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2003-08-29 14:25visa [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
├─ 2003-08-29 14:46David Whewell Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
│ └─ 2003-08-29 15:22[idm] Cds / Vinyl
│ └─ 2003-08-29 15:56svin Re: [idm] Cds / Vinyl
├─ 2003-08-29 15:13EggyToast Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
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2003-08-29 18:55Rich Warchild Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
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2003-09-02 21:49visa Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
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2003-08-29 14:25visaI've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit unsure of the mo
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I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.) turntables + laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with cd's. Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem with the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should gather shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there would be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to be convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common option, turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a cute format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close to the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality ratio? thanks .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 14:46David Whewellif you're concerned whether "cd djs" are taken seriously or not, you need to find a less e
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if you're concerned whether "cd djs" are taken seriously or not, you need to find a less elitist clique before you start spinning. ;) though i'd go for a pair of cdj-1000s to dj with, which allows you to manipulate CDs like vinyl. the earlier mdoels weren't so hot, but these ones are really good at it. aside from that, i wouldnt advise going for the vinyl solution unless you somehow acquire a large amount of vinyl, or buy a pressing plant ;) final scratch might be an option but i suggest you give it a test drive before you commit to it as you may find it a little quirky. david At 17:25 29/08/2003 +0300, visa wrote:
quoted 40 lines I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit>I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit >unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. > >The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.) turntables >+ laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with cd's. > >Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem with >the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should gather >shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's >something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). >Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there would >be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to be >convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I >already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I >could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a >CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? > >So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common option, >turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner >or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a cute >format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to >include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. > >What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close to >the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is >obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or >invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have >to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality ratio? > > > thanks > > .: visa tapani > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-08-29 15:22lists@activaire.comThe CD is a good format for certain purposes. The way we look at it is that if the release
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The CD is a good format for certain purposes. The way we look at it is that if the release is purely for listening pleasure then it's fine on cd (even though it is true that vinyl sounds better). If the release is dj worthy then it should absolutely be on vinyl. We prefer putting out or stuff on vinyl because it really helps to limit the piracy, Brooklyn Keeps on Takin' it showed up on newsgroups within 2 days after only being sold at our show at electrowerks, I think we sold about 10 - 15 copies at that show. As you can imagine, it's really disturbing to see your release floating around for free after only selling 15 copies of it and having 985 left. As far as I know the Sky Tucker 12" has never surfaced on a server because unlike the hayday people now spend less time ripping vinyl. I've ripped vinyl in the past so that I can listen to stuff on my mp3 player but it was a total pain in the ass and took a lot of time. I'm really surprised that more releases aren't on vinyl, it really protects the time and money you put into the release and definitely sounds better. Obviously you stand to make more money from putting out cds because everyone owns a cd player but the risk of having it tossed around for free just doesn't seem to make it worth it most of the time. I definitely support anyone's choice to buy a turntable, I think it goes hand in hand with supporting music in general. Also, once you get into buying vinyl you'll find that a whole new world of records and styles are available to you because there are a lot of vinyl only labels out there. Adesh The Record Camp Label http://www.recordcamp.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 15:56svini can not imagine in anyway where i would store thousands of vinyl plates when i actually
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i can not imagine in anyway where i would store thousands of vinyl plates when i actually had a turntable and several hundreds of plates it was already a disaster each hundred of them takes a space of a winebox or so with all the new music released lately , it would require a separate room 12by 12by 12 feet filled with vinyl racks and it will only be good for 1or 2 years of newe releases with the mp3 files - i can store 5-10 hours of muic on a cd or maybe i can even get a 180G USB hard drive that will hold 2-4 thousand hours of music. besides you can not listen to vinyl in the car, on the go and at a friend's place its time to change media and pricing structure maybe music production will become totally non-comercial hobby earning zero money i guess it is for the best __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 15:13EggyToastvisa said: > I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a > bit u
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visa said:
quoted 3 lines I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a> I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a > bit unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my > ambitions.
