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from the Ninjatune forum today: "IDM has become... ...all about this: "I've got the new 'Cael 3.2' mix by Relnt" "Have you heard the 'Nm Forstha' EP by Hise?" "...wicked new LP out by Pkoa, it's called 'Haeniq Rcalthic Remode'..." "I thought aJeq 8 was much better than aJeq 3.7" etc... it's true isn't it?" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

($reply_post = $your_post) =~ s/[idm artist][idm title]/[hip hop artist][hip hop title]/gi; Though the two Hint 10"s available through the Ninja Shop have been on my turntables quite frequently. _muff._ xo on 11/1/03 2:46 pm the person going by the name cath animon at cathanimon@hotmail.com spake :

quoted 20 lines from the Ninjatune forum today:

> > from the Ninjatune forum today: > > "IDM has become... > > ...all about this: > > "I've got the new 'Cael 3.2' mix by Relnt" > > "Have you heard the 'Nm Forstha' EP by Hise?" > > "...wicked new LP out by Pkoa, it's called 'Haeniq Rcalthic Remode'..." > > "I thought aJeq 8 was much better than aJeq 3.7" > > etc... > > it's true isn't it?" > >

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At one point I had to transfer about 300 files from one drive to another, and on the other drive were three houndred files named the same thing (track 3 recording 13, etc..) so I renamed them all quickley, semi-randomley. Came up with some good ones! For Example cyberion couden dryingra fomnbin gerwqom gobpqin loayertin nomerf Maybe they mean something in another language, or they are phonetic rauschach patterns that if I thought about it hard enough I could learn something about my subconcious through them. My favorite track titles are Animals On Wheels or Telefon Tel Aviv. "Your face reminds me of when I was old" "Build a church with your fear" "Life is all about taking things in and putting things out" I mean I guess if I was really smart I could pick apart all the hidden meanings of Bola's track titles, but I kind of like listening to the music more. I guess the track titles serve thier purpose, though. --- cath animon <cathanimon@hotmail.com> wrote:

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> > from the Ninjatune forum today: > > "IDM has become... > > ...all about this: > > "I've got the new 'Cael 3.2' mix by Relnt" > > "Have you heard the 'Nm Forstha' EP by Hise?" > > "...wicked new LP out by Pkoa, it's called 'Haeniq > Rcalthic Remode'..." > > "I thought aJeq 8 was much better than aJeq 3.7" > > etc... > > it's true isn't it?" > > > > > > > > >

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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "cath animon" <cathanimon@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:46:41 +0000

quoted 9 lines from the Ninjatune forum today:

> >from the Ninjatune forum today: > >"IDM has become... >"I thought aJeq 8 was much better than aJeq 3.7" > >etc... > >it's true isn't it?"

Sure, but who cares? This type of music is probably one of the few out there where it doesn't matter what the tracks are called or what the artists name themselves. Do I care if the majority of IDM artists even name their tracks? Or even name themselves? <full idm geek mode> besides, if the guy had any idea what he was talking about, he'd realize that he simply was talking about the last few RDJ and Autechre releases. Those naming conventions simply aren't true among the majority of idm artists. </full idm geek mode> Besides, is any other non-mainstream genre any better? "I picked up the new Death Catacomb Hellmonger LP, the track 'I piss upon the grave of my parent's emanciated carcasses' is totally brutal!" "I snagged the latest Sadly Drawn Toy single, the track 'Weeping on flowers in the last field I've seen since my lost childhood' totally speaks to me" derek -- ------- eggytoast.com ------- proven to kill germs -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eggy Toast wrote:

quoted 4 lines <full idm geek mode> besides, if the guy had any idea what he was

> <full idm geek mode> besides, if the guy had any idea what he was > talking about, he'd realize that he simply was talking about the last > few RDJ and Autechre releases. Those naming conventions simply aren't > true among the majority of idm artists.

