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Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to the 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are there any particular dance steps? Is it a commercial hit in the UK? thanks mediadrome --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 2002-01-05 at 09:04, Mediadrome@aol.com wrote:

quoted 5 lines Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it.

> Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to the > 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are there > any particular dance steps? > Is it a commercial hit in the UK?

This is my first post to IDM, so try not to abuse me too much. Some conventions of two step: 125-145 BPM breakbeat (differing from speed garage being more of a breaks influence than house influence), sharp snare hit on the 2nd and 4th beat, usually a cymbal or shaker every eight note. All the precussion hits are usually short, emphasizing the syncopation and giving it a more "swinging" feel. A lot of dnb style basslines, and, unfortunately, a lot of cheesy rnb influenced vocals. To be honest, I like some 2step. I'm a strong beleiver that 80% of any genre of music that is produced is crap, but unfortunately with 2step its closer to 90%. There is FAR too much pop/rnb influence with the stuff being released in the UK (where I beleive it's gotten to the point that 2step regularly shows up on the pop charts). However, that other 10% really does move my ass, and I like it. There is a good deal of 2step/garage stuff that is more embracing of its dnb roots, with rolling basslines, increasingly more complex perscussion, and lacking the cheesy diva vocals which turn so many people off. There is also an emerging sound crossing over between the newschool breaks and garage genres that brings the good parts of 2step/garage without most of the bad. For some bad 2step, listen to So Solid Crew, Oxide and Neutrino, and anything you can find on the BBC. For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me sometime), list to Zed Bias, Dee Kline, DJ Zinc, DJ Hype, Stanton Warriors, and live sets (not so much production work) by Freq Nasty. -- Ross -- r.lord superclique,dc www.superclique.org rlord@superclique.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me

>For some good 2step (or garage, these classifications elude me >sometime), list to Zed Bias, Dee Kline, DJ Zinc, DJ Hype, Stanton >Warriors, and live sets (not so much production work) by Freq Nasty.

good to see a couple of peeps namechecking stanton warriors on idm - their mix album 'the stantion session' released in 2001, is actually really fucking great. for various reasons i was given this record, and it sat on my floor for months. until someone mentioned them to me - and i was like.. 'yeah, but this is cheesy garage - right?' .. i expected just 'cool' music, because it wasn't marketed so much as a commercial record but an underground one with credibility for real people and not just 'underground garage' (or whatever) heads.. anyway - i put this record on and it is really great. yeah, a bit of cheesy diva action but take it tongue and cheek and actually this is booooty-lucious-a-shakin. certainly refreshing.. the sleeve notes make a comment which i think is true, it's talking about the history of stanton warriors and says that people were 'unable to bracket [determine] the warriors as the brightest hope or two-step heroes gone leftfield' nice. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of Dance history we know, sampling and screwing it up. Most real dance fans (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too commercial. Stick to D'n'B, it's much better. As for conventions, I think that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather than four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite common (and irritating). Maybe you may hear something different, but I think it was a bad idea made worse.... All IMHO Also - Commercial Hit? It's the only reason 2-step got popular was by hype, media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is the only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples, and it was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [idm] 2 step

quoted 2 lines Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it.

> Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to

the

quoted 1 line 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

> 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are

there

quoted 10 lines any particular dance steps?

> any particular dance steps? > Is it a commercial hit in the UK? > > thanks > mediadrome > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd been playing techno, house, d'n'b, and was bored with it all, till i found a 12" of that loop da loop mix of 'love commandments'. hard, driving 4/4 beat! huge d'n'b-style bassline! weird-ass time stretchy samples and things! i could have done without the cheese vocals, but i loved it all the same, and was hooked. i special ordered as much speed garage as i could...after a few months i noticed all the b-sides to the records i was buying were these 'breakbeat' mixes with cheeseball house organ lines and even more horrendous skippy vocal samples than the tracks on the a-side...this, apparently, was the infancy of '2step' (people around me were calling it uk garage at the time)...pretty soon the b-sides became the a-sides, and all i could find for speed garage records were horrid 4/4 mixes of ukgarage/2step tracks. gone were the huge dark basslines and fast driving beats, replaced with bubbly boring bass, and that skippy 'oontz-kak-buh-kakkak' beat. this was followed by all the uk pirates and even some mainstream radio stations starting to play it, terrible r&b songs getting bootlegged into even more terrible 2step tracks, the 2step blowup in the uk, and now the trickledown of it over here in the US. i relocated to san francisco about 4 years ago, and have watched a number of really good local d'n'b djs jump the jungle ship and start playing what i've come to call poostep...oh well. i sit here under my grumpy umbrella, waiting for this unfortunate storm to pass. like when one of my closest pals got deeply and inexplicably into happy hardcore. heh. admittedly, i've heard a few good 2step tracks: stuff on domu's new record 'up and down', an aromabar remix i forget the details of, some things on svek that sound like 2step and tech-house humping... but i suppose i'd like to hear from someone who actually likes 2step. tell me: why? what's the appeal to you? is there anybody out there? -z On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Rich wrote:

