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2004-09-28 20:10John Counts [idm] Dead
├─ 2004-09-28 20:13Adam Piontek Re: [idm] Dead
├─ 2004-09-28 20:24Josh String Re: [idm] Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-28 21:47Josh Steiner Re: [idm] Dead
├─ 2004-09-28 20:39Re: [idm] Dead
└─ 2004-09-30 16:07Michael Scheer [idm] Re: Dead
2004-09-28 20:33cutups Re: [idm] Dead
├─ 2004-09-28 21:30Luis-Manuel Garcia Re: [idm] Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-28 21:55circuit bender Re: [idm] is Dead
│ ├─ 2004-09-28 22:05Luis-Manuel Garcia Re: [idm] is Dead
│ │ ├─ 2004-09-28 22:12circuit bender Re: [idm] is Dead
│ │ └─ 2004-09-28 22:44sokela Re: [idm] is Dead
│ │ └─ 2004-09-29 06:34Jonathan Ackerman Re: [idm] is Dead
│ │ └─ 2004-09-29 06:56THOUGHTBLUDGEON RE: [idm] is Dead
│ ├─ 2004-09-28 22:13Alan Lucas Re: [idm] is Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-28 22:13Josh Steiner Re: [idm] is Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-28 22:12Walkman RE: [idm] is Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-29 00:06Chispas De Muerte RE: [idm] is Dead
│ └─ 2004-09-29 08:52n3wjack Re: [idm] is Dead
└─ 2004-09-28 21:45Josh Steiner Re: [idm] Dead
└─ 2004-09-29 02:04nick knouf Re: [idm] Dead
├─ 2004-09-29 02:26Brodie Chree Re: [idm] Dead
└─ 2004-09-30 16:10Michael Scheer [idm] Re: Dead
└─ 2004-10-01 10:13turnstyle [idm] Re: Dead
└─ 2004-10-01 10:24sokela Re: [idm] Re: Dead
2004-09-28 20:36chthonic Re: [idm] Dead
2004-09-30 17:12seek Re: [idm] Re: Dead
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2004-09-28 20:10John CountsMan, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in 1999 when there was a "dead" thread
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Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes the cake lately. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-28 20:13Adam PiontekThat's fine, let them eat cake. John Counts wrote: > Man, the IDM list couldn't be more de
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That's fine, let them eat cake. John Counts wrote:
quoted 3 lines Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in > 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes > the cake lately.
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2004-09-28 20:24Josh StringJohn Counts wrote: >Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >1999 when ther
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John Counts wrote:
quoted 5 lines Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in>Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >the cake lately. > >
Yeah, but check it out... we're all over on the "Tricky Fans" listserv talking about trip-hop and drum-n-bass. IDM is so next year. Try to keep up. Now, who down with some BOYMERANG??? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-28 21:47Josh SteinerJosh String wrote: > John Counts wrote: > >> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I re
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Josh String wrote:
quoted 14 lines John Counts wrote:> John Counts wrote: > >> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >> the cake lately. >> >> > > Yeah, but check it out... we're all over on the "Tricky Fans" listserv > talking about trip-hop and drum-n-bass. IDM is so next year. > > Try to keep up. > > Now, who down with some BOYMERANG???
ahh shit... soul beat runna is da bomb, dillinja's got nuttin on my BOY. -- ________________________________________________________________________ interactive electronic music installation - http://xiphoidprocess.com/io live experimental electronic music - http://bluevitriol.com my drum'n'bass solo project - http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-28 20:39btallent@gmail.comThere have been some large threads lately, the Medulla/Radiohead thread comes to mind: htt
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There have been some large threads lately, the Medulla/Radiohead thread comes to mind: http://elists.resynthesize.com/idm/2004/09/562273/ On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:10:15 -0700 (PDT), John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 14 lines Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in > 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes > the cake lately. > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-30 16:07Michael ScheerJohn Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> wrote: > Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I
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John Counts <polycyclicism@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in > 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes > the cake lately.
