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could someone post the name of the track, or hell, the track itself if possible ===== what you cant see cant hurt you __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 13/04/03 16:41, "Benjamin P. Tolchen" said in living color:

quoted 2 lines could someone post the name of the track, or hell, the

> could someone post the name of the track, or hell, the > track itself if possible

It's indicated as "/]{- /](II) excerpt". It's a very curious track... and not terribly interesting, IMO. Mostly "traditional", thin-sounding drum sounds arranged in a stuttering fashion, arpeggios forming a single seventh-diminished chord (F#-A-C-Eb) -- which obviously evokes memories of "19 headaches" on the second Peel Session, but the two tracks are *far* from being close parents -- with the synth tone often swelling when bass notes are heard... and that's pretty much it. No other constituting elements. No discernable DSP treatments, and a limited and non evolving textural palette. It thus seems to me to be very early Autechre -- but since I have never heard the Basscadet EP and I'm far from being an Autechre expert/trainspotter, I can't be much more specific. I've done a (very) rapid early Autechre (Incunabula, Amber, Peel Session I, Tri Repetae) survey to try to trace back the origins of the ATP track, and what struck me was the absence of some sort of anchor melody (the arpeggio does not qualify), which is almost always present in early Autechre. Also, the randomness of the beats (absence of a groove) seem to clash with most early Autechre tracks. Those two traits seem more associated with later Autechre, but the elements identified in the earlier paragraph seem to weigh much more in the balance (towards early Autechre). Another thing that seems to separate early Autechre from the ATP track is the reliance on standard drum sounds. In most early Autechre tracks, there seems to be a tendency to use non-conventional percussion sounds to form the basis of the rhythmic track. In recent releases (I still haven't heard Draft 7.30, BTW -- waiting for the right moment), there seems to have been some kind of occasional return to traditional drum sounds, although treated with DSP operations. My hypothesis was thus that this was pre-Incunabula Autechre... But since I haven't heard any, this might be ludicrous... On another (related) topic, was the ATP3.0 compilation of tracks actually done by Autechre or was their role simply to choose the artists that would participate in the event? The notes say somewhere "Compiled as always by Barry Hogan of Foundation/ATP Recordings". Was he simply responsible for laying out the order of the tracks or did he have a more involved role and actually choose the tracks by the Autechre-chosen artists? I'm not sure if the compilation passes the test for me... Some tracks held my attention (Hecker's, in particular, IIRC, maybe others which escape me at the moment... which could in fact be a not-too-good sign), I found the Earth track (my first listen of their music) intriguing and I like the Bola track (but already had it)... so the jury's still out on this one.. /end rambling... must-stop-doing-things-to-avert-work-on-final-paper g. -- Guillaume Grenier - grenier.g@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 06:09 PM 4/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 20 lines On 13/04/03 16:41, "Benjamin P. Tolchen" said in living color:

>On 13/04/03 16:41, "Benjamin P. Tolchen" said in living color: > > > could someone post the name of the track, or hell, the > > track itself if possible > >It's indicated as "/]{- /](II) excerpt". > >It's a very curious track... and not terribly interesting, IMO. > >Mostly "traditional", thin-sounding drum sounds arranged in a stuttering >fashion, arpeggios forming a single seventh-diminished chord (F#-A-C-Eb) -- >which obviously evokes memories of "19 headaches" on the second Peel >Session, but the two tracks are *far* from being close parents -- with the >synth tone often swelling when bass notes are heard... and that's pretty >much it. No other constituting elements. No discernable DSP treatments, and >a limited and non evolving textural palette. > >It thus seems to me to be very early Autechre -- but since I have never >heard the Basscadet EP and I'm far from being an Autechre >expert/trainspotter, I can't be much more specific.

Could also be part of a live show, as from the show I saw they tend to be light on the DSP live and focus more on "working an angle." could be wrong, too. but at least the title would make a bit more sense. derek ------- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------- it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 13/04/03 20:57, "EggyToast" said in living color:

quoted 4 lines Could also be part of a live show, as from the show I saw they tend to be

> Could also be part of a live show, as from the show I saw they tend to be > light on the DSP live and focus more on "working an angle." > > could be wrong, too. but at least the title would make a bit more sense.

I see your point... But I think the rhythm track is still too "drummy", straightforward from a textural point of view, to be from a live show -- at least a recent one. Even though they *did* seem to "be light on the DSP", they nonetheless used non-"drummy" sounds for percussion (at the show I went to). I'd be curious to see this mystery resolved... Maybe someone at Warp could provide insight into this matter? [np: draft 7.30, for the first time... too soon to comment] g. -- Guillaume Grenier - grenier.g@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line It's a very curious track... and not terribly interesting, IMO.

>It's a very curious track... and not terribly interesting, IMO.

I can't say I'm dissappointed with the new Autechre album (certainly not the way I was with Confield), but a better word to use would be 'underwhelmed.' In listening to previous Ae albums, they started souring with me after LP5 because from that point on (FOR THE MOST PART, GENERALLY SPEAKING), the songs became more linear and didn't take the twists and turns of the earlier stuff. Also, they became much less melodic. Also the layers of sounds and textures remain rather constant or static and is simply not as exciting to listen to. The track on the new ATP comp is a good example of that- one feel, one groove, a single theme that loops for six and a half minutes. Whoever it was who suggested that that track was one of their most gorgeous must not have heard Flutter or Cichli or Puch.