quoted 49 lines I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm

> I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit I'm > not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of > Dance history we know, sampling and screwing it up. Most real dance fans > (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too > commercial. Stick to D'n'B, it's much better. As for conventions, I think > that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather than > four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite common > (and irritating). > > Maybe you may hear something different, but I think it was a bad idea made > worse.... > > All IMHO > > Also - Commercial Hit? It's the only reason 2-step got popular was by hype, > media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is the > only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples, and it > was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:04 PM > Subject: [idm] 2 step > > > > Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of it. > > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions to > the > > 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are > there > > any particular dance steps? > > Is it a commercial hit in the UK? > > > > thanks > > mediadrome > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I'll try not to add *too* much more to this unless asked, but I'll speak up (briefly) as an avowed lover of 2-step. Granted, I'm a music whore and in some senses I love songs/vocals as much as production -- but I'm definitely not a fan of much contemporary R&B and I've still found a lot to love in 2-step. Here's three of the best: Stanton Warriors - Stanton Session - the Basement Jaxx of the 2-step scene: infectious and irresistible, but very tight V/A - Pure Garage (mixed by DJ EZ) - very R&B/anthems sounding, not going to change yr mind, but if you like classic house music, you'll love this... Zed Bias - Sound of the Pirates - harder, more track-oriented... Just be sure to avoid single-artist albums: MJ Cole, Wookie, and esp. Artful Dodgy (except their mix albums). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hello IDM list, I have been on and off this list for 5 years now. I am glad to be back on and I hope to stay a while. As Troy McClure would say, "Some of you may know me as Magic Hands." (When I first joined the list it was de rigueur to use a DJ-type pseudonymn.) Today, you can call me Matt. I have a special request. Recently I destroyed my copy of Porter Ricks' "Biokinetics" release. That darn metal case finally did me in. I have looked around for the album on various music/file sharing services, but the few mp3s I've been able to find have been of poor quality. I'd love to get the whole album, but if someone could send me a link to a CD quality mp3 of "Port Gentil" (the first track on the album), I'd be very grateful. Very, very grateful. Please reply off-list to the e-mail below. Peace, Matt studio@cheapo.cc --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd

> ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd

speed garage = good It harkens back to 91-93, the days of the old hardcore techno, when dance music was fun and energetic. It may have been formulaic (especially with respect to samples), but there were the big huge melodies, and it seemed like the music was really about having a good time. "Techno" (electronic music) to me know just seems to be so much of a "here's the soundtrack for your clubbing tonight, yuppie". Triphop and such got old after a while, and generified as well. two step garage = bad Yeah, it's laden with samples, but the beat makes it sound just like hip house... and it's similarly crass and vapid. It just kinda lies there for me. I think in the entrie time it's been big in Dallas (WAY too long) I've heard like 1 song I could actually enjoy. The rest just bored me stiff. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Andrew Hime wrote:

quoted 8 lines ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd

> > ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd > > speed garage = good > > It harkens back to 91-93, the days of the old hardcore techno, when dance > music was fun and energetic. It may have been formulaic (especially with > respect to samples), but there were the big huge melodies, and it seemed > like the music was really about having a good time.

SG was all about having a good time. that's why i loved it and loved playing it. it always seemed to get people out onto the deadest of dancefloors. formulaic, definitely. in the end it got just as bad as 2step: re-releasing the same track with a few more samples, or different samples altogether over the same beat and bassline. see double99's 'ripgroove' for an example. but it was just silly fun music. definite hardcore roots, i agree. you could tell the good-time goofyness by the stuff that was coming out: a monster speedgarage bootleg of prince's 'when doves cry', a SG cover of the stones 'bittersweet symphony', hendrix 'crosstown traffic', and then all the original anthems, all the mixes loop da loop was doing, van helden's janet jackson remix...ok i'm getting all nostalgic. i guess i don't understand why speed garage met such a quick demise, and 2step, which seems a whole lot less fun and danceable, has taken off. guess it's just a matter of 'taste', as with most things of this nature.

quoted 3 lines "Techno" (electronic music) to me know just seems to be so much of a "here&

> "Techno" (electronic music) to me know just seems to be so much of a "here's > the soundtrack for your clubbing tonight, yuppie". Triphop and such got old > after a while, and generified as well.