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2004-09-28 20:33cutupsI think its because most mailing lists are dead. This is purely theory, but i think people
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I think its because most mailing lists are dead. This is purely theory, but i think people who are new to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as much or nearly at all because there are so many other avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive about the other things too. --- WRECKED diy electronic music & media http://wrecked-distro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Dead
quoted 13 lines That's fine, let them eat cake.> That's fine, let them eat cake. > > John Counts wrote: >> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >> the cake lately. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2004-09-28 21:30Luis-Manuel GarciaThat is so true. Now I feel geriatric. Luis np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for
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That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. Luis np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote:
quoted 34 lines I think its because most mailing lists are dead.> I think its because most mailing lists are dead. > > This is purely theory, but i think people who are new > to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as > much or nearly at all because there are so many other > avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, > livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. > > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > about the other things too. > --- > WRECKED diy electronic music & media > http://wrecked-distro.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" <adam@damek.org> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Dead > > >> That's fine, let them eat cake. >> John Counts wrote: >>> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>> the cake lately. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-09-28 21:55circuit bendermaybe idm is dead? the prog rock of electronic. too much software [geetar] wanking. not en
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maybe idm is dead? the prog rock of electronic. too much software [geetar] wanking. not enough feel. flame on. :P Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. Luis np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote:
quoted 34 lines I think its because most mailing lists are dead.> I think its because most mailing lists are dead. > > This is purely theory, but i think people who are new > to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as > much or nearly at all because there are so many other > avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, > livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. > > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > about the other things too. > --- > WRECKED diy electronic music & media > http://wrecked-distro.com > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Dead > > >> That's fine, let them eat cake. >> John Counts wrote: >>> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>> the cake lately. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2004-09-28 22:05Luis-Manuel GarciaWell, even that whole 'prog rock of electronica' critique is pretty 5 years ago. Does anyb
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Well, even that whole 'prog rock of electronica' critique is pretty 5 years ago. Does anybody have a count on how many times IDM has been declared dead? Admittedly, there is a lot of wanking, and it's not always the fun kind. Luis On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 04:55 PM, circuit bender wrote:
quoted 65 lines maybe idm is dead?> maybe idm is dead? > the prog rock of electronic. > too much software [geetar] wanking. > not enough feel. > flame on. :P > > Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: > That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. > > Luis > > np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote: > >> I think its because most mailing lists are dead. >> >> This is purely theory, but i think people who are new >> to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as >> much or nearly at all because there are so many other >> avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, >> livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. >> >> I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive >> about the other things too. >> --- >> WRECKED diy electronic music & media >> http://wrecked-distro.com >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [idm] Dead >> >> >>> That's fine, let them eat cake. >>> John Counts wrote: >>>> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>>> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>>> the cake lately. >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > "Politics is parlour tricks." > -W. Jean > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
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2004-09-28 22:12circuit benderAge doesn't necessarily make a form of music or song/track bad. Satchmo could take on most
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Age doesn't necessarily make a form of music or song/track bad. Satchmo could take on most contemporary 'idmers' with his hands tied. He knew feel. ;] prog rock took a few kicks to stay down too. lol. Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: Well, even that whole 'prog rock of electronica' critique is pretty 5 years ago. Does anybody have a count on how many times IDM has been declared dead? Admittedly, there is a lot of wanking, and it's not always the fun kind. Luis On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 04:55 PM, circuit bender wrote:
quoted 65 lines maybe idm is dead?> maybe idm is dead? > the prog rock of electronic. > too much software [geetar] wanking. > not enough feel. > flame on. :P > > Luis-Manuel Garcia wrote: > That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. > > Luis > > np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote: > >> I think its because most mailing lists are dead. >> >> This is purely theory, but i think people who are new >> to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as >> much or nearly at all because there are so many other >> avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, >> livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. >> >> I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive >> about the other things too. >> --- >> WRECKED diy electronic music & media >> http://wrecked-distro.com >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [idm] Dead >> >> >>> That's fine, let them eat cake. >>> John Counts wrote: >>>> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>>> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>>> the cake lately. >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > "Politics is parlour tricks." > -W. Jean > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
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2004-09-28 22:44sokelaHow could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like bad-ass-techno are in so
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How could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like bad-ass-techno are in some way still alive, although there are fewer people listening to it. And while idm never was a genre made for the masses one even could ask if it has been alive in the past. What makes a genre being alive at all? There are still plenty of idm-related releases in these days and at least we are listening to some of them. I don't think any kind of music could die, it just can develop into other kinds of music but that is just a matter of naming it... Sok --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-29 06:34Jonathan AckermanI agree partially with this Sok, IDM was a name for a "fledgling" genre before you had ver
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I agree partially with this Sok, IDM was a name for a "fledgling" genre before you had very much of anything to compare it to. I feel like the music genre "IDM" is kind of old and restricting and still somehow very nebulous. I know people that make music that to most would be called IDM, but when you mention the genre to them they balk. damn, I lost my train of thought Also as a newer member of the list, this whole mailing list thing to me was overwhelming and intimidating. I also post on some threaded message boards and found that to be vastly easier to understand and to get "right" most of the time. This is my first real post so pardon any mistake I may have made in format On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:44:39 +0200, sokela <alekos.bibudis@s1998.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote:
quoted 19 lines How could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like> How could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like > bad-ass-techno are in some way still alive, although there are fewer > people listening to it. And while idm never was a genre made for the > masses one even could ask if it has been alive in the past. > What makes a genre being alive at all? There are still plenty of > idm-related releases in these days and at least we are listening to some > of them. I don't think any kind of music could die, it just can develop > into other kinds of music but that is just a matter of naming it... > > Sok > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-29 06:56THOUGHTBLUDGEONI think the global issue is more along the lines of "...is IDM dead.. *for you* ?" --- htt
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I think the global issue is more along the lines of "...is IDM dead.. *for you* ?" --- http://www.edgey.net http://www.thoughtbludgeon.com 'intellect in rational movement tries to kill emotion, in doing so, only kills itself.' 'when you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.' AIM: SINIBYTE | ICQ: 126370648 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Ackerman [mailto:jonathan.ackerman@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:34 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] is Dead I agree partially with this Sok, IDM was a name for a "fledgling" genre before you had very much of anything to compare it to. I feel like the music genre "IDM" is kind of old and restricting and still somehow very nebulous. I know people that make music that to most would be called IDM, but when you mention the genre to them they balk. damn, I lost my train of thought Also as a newer member of the list, this whole mailing list thing to me was overwhelming and intimidating. I also post on some threaded message boards and found that to be vastly easier to understand and to get "right" most of the time. This is my first real post so pardon any mistake I may have made in format On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:44:39 +0200, sokela <alekos.bibudis@s1998.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote:
quoted 19 lines How could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like> How could any kind of music be 'dead'? Even gabba and things like > bad-ass-techno are in some way still alive, although there are fewer > people listening to it. And while idm never was a genre made for the > masses one even could ask if it has been alive in the past. > What makes a genre being alive at all? There are still plenty of > idm-related releases in these days and at least we are listening to some > of them. I don't think any kind of music could die, it just can develop > into other kinds of music but that is just a matter of naming it... > > Sok > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-28 22:13Alan LucasSee, I'm more inclined to agree with this sort of thing. At the very least, the stuff that
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See, I'm more inclined to agree with this sort of thing. At the very least, the stuff that's coming out is either just not interesting enough to get some huge conversation going about it, or people are just too lazy to talk about what they think is pretty hot shit. I mean, there really is very little actual discussion about music on this list. There's talk about who's playing live when, and about new tracks that whoever has put up for other people to listen to, but apart from that, there isn't a whole lot going on. I'm sure a lot of this is just because there's so much stuff coming out. Back in the day, it was like hey, new Aphex is coming out next month, let's talk about that for at least a month beforehand, and at least a month after it comes out. Then, let's get ready for the new Autechre that's due out, and the new Squarepusher that will be out a few months after that. Oh, and all three were on Warp. And that was okay. Now, there's just a gazillion things coming out every week. And it's hard to get a group of people who really agree on whether something is really awesome or it sucks. A bunch of people like it, some people hate it, and that's all there is to be said about it. For the most part. I'm maybe generalizing here. Just killing some time before my 6:30 meeting. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:55:25 -0700 (PDT), circuit bender <circuit_bender@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 63 lines maybe idm is dead?> maybe idm is dead? > the prog rock of electronic. > too much software [geetar] wanking. > not enough feel. > flame on. :P > > Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: > That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. > > Luis > > np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] > > On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote: > > > I think its because most mailing lists are dead. > > > > This is purely theory, but i think people who are new > > to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as > > much or nearly at all because there are so many other > > avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, > > livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. > > > > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > > about the other things too. > > --- > > WRECKED diy electronic music & media > > http://wrecked-distro.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] Dead > > > > > >> That's fine, let them eat cake. > >> John Counts wrote: > >>> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in > >>> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes > >>> the cake lately. > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Politics is parlour tricks." > -W. Jean > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
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2004-09-28 22:13Josh Steinergo listen to helios - unioma, idm lives. circuit bender wrote: >maybe idm is dead? >the pr
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go listen to helios - unioma, idm lives. circuit bender wrote:
quoted 76 lines maybe idm is dead?>maybe idm is dead? >the prog rock of electronic. >too much software [geetar] wanking. >not enough feel. >flame on. :P > >Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. > >Luis > >np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] > >On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote: > > > >>I think its because most mailing lists are dead. >> >>This is purely theory, but i think people who are new >>to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as >>much or nearly at all because there are so many other >>avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, >>livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. >> >>I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive >>about the other things too. >>--- >>WRECKED diy electronic music & media >>http://wrecked-distro.com >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM >>Subject: Re: [idm] Dead >> >> >> >> >>>That's fine, let them eat cake. >>>John Counts wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>>>1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>>>the cake lately. >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"Politics is parlour tricks." >-W. Jean > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >
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2004-09-28 22:12WalkmanI'd add proem - liveMD[cd?] as an example of that, too Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Origin
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I'd add proem - liveMD[cd?] as an example of that, too Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Original Message----- From: Josh Steiner [mailto:josh@vitriolix.com] Sent: 2004 m. rugsėjo 29 d. 01:14 To: circuit bender Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] is Dead go listen to helios - unioma, idm lives. circuit bender wrote:
quoted 76 lines maybe idm is dead?>maybe idm is dead? >the prog rock of electronic. >too much software [geetar] wanking. >not enough feel. >flame on. :P > >Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu> wrote: >That is so true. Now I feel geriatric. > >Luis > >np: Basiani (Georgian) Ensemble. Top THAT for obscurity! =] > >On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 03:33 PM, cutups wrote: > > > >>I think its because most mailing lists are dead. >> >>This is purely theory, but i think people who are new >>to the internet don't sign up to discussion email lists as >>much or nearly at all because there are so many other >>avenues to gain information or communicate - chat, message boards, >>livejournal/blogs, slsk etc. >> >>I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive >>about the other things too. >>--- >>WRECKED diy electronic music & media >>http://wrecked-distro.com >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Piontek" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:13 PM >>Subject: Re: [idm] Dead >> >> >> >> >>>That's fine, let them eat cake. >>>John Counts wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >>>>1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >>>>the cake lately. >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"Politics is parlour tricks." >-W. Jean > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >
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2004-09-29 00:06Chispas De MuerteI dunno I'm glad to not be barraged with houndreds of emails a day of some two people argu
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I dunno I'm glad to not be barraged with houndreds of emails a day of some two people arguing something, it's cool this list is mostly music and event postings. Speaking of cool music I like this two lone swordsman throbbing gristle remix. And the Chris Clark "Ceramics is the Bomb" ep i got recently. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-29 08:52n3wjackIs that from the Twisted Individual track btw? Ha, drum'n'bass, how many times hasn't that
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Is that from the Twisted Individual track btw? Ha, drum'n'bass, how many times hasn't that been declared dead as well... but it's still kicking and screaming though :) On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT), Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 20 lines I dunno I'm glad to not be barraged with houndreds of> I dunno I'm glad to not be barraged with houndreds of > emails a day of some two people arguing something, > it's cool this list is mostly music and event > postings. Speaking of cool music I like this two lone > swordsman throbbing gristle remix. And the Chris Clark > "Ceramics is the Bomb" ep i got recently. > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-28 21:45Josh Steinercutups wrote: > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > about the oth
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cutups wrote:
quoted 2 lines I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive> I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > about the other things too.
