gg2g4ink@sprynet.com writes:
quoted 1 line do you think 80% of the list would buy a release on a-musik, erzatz> do you think 80% of the list would buy a release on a-musik, erzatz
audio, mego or >rastermusic?
probably... with the right exposure.
hell, with your last post, you probably got a half dozen people running
to the store to pick up the latest rastermusic.
nice work, gil!
the problem is that if every post had mego, a-musik, etc. in the header,
you'd have to find some new, even more 'underground' labels to hype.
you say:
quoted 2 lines even in the small-potatoes rebellion of being into "IDM" (instead of>even in the small-potatoes rebellion of being into "IDM" (instead of
>just buying Bush and Spice Girls records like all our 'less clued-in'
fellow
quoted 1 line humans) there is a staggering amount of conformity.>humans) there is a staggering amount of conformity.
you are the perfect example of this. Except you just take it one step
further... you're into Soup Disk and Rastermusic (instead of just buying
the aphex and the autechre records like all the 'less clued in' IDMers
and the fellow human beings buying bush and spicegirls) eventually
you're just gonna run it into the ground. if i'm the first person on the
list to bring up karaoke kalk or Musik Aus Strom, now it's a regular
disscussion, does that make me more or less 'underground'?? should i swap
all my kk and Mas discs for rastermusic and soupdisk??what happens when
rastermusic gets popular??then where do i go?
the rest of the list is experiencing the same woes... "shit!! they're
playing 'come to daddy' on MTV, what if the spicebush kiddies find out
about 'our' scene, i better find something more underground quick, like
skam"
it never ends. If an artist/label/style is that good, it's just going to
get more exposure, causing the 'underground' kids to abandon it for
something more obscure, until that finds its way into the mainstream...
and the cycle continues.
quoted 4 lines Skam seem a little too eager to throw a>Skam seem a little too eager to throw a
>smokescreen in our faces - confusing the picture and distracting
>people from the label's lack of forward-thrust. this nonsense with
>mega-ultra-limited-editions and label identity games is VERY suspicious.
well, you do have to realize that they are business men. The limited
edition thing is a marketing technique:
(1)you press 500, your bound to sell out (2)the limited technique
generates much more interest and gets the people who do get it to urge
the others to search them out (3) it leads the buyer to believe that
future (and past) releases are also limited/hard to find, causing them to
purchase it on site. how many times have we seen a newbie post how
excited he is that he found the latest Cylob EP at tower... the joyrexes
are rare so this one has to be at least somewhat rare (4)four years later
they can repress them in massive amounts, add one or two new tracks, and
sell out all over again to the people who have been shelling dough for
the originals (see rephlex's brilliant repress of ab3!)
as for v/vm's limited releases, it appears to be just a financial issue.
quoted 2 lines look at Rephlex! i mean, Richard is conducting the most diabolical>look at Rephlex! i mean, Richard is conducting the most diabolical
>social experiment here and people are playing RIGHT INTO HIS HANDS! the
man
quoted 1 line is a genius - i have no doubt - if he can perpetrate crap like>is a genius - i have no doubt - if he can perpetrate crap like
Freakwincey and Sam
quoted 1 line & Valley and have people tear their brains to bits searching for words>& Valley and have people tear their brains to bits searching for words
about
quoted 1 line how Rephlex is putting out 'cutting-edge', 'challenging', 'brilli>how Rephlex is putting out 'cutting-edge', 'challenging', 'brilliant'
music. we
quoted 1 line always say that 'x' could publish his grocery list - or 'y' could>always say that 'x' could publish his grocery list - or 'y' could
record himself
quoted 2 lines farting and loop it infinitely - and the droves would buy it without a>farting and loop it infinitely - and the droves would buy it without a
>complaint. but nobody ever had the balls to prove it. well, Richard just
did! people
quoted 1 line wanted farts. here you go - bon apetit! and while you're gorging>wanted farts. here you go - bon apetit! and while you're gorging
yourselves
quoted 1 line on this shit - and that's what it is, shit - marvelling about how>on this shit - and that's what it is, shit - marvelling about how
delectable
quoted 1 line it is, know that you've just proven yourself to be a sad lot of mindless>it is, know that you've just proven yourself to be a sad lot of mindless
morons.
i don't know which idm list you're reading, but the general idea (with
the exception of maybe gonzi and robert merlak) around here is that the
recent rephlex output is shit. i think we're a little more 'intelligent'
than THAT ;-)
quoted 2 lines i feel that vvm have benifited a lot from the association with skam>>i feel that vvm have benifited a lot from the association with skam
>>and list members have utilised this as a sort of secular pecking order
to
quoted 1 line be seen as being 'down' with the next big thing first, to my ears vvm>>be seen as being 'down' with the next big thing first, to my ears vvm
havent
quoted 1 line really released shit that justifies the plaudits>>really released shit that justifies the plaudits
once again, it falls back onto a marketing issue, put a jega track on a
mego comp or get bola to remix noto, and see how many people will be
hailing farmers manual and rastermusic as 'the next big thing', why
didn't vvm001 sell out until recently, but vvm002 sold out instantly??
quoted 3 lines it would polarize the list, and 9/10 of those following>it would polarize the list, and 9/10 of those following
>my lead would go, "yeah - he's right. it's all crap." missing the point
>entirely - AGAIN!
then there is the one person who manages to understand you...
quoted 2 lines so few people think for themselves. that's the real tragedy of>so few people think for themselves. that's the real tragedy of
>the IDM fiasco.
this is where you're argument falls apart, not everybody is a journalist
and get promos from every homegrown, mom-n-pop label that starts up. the
majority of the list has to buy their records, and can't go blindly
though the store, picking up an a-musik disc cause it looks pertty. if
the rest of the list seems to be enjoying it, it must be worth picking
up.
quoted 1 line adieu, IDM-L. keep playing with merry little yourselves.>adieu, IDM-L. keep playing with merry little yourselves.
~~~happy new year~~~
thanks for the rant,
mult.