what...? techno to me means the hard bangin stuff. oliver ho, cari lekebusch, adam byer & drumcode records, etc. stuff that would confuse yuppies or give them a headache or make them cry. ah well. i just love the whole multi-definition genre thing, don't you?

quoted 6 lines two step garage = bad

> two step garage = bad > > Yeah, it's laden with samples, but the beat makes it sound just like hip > house... and it's similarly crass and vapid. It just kinda lies there for > me. I think in the entrie time it's been big in Dallas (WAY too long) I've > heard like 1 song I could actually enjoy. The rest just bored me stiff.

poostep's big in dallas? i'm sorry, man. it's getting big here in san francisco, but it still seems a bit underground, and very closely tied with the d'n'b scene. usually it's a 2step dj or 2 as an opener at some of the d'n'b club nights, then the d'n'b guys play. and there are a couple of 2step weeklies in the smaller clubs that i'll never ever go to as well...but for the most part sf is still a house/trance (er, 'progressive'?) town. thankfully, the idm scene seems to be steadily growing here. hooray for that. -z --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin,

> > > ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin,

i'd

quoted 4 lines speed garage = good

> > > > speed garage = good > > > > It harkens back to 91-93, the days of the old hardcore techno, when

dance

quoted 20 lines music was fun and energetic. It may have been formulaic (especially with

> > music was fun and energetic. It may have been formulaic (especially with > > respect to samples), but there were the big huge melodies, and it seemed > > like the music was really about having a good time. > > SG was all about having a good time. that's why i loved it and loved > playing it. it always seemed to get people out onto the deadest of > dancefloors. formulaic, definitely. in the end it got just as bad as > 2step: re-releasing the same track with a few more samples, or different > samples altogether over the same beat and bassline. see double99's > 'ripgroove' for an example. but it was just silly fun music. definite > hardcore roots, i agree. you could tell the good-time goofyness by the > stuff that was coming out: a monster speedgarage bootleg of prince's 'when > doves cry', a SG cover of the stones 'bittersweet symphony', hendrix > 'crosstown traffic', and then all the original anthems, all the mixes loop > da loop was doing, van helden's janet jackson remix...ok i'm getting all > nostalgic. i guess i don't understand why speed garage met such a quick > demise, and 2step, which seems a whole lot less fun and danceable, has > taken off. > > guess it's just a matter of 'taste', as with most things of this nature.

I think the one that did it for me was the "Spin Spin Sugar" remix... the bassline on that was just evil. See, there are certain things in music that I will always go for. Mogwai style bombast. Huge simple cheesy melodies (yes, I admit it, I like fluffy trance). And real deep basslines. There's a few jungle tunes that get me every time, so I had to buy them and keep them onhand. I think Look Jerk Sound System was the one who did the one on sm:)e that I keep in my crate and play all the time. "The Aim" by Single Cell Orchestra is another one. Not to mention it's got chopped up vocals, which I am also a sucker for.

quoted 1 line "Techno" (electronic music) to me know just seems to be so much of a

> > "Techno" (electronic music) to me know just seems to be so much of a

"here's

quoted 1 line the soundtrack for your clubbing tonight, yuppie". Triphop and such got

> > the soundtrack for your clubbing tonight, yuppie". Triphop and such got

old

quoted 7 lines after a while, and generified as well.

> > after a while, and generified as well. > > what...? techno to me means the hard bangin stuff. oliver ho, cari > lekebusch, adam byer & drumcode records, etc. stuff that would confuse > yuppies or give them a headache or make them cry. > > ah well. i just love the whole multi-definition genre thing, don't you?

I just use "techno" as an umbrella term for electronic music.

quoted 4 lines two step garage = bad

> > two step garage = bad > > > > Yeah, it's laden with samples, but the beat makes it sound just like hip > > house... and it's similarly crass and vapid. It just kinda lies there

for

quoted 1 line me. I think in the entrie time it's been big in Dallas (WAY too long)

> > me. I think in the entrie time it's been big in Dallas (WAY too long)

I've

quoted 12 lines heard like 1 song I could actually enjoy. The rest just bored me stiff.

> > heard like 1 song I could actually enjoy. The rest just bored me stiff. > > poostep's big in dallas? i'm sorry, man. it's getting big here in san > francisco, but it still seems a bit underground, and very closely tied > with the d'n'b scene. usually it's a 2step dj or 2 as an opener at some of > the d'n'b club nights, then the d'n'b guys play. and there are a couple of > 2step weeklies in the smaller clubs that i'll never ever go to as > well...but for the most part sf is still a house/trance (er, > 'progressive'?) town. > > thankfully, the idm scene seems to be steadily growing here. hooray for > that.