yeah, nothing i like more than sifting through about 900 gigantic animated "funny" sig images to read the one liners and "lol ;) ;)" posts that clog most threaded message boards. -josh grump, old, proud. -- ________________________________________________________________________ interactive electronic music installation - http://xiphoidprocess.com/io live experimental electronic music - http://bluevitriol.com my drum'n'bass solo project - http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-29 02:04nick knoufThey'll have to pry the mailing lists from my dead body before I start posting to those st
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They'll have to pry the mailing lists from my dead body before I start posting to those stupid message boards. You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren't supposed to be more than 4 lines long? Well, going through the message boards like Josh is describing makes me feel like I'm looking at a message with a 60 line long sig. (and don't even get me started on those corporate e-mails with disclaimers 3-4 times as long as the original e-mail) whew! that's off-topic enough for me tonight... nick On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:45:56 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote:
quoted 29 lines cutups wrote:> > cutups wrote: > > > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > > about the other things too. > > > yeah, nothing i like more than sifting through about 900 gigantic > animated "funny" sig images to read the one liners and "lol ;) ;)" > posts that clog most threaded message boards. > > -josh > > grump, old, proud. > > -- > ________________________________________________________________________ > interactive electronic music installation - http://xiphoidprocess.com/io > live experimental electronic music - http://bluevitriol.com > my drum'n'bass solo project - http://vitriolix.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-29 02:26Brodie ChreeForums are lame. The whole concept is great for, say, technical support but socially speak
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Forums are lame. The whole concept is great for, say, technical support but socially speaking they're just inept. Broken even. I would predict that with Google getting behind traditional internet technologies and the whole semantic web thing a sort of renaissence. Where everyone can use email, blogs, weblogs and IM to communicate seemlessly between internet medium via RSS. With a lot of meta-information about content annoyances like .sigs, spam and even newbs can be filtered out automatically and conveniently. I'm sometimes really suprised how much technology oriented music tends to avoid new communication technologies to promote itself. With weblogs, trackback pings and RSS the function of this very mailing list could be emulated without a central source. With advantages like richer media content as well. I've had too much coffee this evening. -Brodie C On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:04:12 -0400, nick knouf <nknouf@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 56 lines They'll have to pry the mailing lists from my dead body before I start> They'll have to pry the mailing lists from my dead body before I start > posting to those stupid message boards. > > You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren't supposed to be > more than 4 lines long? Well, going through the message boards like > Josh is describing makes me feel like I'm looking at a message with a > 60 line long sig. > > (and don't even get me started on those corporate e-mails with > disclaimers 3-4 times as long as the original e-mail) > > whew! that's off-topic enough for me tonight... > > nick > > > > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:45:56 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com > wrote: > > > > cutups wrote: > > > > > I kind of like email lists, but i can see whats attractive > > > about the other things too. > > > > > > yeah, nothing i like more than sifting through about 900 gigantic > > animated "funny" sig images to read the one liners and "lol ;) ;)" > > posts that clog most threaded message boards. > > > > -josh > > > > grump, old, proud. > > > > -- > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > interactive electronic music installation - http://xiphoidprocess.com/io > > live experimental electronic music - http://bluevitriol.com > > my drum'n'bass solo project - http://vitriolix.com > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2004-09-30 16:10Michael Scheernick knouf <nknouf@gmail.com> wrote: > You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren'
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quoted 2 lines You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren't supposed to be> You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren't supposed to be > more than 4 lines long?
