quoted 11 lines Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM> Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM
> is defined strictly within the confines of the original Warp AI concept and
> discussion is limited to smoothed out, mellow techno of this variety, then,
> yes, IDM has perhaps lost innovation.
>
> If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff
> that is out there blowing my mind. Jungle crossovers, jazz crossovers,
> trip-hop (I hate that term), etc. There's the lounge fusion of Jimi Tenor
> and Jake S., jungle remixes of Mo' Wax, Mo' Wax Excursions, stuff like
> Jammin' Unit meets Chemical Dub, James Bong records, I could go on for
> hours.
Hmm, this discussion reminds me of the post I sent to the list a couple of
weeks ago :) It's true that the genre must be shifting and be in a
constant evolution to maintain its freshness and its being interesting for
a curious and restless (in the Postmodernist sense a la Virilio, Baudrillard
et al. ;) listener seeking for the new aural kicks... The advance of the IDM
list, IMHO, is and should be that we are able to inform each other on what's
happening _now_ - and, for me personally, what keeps me reading this list, to
be honest, are NOT the continuing conversations/gossips/flame wars on the new
AFX/Mu-Ziq/Orbital releases, since those people are _already_ established
artists and actually need no more hype from any of us, IMO, (and I'm _really_
into all those mentioned names, BTW, so no flame intended to anyone) BUT those
occasional pieces of information on the _new_ labels, artists, etc. we get
from time to time thanks to those enlightened individuals kind enough to
share them with us :) So just keep contributing, everyone.
And talking about the "tameness" and the alleged predictability of some
recent IDM releases, why don't you just check out the truly outrageous stuff,
like the Japanese "noise" artists in the style of Merzbow; the pioneering
electronic composers of the 50's and 60's like Karlheinz Stockhausen and the
musique concrete (tape-music) man Pierre Schaffer; the early industrial
experimentalists of the 70's and 80's like Boyd Rice, Throbbing Gristle and
Einsturzende Neubauten; the jazz madness of Sun Ra, Pharaoh Saunders and John
Zorn; etc. etc. etc. - the world is full of these weird sounds, so just to
quote the good old Pete Kuhlmann: EXPLORE! :)
To add my 0.023,
ERkki
Tampere, pHinland
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