No the Scrabble-word naming convention meme has spread.. Arovane, Phonem, Brothomstates, and Funckarma are four that spring to mind immediately. I think its great personally, I name all my workstations after these near-english song titles. So far I've used leterel, flutter, amine, recury, clipper, and blacksoil.

quoted 1 line </full idm geek mode>

> </full idm geek mode>

quoted 5 lines Besides, is any other non-mainstream genre any better?

> Besides, is any other non-mainstream genre any better? > > "I picked up the new Death Catacomb Hellmonger LP, the track 'I piss > upon the grave of my parent's emanciated carcasses' is totally > brutal!"

I saw a flier for a local death-metal band named "EXUMED" .. You'd think they'd bother to run it through a spellchecker before publicising themselves... If you make up the words, this isn't a problem. -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 01:27 PM 1/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eggy Toast wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eggy Toast wrote: > > > <full idm geek mode> besides, if the guy had any idea what he was > > talking about, he'd realize that he simply was talking about the last > > few RDJ and Autechre releases. Those naming conventions simply aren't > > true among the majority of idm artists. > >No the Scrabble-word naming convention meme has spread.. Arovane, >Phonem, Brothomstates, and Funckarma are four that spring to mind >immediately.

But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is close to phoneme, brothomstates has "states" in it, and Arovane and Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly). The names certainly have a bit more to them than just a seemingly random placement of vowels and consonants. I mean, compare the names for tracks that Autechre uses to the parody names that people use to represent "pseudo-autechre" tracks. Usually the parodic names sound a heck of a lot more like gobbledygook compared to anything you'd find on an actual record. I think that's usually because there's some sort of thought that goes into naming rather nameless music, and the people that are skilled at chopping up music should, it follows, be at least interested in chopping up their own language.

quoted 3 lines I think its great personally, I name all my workstations after these

>I think its great personally, I name all my workstations after these >near-english song titles. So far I've used leterel, flutter, >amine, recury, clipper, and blacksoil.

See, that's the thing. They are near english. It's a far cry from reaching in a bag full of letters and trying to arrange what comes out. I think many people see the track names as some sort of pretention, not thinking that maybe, just maybe, the people who are doing the naming think it's even more pretentious to try to wring emotions from dumb song titles.

quoted 3 lines I saw a flier for a local death-metal band named "EXUMED" .. You'd think

>I saw a flier for a local death-metal band named "EXUMED" .. You'd think >they'd bother to run it through a spellchecker before publicising >themselves... If you make up the words, this isn't a problem.

At least with most IDM releases I've purchased, any spelling mistakes usually appear intentional. That may also be, though, due to the lack of written words in the liner notes. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 11/01/03 17:25, "EggyToast" said in living color:

quoted 15 lines At 01:27 PM 1/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:

> At 01:27 PM 1/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Eggy Toast wrote: >> >>> <full idm geek mode> besides, if the guy had any idea what he was >>> talking about, he'd realize that he simply was talking about the last >>> few RDJ and Autechre releases. Those naming conventions simply aren't >>> true among the majority of idm artists. >> >> No the Scrabble-word naming convention meme has spread.. Arovane, >> Phonem, Brothomstates, and Funckarma are four that spring to mind >> immediately. > > But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is > close to phoneme, brothomstates has "states" in it, and Arovane and > Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly).

I think he was referring to the title of *tracks* made by these musicians. (For example, the track titles on Funckarma's "Solid State", on Arovane's Atol Scrap, Brothomstates' "Claro", etc.) g. -- Guillaume Grenier - grenier.g@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 3 lines But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is

> But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is > close to phoneme, brothomstates has "states" in it, and Arovane and > Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly).

I mean, these guys use the same scheme for at least some of their song titles. arovane - aer valid, valid fard, nedjev, cycliph, plnt, [ etc ] phonem - blone kone, pakt, phonetik, bitstream brothomstates - qtio, vleade, mrdrmx, te noch rp, kivesq, [ etc ] funckarma - blex, lawk, emplinx, nuncas, arati

quoted 9 lines The names certainly have a bit more to them than just a seemingly random

> The names certainly have a bit more to them than just a seemingly random > placement of vowels and consonants. I mean, compare the names for tracks > that Autechre uses to the parody names that people use to represent > "pseudo-autechre" tracks. Usually the parodic names sound a heck of a lot > more like gobbledygook compared to anything you'd find on an actual > record. I think that's usually because there's some sort of thought that > goes into naming rather nameless music, and the people that are skilled at > chopping up music should, it follows, be at least interested in chopping up > their own language.

Yes, absolutely - in fact a phoneme is defined as the smallest distinctive unit of speech. Autechre have said in a non-piss-taking interview (linked off autechre.nu I believe) that the song names are often typos or transpositions of the name of a patch or sample they used in that song. -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 11 Jan 2003 at 17:25, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 1 line brothomstates has "states" in it

> brothomstates has "states" in it

I know somebody who insists on calling Brothomstates "Bathroomstates", even years after the error was pointed out.

quoted 2 lines and Arovane and Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I

> and Arovane and Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I > remember correctly).

That they might be, but they still don't mean anything in those languages.

quoted 2 lines At least with most IDM releases I've purchased, any spelling mistakes

> At least with most IDM releases I've purchased, any spelling mistakes > usually appear intentional.

That's because they are *intelligent* ... tee hee, flame bait in action ;-) eric@explosive.net wrote :

quoted 2 lines So far I've used leterel, flutter, amine,

> So far I've used leterel, flutter, amine, > >recury, clipper, and blacksoil.

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quoted 5 lines But those are more like things, or possible names for

>>But those are more like things, or possible names for >>things. Phonem is close to phoneme, brothomstates >>has "states" in it, and Arovane and Funckarma are german >>and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly). >I mean, these guys use the same scheme for at least some of >their song

titles.

quoted 1 line brothomstates - qtio, vleade, mrdrmx, te noch rp, kivesq, [ >etc ]

>brothomstates - qtio, vleade, mrdrmx, te noch rp, kivesq, [ >etc ]

qtio = kuutio = finnish for 'cube' mdrmx (not mrdrmx) = remix of MD appelsap (consult www.m3rck.net merck003 release MD appelsap for the original release of)) natin = either "natina" (creaking/etc) or "nothing". brothomstates ixpen = remix of a track called 'ip xen'. by someone. kivesq = either "kivesku" or "kives-q" (kives=testicle) claro isnt "gibberish" neither is viimo (close enough to "viima"), or, even "viimonen" -> "viimoinen" -> "viimeinen". what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? yep, r-e-a-l random. -- -- esa ruoho http://www.lackluster.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 20 lines qtio = kuutio = finnish for 'cube'

> qtio = kuutio = finnish for 'cube' > > mdrmx (not mrdrmx) = remix of MD appelsap (consult www.m3rck.net > merck003 release MD appelsap for the original release of)) > > natin = either "natina" (creaking/etc) or "nothing". > > brothomstates ixpen = remix of a track called 'ip xen'. by someone. > > kivesq = either "kivesku" or "kives-q" (kives=testicle) > > claro isnt "gibberish" > neither is viimo (close enough to "viima"), or, even "viimonen" -> > "viimoinen" -> "viimeinen". > > > what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of > the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a > random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? > yep, r-e-a-l random.

Information is structured data. People obviously aren't very good at structuring their data... Why should 'Qtuci' as a track title mean anything less than 'Forgiveness' ... After all both would be equally meaningless if you didn't understand english. What would be wrong if the words were abstract and made up anyway?. I think the argument should be the same as that of 'abstract' art... track naming is an art in it's own right. Attaching a real word or name to a track means that the listener may try to read more meaning into a piece of music that is there rather than just appreciate the music. My favourite track name is "" [excluding the quotes, obviously] _muff._ xo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of

> what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of > the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a > random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? > yep, r-e-a-l random.

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as long as the music continues to push our subconscious nned to reach another world......through aural experimentation......names are insignificant.......king FIVESIXMEDIA 338 Brown street flr #2 Philadelphia Pa 19123 215-625-0456 www.kingbritt.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 10:51 PM 1/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines as long as the music continues to push our subconscious nned to reach another

>as long as the music continues to push our subconscious nned to reach another >world......through aural experimentation......names are >insignificant.......king

But how are we supposed to be hurt by namecallers with small penises if we do that? derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Or perhaps you and others are making something out of nothing. The human mind tends to place meaning where none was intended. Have you ever stared at clouds and seen things other that clouds? Then again perhaps not. Only the original creator can know for sure. zach

quoted 42 lines But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is

> >>>But those are more like things, or possible names for things. Phonem is >>>close to phoneme, brothomstates has "states" in it, and Arovane and >>>Funckarma are german and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly). >>I mean, these guys use the same scheme for at least some of >their song >titles. >>brothomstates - qtio, vleade, mrdrmx, te noch rp, kivesq, [ >etc ] > >qtio = kuutio = finnish for 'cube' > >mdrmx (not mrdrmx) = remix of MD appelsap (consult www.m3rck.net merck003 >release MD appelsap for the original release of)) > >natin = either "natina" (creaking/etc) or "nothing". > >brothomstates ixpen = remix of a track called 'ip xen'. by someone. > >kivesq = either "kivesku" or "kives-q" (kives=testicle) > >claro isnt "gibberish" >neither is viimo (close enough to "viima"), or, even "viimonen" -> >"viimoinen" -> "viimeinen". > > >what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of the >tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a random >number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? >yep, r-e-a-l random. > > > > > >-- >-- >esa ruoho >http://www.lackluster.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 10 lines what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of

> > > what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of > > the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a > > random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? > > yep, r-e-a-l random. > >Oh my god! The 2 month pre-anniversary of Christmas 99! That's a day that >will forever live in infamy. > >Bonus points if you can figure out what I'm really jabbing at.

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What depends on who's ego? zach

quoted 15 lines depends on your ego.....king

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quoted 25 lines what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of

> > > > > > what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of > > > the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a > > > random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? > > > yep, r-e-a-l random. > > > >Oh my god! The 2 month pre-anniversary of Christmas 99! That's a day that > >will forever live in infamy. > > > >Bonus points if you can figure out what I'm really jabbing at. > > My Scrotum? > > zach > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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i generally name tracks by looking around me and taking something that's sitting infront of me, or on a page of a book or magazine, or something to do with the original filename or enter a random bunch of characters and try and assemble a word type thing out of them... a;lskdjals -> 'sklodj' for instance sounds sorta cool... the only bad thing about this system is that i usually only name the track when i'm exporting the master from cubase, and most of the time end up changing it the next week, which makes it very hard to remember which cubase filename relates to which song... oh well autechre once said on IRC that they used a computer program to generate track names, then there's allways anagram programs too. bowie wrote lyrics by assembling cut up words from a hat, which i think came from Burroughs (anyone read The Soft Machine - fucking insane)... if there's no lyrics to a song then what's the point of trying to assign any kind of meaningful title for it? it seems fairly pointless to me... if the word-thing seems cool for no particular reason there's nothing wrong with that... or you mightn't use a title at all... or i guess one could try and describe the emotional response to listening to the song, so fucking what... my favourite title of mine is 'Guido de Montifeltro's Patented Spring Top Hat' which is a mixture of Flann O'Brien and Dante's Inferno. skism... np:The Cosmic Memoirs Of The Late Great Rupert J. Rosinthrope

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> -----Original Message----- > From: esa ruoho [mailto:esaruoho@dlc.fi] > Sent: 11 January 2003 23:51 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] IDM has become... > > > >>But those are more like things, or possible names for > >>things. Phonem is close to phoneme, brothomstates > >>has "states" in it, and Arovane and Funckarma are german > >>and dutch, respectively (if I remember correctly). > >I mean, these guys use the same scheme for at least some of >their song > titles. > >brothomstates - qtio, vleade, mrdrmx, te noch rp, kivesq, [ >etc ] > > qtio = kuutio = finnish for 'cube' > > mdrmx (not mrdrmx) = remix of MD appelsap (consult www.m3rck.net > merck003 release MD appelsap for the original release of)) > > natin = either "natina" (creaking/etc) or "nothing". > > brothomstates ixpen = remix of a track called 'ip xen'. by someone. > > kivesq = either "kivesku" or "kives-q" (kives=testicle) > > claro isnt "gibberish" > neither is viimo (close enough to "viima"), or, even "viimonen" -> > "viimoinen" -> "viimeinen". > > > what really irks me is that some reviewers honestly claim that some of > the tracknames are just random numbers.. exactly how is 25101999 a > random number? ever heard of 25/10/1999? > yep, r-e-a-l random. > > > > > > -- > -- > esa ruoho > http://www.lackluster.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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you wrote: or i guess one could try and describe the emotional response to listening to the song, so fucking what... Yeah, but a few people do that really well, like U-ziq "Twangle Frent" "Brace Yourself"? Okay a very small amount, since I can't think of any other ones that fit that criteria. But kind of amalgamated halfphonetic words get a little boring after buying like 5 or 6 cds like that. It can make for some funny moments though when someone asks what a track is, and you say "Oh thats Mu-ziq" and there like "Yeah but what is it?" and then you say "MU-ziq. And the track is "Die Zwiete Heimat". IDM is good for confusing people, on so many different levels! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines i generally name tracks by looking around me and taking something

> > i generally name tracks by looking around me and taking something > that's sitting infront of me, or on a page of a book or magazine, > or something to do with the original filename or enter a random bunch > of characters and try and assemble a word type thing out of them... > a;lskdjals -> 'sklodj' for instance sounds sorta cool...

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quoted 5 lines autechre once said on IRC that they used a computer program to

> autechre once said on IRC that they used a computer program to > generate track names, then there's allways anagram programs too. > bowie wrote lyrics by assembling cut up words from a hat, which > i think came from Burroughs (anyone read The Soft Machine - fucking > insane)...

'It' came from Brion Gysin, the master magician of Joujouka. Quick-cut history of the cut-ups: http://cadre.sjsu.edu/switch/sound/articles/wendt/folder4/ng45.htm "The painter Brion Gysin (1916-1986), rediscovered Tristan Tzara's cut-up method while cutting through a newspaper upon which he was trimming some mats. He did several experiments with cut-ups while living in Tangiers. He shared his discovery with his friend William S. Burroughs, who put the technique to good use and altered the landscape of American literature" http://bernard.pitzer.edu/~bkeeley/REALITY/TOPY_BG.HTM "In the summer of 1959 Brion Gysin painter and writer cut newspaper articles into sections and rearranged the sections at random. "Minutes to Go" resulted from this initial cut-up experiment. "Minutes to Go" contains unedited unchanged cut-ups emerging as quite coherent and meaningful prose." HTH .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. np: Stakker - Eurotechno (accompanied by Dream Machine ;)) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

If the below was a comment on what "dntel" means, i believe its spanish for doorway.

quoted 4 lines and to drag on this thread...when dntel was asked why he picked dntel >and

>and to drag on this thread...when dntel was asked why he picked dntel >and >what it meant he said he chose it while he was listening to aphex >and ae >and he really didn't have an idea what it meant just that it >sounds like >don't tell

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quoted 7 lines On 11 Jan 2003 at 17:25, EggyToast wrote:

>On 11 Jan 2003 at 17:25, EggyToast wrote: > > > brothomstates has "states" in it > >I know somebody who insists on calling Brothomstates >"Bathroomstates", even years after the error was pointed out. >

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