your 'song' -- the results can >>>>> be fascinating and are very popular in most every genre. >>>>> 4. drum sounds -- did you know? you can load different drum sounds >>>>> into your MPC. that's right, now, not every song has to use the same >>>>> hi-hat, snare, and bassdrum, on every single one of your albums, for your >>>>> entire career. >>>>> 5. did you know? you can change the parameters of sounds on the MPC, >>>>> using parameters like attack, decay, sustain and release, to alter your >>>>> sounds >>>>> 6. you can load more than 9 samples into your MPC. i know, it's >>>>> confusing, because there are only 9 buttons, but, my understanding is that >>>>> these buttons can actually be assigned to different sounds, and over the >>>>> course of several albums, you could use different sounds on EVERY ALBUM or >>>>> even every song >>>>> >>>>> i realize im not from the same background as people producing >>>>> footwork, but i am 100% confident that a manual is provided for the MPC >>>>> series >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:36 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Who are you and where are you from? If you were African-American and >>>>>> lived in Chicago, you might not like Footwork either, but I doubt you'd >>>>>> belittle the entire genre. You're allowed your opinion, but your reaction >>>>>> rubbed me the wrong way; you made it sound like the people making that >>>>>> music were getting away with something. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't live in Chicago but I go their a fair amount and know the >>>>>> music scene there fairly well; the one thing I know is that it's serious, >>>>>> and highly competitive. No one gets away with making mediocre music; any >>>>>> Footwork tracks you're likely to hear released on e.g. Planet Mu is not >>>>>> going to be half-assed. You may not like it, it may not speak to your >>>>>> condition, but to criticize it that way makes me think you're just hearing >>>>>> it, not listening to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> And you're under no obligation to like it or listen to it. There's >>>>>> too much music and life's too short to listen to things you don't enjoy. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare >>>>>>> to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole >>>>>>> musical culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no >>>>>>> understanding of the culture in which it grew up." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Careful, silly-pants Kent, you're walking the ignorant line >>>>>>> yourself, and sounding like an academic from the burbs who's just trying to >>>>>>> relate. You don't know me or where I'm from. If I'm from the same musical >>>>>>> culture and the same socio-economic background as most peeps who make >>>>>>> Footwork, am I still ignorant and shallow? Am I allowed to have an opinion >>>>>>> then? Good, because I am. And most Footwork sucks. And I don't have to >>>>>>> put "IMO" because I am the one saying it, and it's obviously my opinion. I >>>>>>> much prefer Bluegrass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, hugs all around! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Every genre defines conventions. Every genre, furthermore demands >>>>>>>> a different sort of listening if you're going to understand and enjoy it. >>>>>>>> To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare to his >>>>>>>> half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole musical >>>>>>>> culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no understanding >>>>>>>> of the culture in which it grew up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Juke/Footwork music is very much the product of kids with cracked >>>>>>>> copies of Fruity Loops; they work with the tools they have. The motivation >>>>>>>> was to make music whose purpose is to accompany footwork dancing, which is >>>>>>>> competetive, athletic and intense. The idea is to have the freshest, >>>>>>>> trickiest rhythm, often played back on shitty boomboxes or Frankenstein >>>>>>>> sound systems.. Footwork, like Jit in Detroit, is both dance and stylized >>>>>>>> warfare; it sublimates the violence and frustration of life in "Chiraq." >>>>>>>> It is something positive in an environment where people are confronted >>>>>>>> daily with unrelenting negative things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's a billion footwork tracks and thousands of people making >>>>>>>> it. Inevitably most of it is not very good, but like any other genre, when >>>>>>>> it's good it's great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's OK not to like musical styles. I bet you're not so hot on >>>>>>>> bluegrass music as well. But like my grandmother always told me about cream >>>>>>>> corn, "it's better to say you don't care for it than say you hate it." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kent, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why does Jared have to be ignorant to not like Footwork? It seems >>>>>>>>> like Jared just thinks this kind of music does not require much effort or >>>>>>>>> much of it is the same. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I listened to the compilation album "Bangs & Works Vol. 1" and >>>>>>>>> have found his sentiment to be true for most of the tracks on that release, >>>>>>>>> with some exceptions of course. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now Jlin's release here is much more experimental and fresh >>>>>>>>> sounding than the long tracks of TV show themes spread out over lazy beats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ignorant or silly? Either way, I can't help myself, Kent! >>>>>>>>>> Honestly, Jlin's stuff isn't that bad. But for some reason it all sounds a >>>>>>>>>> bit unfinished to me. But if peeps want to call it minimal, so be it! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jared, stop being ignorant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:04 AM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, Footwork. The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to >>>>>>>>>>>> add a snare to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental. Yay world! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Bohan < >>>>>>>>>>>> madvlad00@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of "Footwork"... is this a new genre of music >>>>>>>>>>>>> or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The tracks you linked to sound interesting to say the least. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Find it also curious that Jlin works at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much music prides itself on coming from Indiana >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IDM list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >