From: (Greg Eden)
Subject: Re: (idm) underground v mainstream
On Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:49:53 -0800, 4th World wrote:
quoted 5 lines 2. they are *white* , this is a race issue , why has the music of black
>>2. they are *white* , this is a race issue , why has the music of black
>> pioneers like carl craig , mike banks, derrick may , juan atkins been
>> ignored in the us for the last 10 years , miles davis had the same problem ,
>> as longs as it is watered down , reconstituted and sold with a white face
>> america will by itquoted 4 lines none of the above have ever made any pop music. so they are not
>none of the above have ever made any pop music. so they are not
>popular acts.
>the prodigy and the chemical brothers and even to some degree orbital
>make pop music. so they are popular acts.
the chemical brothers , orbital - pop music, get a grip
so any artist who gets into the charts could be designated as
pop music because they are *popular*, irrespective of their generic
style of music, what about all the early warp acts like LFO that got
in the charts - are they 'pop music'
From: Prymal <primal@interaccess.com>
On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, sm@4thWorld wrote:
quoted 5 lines 2. they are *white* , this is a race issue , why has the music of black
>> 2. they are *white* , this is a race issue , why has the music of black
>> pioneers like carl craig , mike banks, derrick may , juan atkins been
>> ignored in the us for the last 10 years , miles davis had the same problem ,
>> as longs as it is watered down , reconstituted and sold with a white face
>> america will by itquoted 3 lines oh maaaaaahn! get a clue!! the reason why craig, et al. were overlooked
>oh maaaaaahn! get a clue!! the reason why craig, et al. were overlooked
>was because the style of music was not popular at the time, not the color
>of their skin.
nah -, take the example of jazz , jazz only became popular in
america when it was performed by white artists , sold by white record
company's and written about by the white press, artists like chet baker
sold millions whilst miles davis & charlie parker were unknowns - sounds
familiar don't it?
this is in direct parallel with the 1990's , the creators and innovators
have been usurped and replaced by artists who once again bring an acceptable
face to once revolutionary musical movement, maybe you don't care about
the ethics involved, but in our minds it adds up to nothing less than mass
cultural explotation
Written by "James" <JSEO@us.oracle.com>
quoted 6 lines But Stuart, the American masses have recently had a massive love affair with
>But Stuart, the American masses have recently had a massive love affair with
>gangsta rap, which is clearly black music but have topped the charts many
>times over and generated a ton of press. Many people have put forth the idea
>that one of the reasons for gangsta rap's success is that suburban/city
>non-black youths can listen to it and feel 'dangerous', like they're living on
>the edge themselves.
yeah - but all gangsta rap has done has re-inforced the stereotypical image that
white middle class america has of black culture , a lot of rappers are now railing
againts 'gangsta rap', these guys are saying that the only way a black artist can
make it in america is to 'uncle tom it'........
some relevant quotes
"black people cant get the opportunity to be artists. They can get a chance to be
entertainers all they like , but they cant get the opportunity to be true artists.
Record companys want to take their chances with marketable people which happens to
be the people of their own gender,colour or race"
DERRICK MAY
"If me , Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson had been white , we would have been the
biggest thing since sliced bread"
JUAN ATKINS
"Derrick compares his situation to Goldies , pointing out that 'Timeless' was a perfect
beautiful record than failed to sell in the US because record companies, radio stations
and musical infrastructure still could not deal with a black man producing
non-recognisably black music"
QUOTED FROM MIXMAG DERRICK MAY INTERVIEW
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