Two step is huge in Dallas in that underground sense... the MAN is keeping everything except house or whichever form of triphop is hot right now. So it bubbles under and gets huge, just like jungle. Usually, we ape whatever popular trend ahead of most of the rest of the country. Jungle/B&B was one where we were very far behind for a very long time. And of course, our IDM scene is... not too big. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2 step is basically a house vibe, with a DnB-ish chipset. Music for the Saks Fifth Avenue type punters, hence the heavy RnB influences. I have a bunch of good stuff, though. The stuff that has a ragga influence is kinda nice. And really, one of the seminal tracks ... DJ Zinc's "138 Trek" is a damn nice song. Still my favorite UK garage track. MJ Cole's "True Slum King" and "Desperado" are also really nice songs. I kinda like the beats. But your average American dancefloor reacts worse to it than DnB. Just too abstract. I see it more as an improvement in a downtempo area, than an evolution from speed garage. It's more along the lines of broken beat - West London kinda stuff. Jazzy chillout music. And as such, it's a nice evolution to come to that scene, the downtempo scene. I wouldn't play 2 Step at a hardcore club, alongside stuff like speed garage, techno, or jungle. It's weak sauce compared to that stuff. But at a 10am poolside after party, it's kinda nice. Speed garage is still around, though. I mean, the Stanton Warriors are just starting to blow up over here (US) ... The new Freestylers has a couple of nice speed garage tracks on it ... Long live speed garage, all I have to say. C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach Hoon" <sorted@saturn5.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <Mediadrome@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [idm] 2 step (ot)

quoted 38 lines ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd

> > ok i'll admit it. i was a speed garage dj. back in madison, wisconsin, i'd > been playing techno, house, d'n'b, and was bored with it all, till i found > a 12" of that loop da loop mix of 'love commandments'. hard, driving 4/4 > beat! huge d'n'b-style bassline! weird-ass time stretchy samples and > things! i could have done without the cheese vocals, but i loved it all > the same, and was hooked. i special ordered as much speed garage as i > could...after a few months i noticed all the b-sides to the records i was > buying were these 'breakbeat' mixes with cheeseball house organ lines and > even more horrendous skippy vocal samples than the tracks on the > a-side...this, apparently, was the infancy of '2step' (people around me > were calling it uk garage at the time)...pretty soon the b-sides became > the a-sides, and all i could find for speed garage records were horrid 4/4 > mixes of ukgarage/2step tracks. gone were the huge dark basslines and fast > driving beats, replaced with bubbly boring bass, and that skippy > 'oontz-kak-buh-kakkak' beat. this was followed by all the uk pirates and > even some mainstream radio stations starting to play it, terrible r&b > songs getting bootlegged into even more terrible 2step tracks, the 2step > blowup in the uk, and now the trickledown of it over here in the US. i > relocated to san francisco about 4 years ago, and have watched a number of > really good local d'n'b djs jump the jungle ship and start playing what > i've come to call poostep...oh well. i sit here under my grumpy umbrella, > waiting for this unfortunate storm to pass. like when one of my closest > pals got deeply and inexplicably into happy hardcore. heh. > > admittedly, i've heard a few good 2step tracks: stuff on domu's new record > 'up and down', an aromabar remix i forget the details of, some things on > svek that sound like 2step and tech-house humping... > > but i suppose i'd like to hear from someone who actually likes 2step. tell > me: why? what's the appeal to you? is there anybody out there? > > -z > > > On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Rich wrote: > > > I am from the UK and two-step has been done to death here. I must admit

I'm

quoted 2 lines not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of

> > not it's greatest fan, cause the artists have ripped off every piece of > > Dance history we know, sampling and screwing it up. Most real dance

fans

quoted 2 lines (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too

> > (IMHO) in the UK will steer clear of it, mainly because it went far too > > commercial. Stick to D'n'B, it's much better. As for conventions, I

think

quoted 1 line that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather

> > that the rhythms are mainly concentrated into every two steps (rather

than

quoted 1 line four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite

> > four as in House and most other forms), so breaks and stops are quite

common

quoted 3 lines (and irritating).

> > (and irritating). > > > > Maybe you may hear something different, but I think it was a bad idea

made

quoted 5 lines worse....

> > worse.... > > > > All IMHO > > > > Also - Commercial Hit? It's the only reason 2-step got popular was by

hype,

quoted 1 line media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is

> > media manipulation and suckers paying $$$ for recycled crap. 2-step is

the

quoted 1 line only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples,

> > only scene I know of to re-release a record with a few extra samples,

and it

quoted 11 lines was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever....