you want to visit good ole de. usenet. All in all it still works. It'll work further 1000 years ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-01 10:13turnstylehmm, no where . near dead .. I feel like this is a little secret corner of the net . where
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hmm, no where . near dead .. I feel like this is a little secret corner of the net . where real stories get told. I don't post a lot to the list . if at all . but I have gleaned heaps of interesting information and ideas . that lead me in wild paths of discovery across the net .. I don't do message boards . cause I love my mail . the little ping telling me somewhere in the world people are talking to each other . about stuff I am interested in . I can't go any where and find conversation like this .. and even if I did meet half of you in a cafe ' i'm sure you would feel weird if I sat next to you saying nothing . with a smile on my face .. // IDM is such a strange world with few boarders .. its unfamiliar country and I need all the help I can get to navigate my way into the sounds and ideas perhaps its a feeling that while everything else gets larger .and louder IDM stays as it is .. curious and un-observed by the massive // this is a wonderful feeling for me, in a world that is trying to convince me that I am wrong .simon -- ......... ............. ......................................... . . . ... .. .............. // \\ gain more interest http://www.obscure.co.nz // \\ ................. . . ..................................... ... . . . ................................. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-10-01 10:24sokelaMan this is like the most poetic thing I've ever read on this list. Thanx Sok turnstyle sc
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Man this is like the most poetic thing I've ever read on this list. Thanx Sok turnstyle schrieb:
quoted 40 lines hmm, no where . near dead ..> > > hmm, no where . near dead .. > > I feel like this is a little secret corner of the net . where real > stories get told. > > I don't post a lot to the list . if at all . but I have gleaned > heaps of interesting > information and ideas . that lead me in wild paths of discovery > across the > net .. > > I don't do message boards . cause I love my mail . the little ping > telling me > somewhere in the world people are talking to each other . about > stuff I am > interested in . > > I can't go any where and find conversation like this .. > > and even if I did meet half of you in a cafe ' i'm sure you would > feel weird > if I sat next to you saying nothing . with a smile on my face .. > > // > > IDM is such a strange world with few boarders .. its unfamiliar > country and > I need all the help I can get to navigate my way into the sounds > and ideas > > perhaps its a feeling that while everything else gets larger .and > louder IDM > stays as it is .. curious and un-observed by the massive // this is > a wonderful > feeling for me, in a world that is trying to convince me that I am > wrong > > .simon
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2004-09-28 20:36chthonic>John Counts wrote: >> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >> 1999 when
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quoted 4 lines John Counts wrote:>John Counts wrote: >> Man, the IDM list couldn't be more dead. I remember in >> 1999 when there was a "dead" thread. But, this takes >> the cake lately.
i think the last really big thread i remember was the "warp fell off" free-for-all a few months ago. perhaps that perception has something to do with it? if warp is considered the birthplace and bastion of IDM, and the IDM list (as i learned a few months back), and their activity has been, shall we say, less than stellar, might that not affect the list traffic? there seems to have been some lack of activity/rumors of closing down about mille plateaux as well (although they seem to be reactivating soon). years ago i used to belong to a list discussing world serpent-related artists (WSD-L). when 5 or 6 of their major artists left, the list erupted into a fury of posts and then died down into nothingness. i was still subscribed but stopped getting posts. world serpent itself eventually closed, this past august. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 17:12seek----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Scheer" > nick knouf wrote: > > You remember t
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quoted 3 lines nick knouf wrote:> nick knouf wrote: > > You remember that old netiquette where .sigs weren't supposed to be > > more than 4 lines long?
quoted 2 lines you want to visit good ole de. usenet. All in all it still works.> you want to visit good ole de. usenet. All in all it still works. > It'll work further 1000 years ;-)
Yeah, but in the meantime, you, me and six other people are the only ones that post to the music n.g.s these days. seek np: Matmos - Work, Work, Work for Free --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-09-30 18:11Michael Scheer"seek" <eclectics@comcast.net> wrote: > Yeah, but in the meantime, you, me and six other p
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"seek" <eclectics@comcast.net> wrote:
quoted 2 lines Yeah, but in the meantime, you, me and six other people> Yeah, but in the meantime, you, me and six other people > are the only ones that post to the music n.g.s these days.
But not very often. Top poster seems to be the "malade retardeum playlist" guy... ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org