Probably the biggest advantage to vinyl over CD in the DJ medium is the ability to jump amazingly quickly around the record, which makes splicing and chopping and looping MUCh easier (with practice, of course). But you need to put tape on the vinyl and pick up the needle -- something you can't do with CDs or MP3s. It's also more difficult to cue up CDs quickly, since it has to be fed into the player and spun up, vs. just slapped on an already-spinning plate and you're good to go (again, thanks to dj tape on the vinyl already). So it really depends on what you want to do. Do you want to go all kid koala or qbert? Or are you happy just playing tracks back with speed control and a little scratching? You have more options available for *how* you wish to DJ with vinyl. -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 15:40lists@activaire.comMy one warning about djing, specifically djing idm is that currently there aren't a whole
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My one warning about djing, specifically djing idm is that currently there aren't a whole lot of idm records (new ones at least) that are worth djing, by this I mean records that you can play to a group of people that you know they'd like or be able to get into. Also there aren't a whole lot of people who care about this sort of thing anymore. I've watched the numbers drop insanely here in nyc. You used to be able to drop keynell or something like that in a set and get a cheer but now people start to lose interest. One could say fuck it and just play it anyway, we do that, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. A good mixture of records makes a big deal these days. The days of the dj rolling in with a bag consisting only of warp, rephlex, skam and mas are long gone. On a much less negative note :-) there are a lot of labels of the idm ilk that are releasing great records that really work when you play them out. Ghostly, Merck, B Pitch, Us (hehe), Area info, Seed, and of course the main stays like warp, rephlex and skam. Warp is gearing up to release a new series of dancefloor oriented 12"s that I'm really excited about. The latest lfo and viberts are excellent as well. If you don't have a vinyl collection already, you shouldn't let that stop you, anyone here who collects vinyl will tell you that the pleasure of tracking down rare records is amazing. Just a few weeks ago I found Sun Electric's Present album for $5, I've been looking for that one for years, joy! 2cent, Adesh The Record Camp Label http://www.recordcamp.com -----Original Message----- From: visa [mailto:v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:26 AM To: hyperreal idm Subject: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.) turntables + laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with + cd's. Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem with the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should gather shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there would be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to be convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common option, turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a cute format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close to the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality ratio? thanks .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 15:41seeklektekFrom: "EggyToast" > It's also more difficult to cue up CDs quickly, since it has to be fed
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quoted 3 lines It's also more difficult to cue up CDs quickly, since it has to be fed into> It's also more difficult to cue up CDs quickly, since it has to be fed into > the player and spun up, vs. just slapped on an already-spinning plate and > you're good to go (again, thanks to dj tape on the vinyl already).
It isn't more "difficult" to cue up nor to spin cds. It's all about ~timing~, just like with 'tables and vinyl. Know your equiptment; know your discs/records/whatever-media. And develop your sense of timing. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 18:54cutupsIf you're not interested in collecting vinyl in and of itself, i'd definitely recommend go
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If you're not interested in collecting vinyl in and of itself, i'd definitely recommend going some digital route. Although i love vinyl personally, and actually sell it (plug!) i think there's alot more to be done within the realm of *DJING* or something that hybridizes remixing, writing trax and djing with a digital format. I think a laptop + some interface would be the best if you're just starting now. The finalscratch route is good, but if you're not already a dj, there's additional costs and overhead there. I'd say go for traktor, but having a good interface (midi or whatever) would be ideal. I'm not sure what that is yet. One last word of advice though: buy the music you'll be djing. - cutups ----- Original Message ----- From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> To: "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
quoted 4 lines I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit> I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit > unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. > > The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.)
