quoted 5 lines there isn't really anything vital in idm, it's
> there isn't really anything vital in idm, it's
> mostly whatever you find
> that tickles your fancy. most of the 'classic'
> stuff that's talked
> about on this list doesn't do much for me.
I would probably say that I love most of the classic
stuff, and care very little for the 'CDR label thing
and the Autechre clones.
quoted 4 lines the most interesting music
> the most interesting music
> usually ends up being the stuff that gets talked
> about the least (but,
> yes, that _may_ just be me).
I agree. Most of the discussion is either covering
past works that I care not to read about anymore, and
stuff I don't care about now. There are some posts
that are interesting from time to time.
quoted 5 lines autechre's been copied so relentlessly they're
> autechre's been copied so relentlessly they're
> barely interesting
> anymore (especially since they've taken that
> 'chiastic' slide down the
> path of 'incomprehensibility as communication').
After buying a few Autechre-ish artists I quit buying
the copycats. I didn't want second rate immitators to
ruin the sound for me, which it almost had. I am still
looking forward to future work from them.
quoted 5 lines the only warp person
> the only warp person
> who's yet to be copied properly is aphex twin circa
> 'rdj album' (bogdan
> hasn't even come close) but he seems to have decided
> to take a long break (understandably)
There have been alot of RDJ copycats. The Marco
Passarani lp on Generator is so Aphex Twin influenced.
I know it's not "circa RDJ", but i wasn't focusing on
that time period. I think RDJ needs to take these
breaks because he is so full of shite most of the
time. He was spouting off like he sleeps 2-3 hours a
night and could release 100 lps a year. Yeah, well his
output hasn't been that impressive and the amount of
releases are pretty low. Not that I care anymore,
because his quality control is way low these days.
Alot of his older material is still very good!
quoted 3 lines & everyone has inexplicably lost interest in
> & everyone has inexplicably lost interest in
> drill n bass (perhaps after it was deemed too
> playful by members of this list?
Was that the reason "too playful"? I just thought it
got boring. "Playfulness" seems to be what alot of
people on this lists go for. I don't know how many
times someone has told me they bought something just
because it was fun and cute.
quoted 2 lines what else is there? oh, there's plenty of minimal
> what else is there? oh, there's plenty of minimal
> techno, but very few gems.
There are many gems from time to time, you just have
to dig through alot of stuff.
quoted 6 lines & of course, for most of it, 'minimal' is to
> & of course, for most of it, 'minimal' is to
> be understood as
> 'make the track as unchallenging as possible' rather
> than the more
> accurate 'exploit the possibilities with a minimum
> of means'.
Sure some of it is indeed alot like that. But there
are some releases that have a good groove or hook to
it. I have found alot of good minimal techno releases
over the years. Alot of minimal techno releases are
more dj tools, then tracks to sit at home and listen
to. Alot of those songs are great when layered with
other tracks. Of course, I am talking more minimal
techno, not minimalistic pieces.
quoted 13 lines of course why overlook the recent flurry of 'melodic
> of course why overlook the recent flurry of 'melodic
> idm' whose idea of
> melody is a rehash of the dreaded eighties (a
> sterile period in melodic
> terms if there's one.) they're fun for a while &
> easily disposable. of
> course many of them use either old electro beats
> (belch) or watered down
> autechronica & that's usually the best you can get.
> you won't want to
> have anything to do with those in a year, so i
> wouldn't consider those
> vital.
Melodic idm like old Black Dog, Carl Craig, Kirk
Degiorgio, Reload, etc is part of the good "classic"
idm. This stuff is great IMHO.
"Rehash of the dreaded eighties"...this kind of stuff
I hate. "Space Invaders are Smoking Grass" I think
was pretty good, but most everything else has done
very little. I love Kraftwerk, but 15 years after I
started listening to them I don't want to buy stuff
that still sounds like that. It's not innovative, nor
interesting anymore.
quoted 1 line what's left? very little.
> what's left? very little.
There's tech-house and drum n bass, both of which have
had some very good releases...especially drum n bass.
There was alot of quality trip hop releases in the
past for people to explore. Ninja Tune/Mo Wax/Pork...
The amount of releases for "trip hop" seems to have
slowed down quite a bit. Cinematic Orchestra is very
GOOD!
quoted 6 lines the bottom line being that idm is an extremely
> the bottom line being that idm is an extremely
> disposable genre. it
> doesn't mean it's bad or useless. just that you'll
> find yourself bored
> with it eventually. especially if it keeps going
> the way it does.
I wouldn't say it's extremely disposable...but when
alot of people jump on a bandwagon to copy an
artist...it certainly cheapens the sound. I personally
never buy strictly idm I have always bought a little
of everything. So I don't get burned out on things as
easily.
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