quoted 8 lines only problem is that all the people you have mentioned are just recycling
> only problem is that all the people you have mentioned are just recycling
> the undeground hiphop sound of 94-97, while adding a little more through the
> use of modern technology.
>
> i belive the proper subject for your message should be
> "pushing the limits of commercial hiphop"
>
> they are by no means pushing the limits of hiphop,
Personally, I think the production on mainstream stuff by people like Swizz Beats or
Timbaland or Cash Money, etc. is more inventive and interesting than any of the
Rawkus stuff I've heard. I guess all this recent underground stuff is better
lyrically than the mainstream stuff (even that is subjective), but the production is
really prosaic.
Andrei
quoted 83 lines there is much better and more experimental stuff out there....
> there is much better and more experimental stuff out there....
> try www.sandboxautomatic.com
>
> they have a wide selection, that should show you that those guys are really
> nothing more than underground people that got lucky enough to sellout.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Davison" <yoshi@enteract.com>
> To: "jre" <jre@libertysurf.fr>
> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [idm] More on Rap in IDM. . .
>
> >
> > good point. i guess i was just making the generalization that since i
> > like 'em they push the limit... but let me see if i cam rationalize that.
> >
> > the roots definitely push the limits of hip hop in their live act by using
> > REAL instruments (and rather well i might add) and their production is
> > pretty adventurous for commercial hip hop (they're on MCA, it's
> > commercial) ... i mean in comparison to fucking Puff Daddy or Dr. Dre they
> > are definitely pushing boundaries
> >
> > same thing with Mos Def/Black Star ... these two records use a lot of
> > sounds that traditional hip hoppers wouldn't be adventurous enough to try.
> > in general, a lot of hip hop is pretty conservative ... there's a formula
> > and they stick to it. my point is these records break the rules ... case
> > in point: B Boys will B Boys on Black Star uses old school breaks and
> > rhyming, which isn't really pushing the envelope in the sense that its
> > never been done before, but it is in the sense that it isn't done
> > *anymore* ... until now anyway
> >
> > the Mos Def song 'Umi Says' kinda has some drum-n-bass influence (well
> > really it feels like drum n bass because drum-n-bass goes for that jazzy
> > feel ... anyway i shut up now). basically it could be an out-take from a
> > Good Looking joint... which again isn't really pushing the limit of
> > anything but trad hip hop
> >
> > so uh now i justified myself. but i could still agree with the sentiment
> > that Mos Def/Black Star/Roots certainly aren't pushing the limits as much
> > as Co Flow and Krush
> >
> > josh
> >
> >
> > --
> > String Theory : Digital Music for Humans
> > http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 May 2000, jre wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > It's a pretty good selection of pretty good music. For once I'm not
> posting
> > > to disagree.
> > > But could you please tell me how The Roots, Mos Def and Black Star
> manage to
> > > push the limit ? I like what they do but can't see why they're
> considered
> > > inovators.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jr
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Josh Davison <yoshi@enteract.com>
> > > To: Michael Upton <jetjag@MailAndNews.com>
> > > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [idm] More on Rap in IDM. . .
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hip hop that pushes the limit:
> > > > (top five imho)
> > > >
> > > > 1. DJ Krush - Kakusei (Sony)
> > > > 2. Company Flow - Little Johnny from the Hospitul (Rawkus)
> > > > 3. The Roots - Things Fall Apart (MCA)
> > > > 4. Mos Def/Talib Kweli - Black Star (Rawkus)
> > > > 5. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (Rawkus)
> > > >
> > > > jsoh
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