turntables
quoted 4 lines + laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with cd's.> + laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with cd's. > > Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem with > the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should
gather
quoted 16 lines shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's> shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's > something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). > Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there would > be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to be > convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I > already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I > could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a > CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? > > So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common option, > turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner > or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a cute > format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to > include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. > > What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close
to
quoted 19 lines the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is> the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is > obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or > invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have > to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality ratio? > > > thanks > > .: visa tapani > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2003-08-29 19:00dave_dunstanI like TTs because it lets you throw down IDM at your friends DJ bar where they almost alw
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I like TTs because it lets you throw down IDM at your friends DJ bar where they almost always play house!! Take that, house music! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-08-29 18:55Rich WarchildWhy not combine the two? Get a cheap 3 channel mixer, 1 turn table and 1 CD player.... See
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Why not combine the two? Get a cheap 3 channel mixer, 1 turn table and 1 CD player.... See what you like more. if you like CD more pick up a 2nd CD player, you like vinyl more grab a 2nd turntable. This way you'll have the option of using all forms of media. I'm like Geoff, i love vinyl and thats all i'll spin, but it does limit me on alot of things. Luckily i spin Hardcore/Gabber more then anything else and all i can find is that on vinyl but when it comes to IDM i'm limited. Rich Warchild 781-856-3804 AIM: The DJ Warchild ICQ: 2021032 Affiliations Warchild (http://www.djwarchild.com) Ruffneck Playaz Crew (http://www.ruffneckplayazcrew.com) Airplane Clique (http://www.airplaneclique.da.ru) ----- Original Message ----- From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> To: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi>; "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing
quoted 9 lines If you're not interested in collecting vinyl in and of itself,> If you're not interested in collecting vinyl in and of itself, > i'd definitely recommend going some digital route. > > Although i love vinyl personally, and actually sell it (plug!) > i think there's alot more to be done within the realm of *DJING* > or something that hybridizes remixing, writing trax and djing > with a digital format. > > I think a laptop + some interface would be the best if you're just
starting
quoted 20 lines now.> now. > The finalscratch route is good, but if you're not already a dj, there's > additional > costs and overhead there. I'd say go for traktor, but having a good > interface > (midi or whatever) would be ideal. I'm not sure what that is yet. > > One last word of advice though: buy the music you'll be djing. > > - cutups > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> > To: "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:25 AM > Subject: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing > > > > I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a
bit
quoted 5 lines unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions.> > unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. > > > > The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.) > turntables > > + laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with
cd's.
quoted 2 lines Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem> > > > Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem
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quoted 5 lines the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should> > the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should > gather > > shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's > > something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). > > Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there
would
quoted 1 line be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to> > be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to
be
quoted 6 lines convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I> > convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I > > already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I > > could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a > > CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? > > > > So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common
option,
quoted 2 lines turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner> > turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner > > or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a
cute
quoted 9 lines format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to> > format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to > > include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. > > > > What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close > to > > the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is > > obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or > > invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have > > to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality
ratio?
quoted 23 lines thanks> > > > > > thanks > > > > .: visa tapani > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-08-29 19:05sr_ thinkboxGet Technics 1200's MD3. If Final Scratch was out when I got into DJing that would've been