Look....... the track that most of you are describing from this compilation, that majority of people have been downloading, is not an Autechre track at all. The track that is circulating all over the internet is mislabeled as Ae, but is in fact, a Bola track off of the album---- fyuti. The track is titled magnasushi. Whomever encoded the ATP cd fucked up when they did the Autechre track. Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates lower than 192?????? Soulseek and the like are filled with tracks and albums that are encoded at 128 and 160. Pretty moronic if you ask me......even more moronic are the people who download these low quality tracks and actually listen to them. It should be a law that you mujst encode at 192 or higher. I guess some people like listening to there tracks with the bandwith noise reduction hiss and sizzle. alan flood _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

People are still using MP3? Come on, get with it... http://www.vorbis.com/ -Adam On Monday 14 April 2003 11:04 pm, alan flood wrote: [...]

quoted 10 lines Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates

> Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates > lower than 192?????? Soulseek and the like are filled with tracks and > albums that are encoded at 128 and 160. Pretty moronic if you ask > me......even more moronic are the people who download these low quality > tracks and actually listen to them. It should be a law that you mujst > encode at 192 or higher. I guess some people like listening to there tracks > with the bandwith noise reduction hiss and sizzle. > > > alan flood

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alan flood said:

quoted 2 lines Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates

> Speaking of encoding mp3's .......... who the hell encodes at bitrates > lower than 192?????? Soulseek and the like are filled with tracks

and

quoted 4 lines albums that are encoded at 128 and 160. Pretty moronic if you ask

> albums that are encoded at 128 and 160. Pretty moronic if you ask > me......even more moronic are the people who download these low > quality tracks and actually listen to them. It should be a law that > you mujst encode at 192 or higher. I guess some people like

listening

quoted 1 line to there tracks with the bandwith noise reduction hiss and sizzle.

> to there tracks with the bandwith noise reduction hiss and sizzle.

Maybe they do that so you can listen to the tracks to see whether you want to buy the album or not. Then make a backup at whatever quality you like from your own copy, if you like it. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 09:49 AM, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 4 lines Maybe they do that so you can listen to the tracks to see whether you

> > Maybe they do that so you can listen to the tracks to see whether you > want to buy the album or not. Then make a backup at whatever quality > you like from your own copy, if you like it.

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I say average music consumer doesn't give a shit for sound quality. they can't tell the difference between 96 & 192 k. // janos At 09:53 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, Brett Dietsch wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 09:49 AM, EggyToast wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 09:49 AM, EggyToast wrote: >> >>Maybe they do that so you can listen to the tracks to see whether you >>want to buy the album or not. Then make a backup at whatever quality >>you like from your own copy, if you like it. > >capitalist pig, go back to wall street, and be sure to hit a starbucks on >the way for a double-mocha sellout! :-D > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i say average idm listee is not average consumer, and most of 'em can tell. - ja

quoted 6 lines I say average music consumer doesn't give a shit for sound quality.

>I say average music consumer doesn't give a shit for sound quality. > >they can't tell the difference between 96 & 192 k. > >// janos >

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i didn't say that idm listeners where average music consumers. what should be added is that idm consumers are the one that got the highest number of mp3's on their hard discs. // janos At 12:18 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, jeremy.axon wrote:

quoted 19 lines i say average idm listee is not average consumer, and most of 'em can tell.

>i say average idm listee is not average consumer, and most of 'em can tell. > >- >ja > > > >>I say average music consumer doesn't give a shit for sound quality. >> >>they can't tell the difference between 96 & 192 k. >> >>// janos > >-- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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And 82% of statistics are made up on the spot. on 16/4/03 9:22 am the person going by the name janos at janos@techstylism.com spake :

quoted 36 lines i didn't say that idm listeners where average music consumers.

> i didn't say that idm listeners where average music consumers. > > what should be added is that idm consumers are the one that got the highest > number of mp3's on their hard discs. > > // janos > > > At 12:18 PM 4/15/2003 -0400, jeremy.axon wrote: >> i say average idm listee is not average consumer, and most of 'em can tell. >> >> - >> ja >> >> >> >>> I say average music consumer doesn't give a shit for sound quality. >>> >>> they can't tell the difference between 96 & 192 k. >>> >>> // janos >> >> -- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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ok... so what is the bola labeled track? and which track is the ae track? wait a minute. the baby ford track sounds suspiciously like ae. and the bola track is way too much detroit techno. so, mystery solved. track labeled baby ford = autechre track labeled autechre = bola track labeled bola = baby ford of course provide none of the other tracks got switched around... hs -----Original Message----- From: "alan flood" <guile133@hotmail.com>

quoted 6 lines Look....... the track that most of you are describing from this compilation,

> Look....... the track that most of you are describing from this compilation, > that majority of people have been downloading, is not an Autechre track > at all. The track that is circulating all over the internet is mislabeled > as Ae, but is in fact, a Bola track off of the album---- fyuti. The track > is titled magnasushi. Whomever encoded the ATP cd fucked up when they did > the Autechre track.

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, henrik [iso-8859-1] strömberg wrote:

quoted 3 lines ok...

> ok... > so what is the bola labeled track? > and which track is the ae track?

here's the answer, the promotional cd has wrong tracklisting on the cd's. simple as that. or a very clever error. :) anyway, for those who was/were interested in the new amon tobin video: http://www.ninjatune.net/qtvideos/AmonTobin-Verbal.mov bias. http://bias.underground.hu xpn-voice-added-contact:/dev/70/312/9708 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, henrik [iso-8859-1] strömberg wrote:

quoted 3 lines ok...

> ok... > so what is the bola labeled track? > and which track is the ae track?

here's the answer, the promotional cd has wrong tracklisting on the cd's. simple as that. or a very clever error. :) anyway, for those who was/were interested in the new amon tobin video: http://www.ninjatune.net/qtvideos/AmonTobin-Verbal.mov bias. http://bias.underground.hu xpn-voice-added-contact:/dev/70/312/9708 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org