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Get Technics 1200's MD3. If Final Scratch was out when I got into DJing that would've been my choice. Since you can turn all of your cds into mp3s and play them with turntables - you can't beat it to build up a collection of playable material. The money you spend on Final Scratch you'll save by not buying so many records. Records are an addicting and expensive habit. If you're making money DJing then it doesn't seem so expensive but the 1st few years of DJing include a lot of time and frustration learning and practicing beatmatching and mixing (which seems easy by concept but is pretty tricky). However, you can't beat the sound of records for DJing - thick, thick, thick. my opinion - good luck. steve roy thinkbox
quoted 48 lines From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi>>From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> >To: "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:25:55 +0300 > >I've been considering getting into DJ:ing for some time now, but am a bit >unsure of the most appropriate vessel for materializing my ambitions. > >The choices seem to go as follows: 1.) turntables with vinyl, 2.) >turntables >+ laptop + final scratch, 3.) laptop with traktor or 4.) DJ:ing with cd's. > >Currently I don't have any vinyl records, which seems to be a problem with >the first option, since before I could really start spinning I should >gather >shitloads of records. At present I don't own a laptop either, but that's >something I'm going to get sooner or later (since I'm a tight producer). >Options 2 and 3 would solve the source material problem, since there would >be a practically endless supply to chooce from. Using CDs would seem to be >convenient, since I am constantly purchasing more and more of them and I >already have a reasonably large selection to choose from. Furthermore, I >could always burn stuff on cd with my rewritable. But does anyone take a >CD-DJ seriously? Any other issues I should take into consideration? > >So, which of the above options would you suggest? The most common option, >turntables + vinyl, would seem to be a good choice since sooner >or later I would have to get a vinyl player anyway as vinyl is such a cute >format. Furthermore, it could be later expanded with final scratch to >include the material I wouldn't have as vinyl. > >What turntables would you then recommend? (I realise this is quite close to >the thread 'Should I buy a Turntable for IDM?', but here the emphasis is >obviously more on DJing.) Should I start with something really cheap or >invest straight away in some quality gear, which probably wouldn't have >to be upgraded in a long time? What devices have good price/quality ratio? > > > thanks > > .: visa tapani > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-09-02 21:49visaThanks for all the tips. I think I'll start with the laptop + traktor solution - since I'm
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Thanks for all the tips. I think I'll start with the laptop + traktor solution - since I'm eventually going to get a laptop anyway, it seems to be the easiest and cheapest way to get into the fun. Moreover, it can later be expanded with final scratch and turntables to include vinyl. I'm probably going to buy a cheap, used vinyl player for all my vinyl needs until I get some real equipment later in life. Then if I eventually decide to go all turntable, I might already have a few pieces of vinyl to start with. I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the knowledge learned with Traktor to vinyl-spinning? I mean if I get all badass with Traktor, can I transport all my badassery to actual turntable-DJing, or do I have to start learning from zero? Second, when buying a used vinyl player, what things should I look especially carefully? Any companies that have made quality products for all of the last 60 or so years? tanks. .: visa tapani --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-09-02 22:02M Mercer>From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> >To: "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: R
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quoted 25 lines From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi>>From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> >To: "hyperreal idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] getting started with DJ:ing >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 00:49:16 +0300 > >Thanks for all the tips. > >I think I'll start with the laptop + traktor solution - since I'm >eventually >going to get a laptop anyway, it seems to be the easiest and cheapest way >to >get into the fun. Moreover, it can later be expanded with final scratch and >turntables to include vinyl. > >I'm probably going to buy a cheap, used vinyl player for all my vinyl needs >until I get some real equipment later in life. Then if I eventually decide >to go all turntable, I might already have a few pieces of vinyl to start >with. > >I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the >knowledge learned with Traktor to vinyl-spinning? I mean if I get all >badass >with Traktor, can I transport all my badassery to actual turntable-DJing, >or >do I have to start learning from zero?
Traktor is prob not the best for DJing anything outside of 4/floor beats. It tends to get confused even on more heavily syncopated techhouse tracks because it can't read the waveform enough to interpret the BPM correctly. IDM beats (like venetian snares, aphex twin, etc) will totally confuse it. That said, it's still a ton better than any other mp3 DJ tool I've seen. However, it's not really comparable to using turntables or CD players at all.... since it's more or less figuring out the BPM for you. Ultimately turntables would be much more flexible because you're manually adjusting the start point, speed, etc -- and can mix a much wider variety of music together vs. the somewhat limited palette that Traktor will reliably beat-match...
quoted 3 lines Second, when buying a used vinyl>Second, when buying a used vinyl >player, what things should I look especially carefully? Any companies that >have made quality products for all of the last 60 or so years?
From what I can tell it's really important that the motor work properly (consistent/correct speed etc) and that the tonearm be in good shape. You should also look for a direct-drive turntable and not a belt-driven one... m.mercer :: design + sound design :: http://www.matthewmercer.com/ sound :: http://www.mattmercer.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-09-02 22:03Garrett McGrath> I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the > knowledge learn
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quoted 2 lines I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the> I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the > knowledge learned with Traktor to vinyl-spinning? I mean if I get all
badass
quoted 1 line with Traktor, can I transport all my badassery to actual turntable-DJing,> with Traktor, can I transport all my badassery to actual turntable-DJing,
or
quoted 1 line do I have to start learning from zero?> do I have to start learning from zero?
especially because traktor can be used with a hardware dj mixer if you choose, traktor will 'teach' you many aspects of djing. you'll learn phrasing, programming, eq/efx/sample work, some tricks, etc.. but the one thing that traktor will not teach you is the single greatest key to mixing on turntables (also the single most difficult thing): beat matching. traktor does this automatically whereas with real decks you have to figure it out yourself, usually after many many frustrating trainwrecked hours of sounding like utter crap. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-09-02 22:07Garrett McGrath> >I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the > >knowledge lea
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quoted 8 lines I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the> >I still have a few questions, tho. First of all, how applicable is the > >knowledge learned with Traktor to vinyl-spinning? I mean if I get all > >badass > >with Traktor, can I transport all my badassery to actual turntable-DJing, > >or > >do I have to start learning from zero? > > Traktor is prob not the best for DJing anything outside of 4/floor beats.
It
quoted 7 lines tends to get confused even on more heavily syncopated techhouse tracks> tends to get confused even on more heavily syncopated techhouse tracks > because it can't read the waveform enough to interpret the BPM correctly. > IDM beats (like venetian snares, aphex twin, etc) will totally confuse it. > That said, it's still a ton better than any other mp3 DJ tool I've seen. > However, it's not really comparable to using turntables or CD players at > all.... since it's more or less figuring out the BPM for you. Ultimately > turntables would be much more flexible because you're manually adjusting
the
quoted 3 lines start point, speed, etc -- and can mix a much wider variety of music> start point, speed, etc -- and can mix a much wider variety of music > together vs. the somewhat limited palette that Traktor will reliably > beat-match...
also very true. you can get traktor to work reliably with non 4/4 stuff, but it requires individually processing each waveform, setting beat markers, blah blah. your ears are a much better tool for non 4/4 material. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-09-04 12:50spwah c'mon mixing records isn't that hard. Traktor looks like cool software trying this with
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ah c'mon mixing records isn't that hard. Traktor looks like cool software trying this with Cubase 3 or 4 years ago was an utter nightmare something I'll look into when I get back into DJ mixing. One thing I did discover though is carefully controlled trainwrecks can sound good or slightly off sync mixing something that may be difficult to achieve unless your using vinyl also there's nothing like a good backspin.
quoted 8 lines especially because traktor can be used with a hardware dj mixer if you> especially because traktor can be used with a hardware dj mixer if you > choose, traktor will 'teach' you many aspects of djing. you'll learn > phrasing, programming, eq/efx/sample work, some tricks, etc.. but the one > thing that traktor will not teach you is the single greatest key to mixing > on turntables (also the single most difficult thing): beat matching. > traktor does this automatically whereas with real decks you have to figure > it out yourself, usually after many many frustrating trainwrecked hours of > sounding like utter crap.
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2003-09-05 14:31sr_ thinkbox>> but the one > > thing that traktor will not teach you is the single greatest key to >mi
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quoted 9 lines but the one>> but the one > > thing that traktor will not teach you is the single greatest key to >mixing > > on turntables (also the single most difficult thing): beat matching. > > traktor does this automatically whereas with real decks you have to >figure > > it out yourself, usually after many many frustrating trainwrecked hours >of > > sounding like utter crap.
Well, not totally true. Traktor tries to beat match automatically but unfortunately computers aren't as smart as humans and can't figure out beatmatching if there are beatless sections at the beginning of a track. Turntable beatmatching is a heck of a lot easier after a few years of practice. The good things in life take time and practice to accomplish. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-09-07 04:17spwWell of course there are pro's and cons, a big pro with software like Traktor is you can r
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Well of course there are pro's and cons, a big pro with software like Traktor is you can ride two tracks together without sounding sloppy next to impossible using vinyl.
quoted 1 line From: "sr_ thinkbox" <sr_thinkbox@hotmail.com>> From: "sr_ thinkbox" <sr_thinkbox@hotmail.com>
quoted 5 lines Well, not totally true. Traktor tries to beat match automatically but> Well, not totally true. Traktor tries to beat match automatically but > unfortunately computers aren't as smart as humans and can't figure out > beatmatching if there are beatless sections at the beginning of a track. > Turntable beatmatching is a heck of a lot easier after a few years of > practice. The good things in life take time and practice to accomplish.
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