> > was still popular..... Call it commercialism, call it whatever.... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Mediadrome@aol.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:04 PM > > Subject: [idm] 2 step > > > > > > > Anybody here know anything about 2 step? I haven't heard much of

it.

quoted 1 line What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions

> > > What I've heard sounds jungly and d&b. Are there any conventions

to

quoted 34 lines the

> > the > > > 2 step (like in house, you get claps on the 2nd and 4th beat)? Are > > there > > > any particular dance steps? > > > Is it a commercial hit in the UK? > > > > > > thanks > > > mediadrome > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > - > zach hoon > zach@iamzach.com > http://www.iamzach.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Who cares! so what's next then 2 step electronica...boring! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

[Michael Morris <contact@mozonline.com>]

quoted 4 lines I think red hot car is supposed to be a parody of garage... the funny thing

> I think red hot car is supposed to be a parody of garage... the funny thing > is, in under 5 minutes, Squarepusher has just completely perfected the > genre, that song is better than any garage created by the 'experts' like > Artful Dodger and others.

That's a pretty silly thing to say- that's like people who always used to insist that Squarepusher made better jungle than any jungle producers. You can't tell me "My Red Hot Car" is better than "Re-wind." Heh. Anyway, I really like some two-step. About 95% of it is terrible, but there is definitely some good stuff out there. Check out http://www.heavyweightsound.com/ for some tracks and mixes. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, atomly wrote:

quoted 12 lines [Michael Morris <contact@mozonline.com>]

> [Michael Morris <contact@mozonline.com>] > > I think red hot car is supposed to be a parody of garage... the funny thing > > is, in under 5 minutes, Squarepusher has just completely perfected the > > genre, that song is better than any garage created by the 'experts' like > > Artful Dodger and others. > > That's a pretty silly thing to say- that's like people who always used > to insist that Squarepusher made better jungle than any jungle > producers. > > You can't tell me "My Red Hot Car" is better than "Re-wind." Heh. >

Err. Yes I can. Re-wind is pretty cheesy. 2-step as listening music, is in general, disappointing. Like drum&bass, or techno for that matter, it's best in its intended setting -- in a club, played by a skilled dj. It's unfair to judge music that is purpose built for one context when it doesn't stand up in another. Well you can, but no one complains when their snowblower doesn't rake leaves very well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The other day on soulseek I heard someone say Squarepusher's "red hot car" is two-step, after which I protested loudly - or is that the general idea, that it fits nicely alongside Craig David, the Artful Dodger and alike? --Jan! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

when 'red hot car' came out i heard all sorts of djs were tossing it into their 2step or 'nu-breaks' sets. typically it mixed easily, and got more people moving than most of the other tracks in their sets. first time i heard it i had no idea it was squarepusher...so yeah, i'd say it qualifies as 2step... somewhat related, listening to 'go plastic', a good number of the tracks on it use some of the same samples as speed garage did/does. that's part of the reason i like it so much. heh. the 2nd or 3rd track lifts a huge part of the vocal lick that double99 used in 'ripgroove' and smushes it up into something nice and squarepushery... -z On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Jan! wrote:

quoted 14 lines The other day on soulseek I heard someone say Squarepusher's "red hot

> The other day on soulseek I heard someone say Squarepusher's "red hot > car" is two-step, after which I protested loudly - or is that the > general idea, that it fits nicely alongside Craig David, the Artful > Dodger and alike? > > --Jan! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines The other day on soulseek I heard someone say Squarepusher's "red hot

> The other day on soulseek I heard someone say Squarepusher's "red hot > car" is two-step, after which I protested loudly - or is that the > general idea, that it fits nicely alongside Craig David, the Artful > Dodger and alike?

Strangely enough, I think that was the point. Look at the timing of the IDM stalwart albums. "I Care Because You Do" came in 95, after trip hop was well established. "Lunatic Harness" came after D&B was mainstreamish. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

question: i've heard people on this list refer to sqrpshr's "my red hot car/cock" as 2-step - is this true? because i love the beats. perfect dancing tempo imho, yet fucked up enough to be "intelligent." is there other "2-step" (or anything else) out there that sounds like this? thx, nub ps. where the hell did ulrich schnauss come from and why does he kick so much ass? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Zach Hoon: but i suppose i'd like to hear from someone who actually likes 2step. tell me: why? what's the appeal to you? is there anybody out there? -- Well its a pretty mixed bag like anything else. Theres stuff I like and stuff I don't. What I like about it in a general sense is the same stuff I liked about jungle. Theres the same dub type bass and focus on groove. Theres the emphasis on doing nifty stuff with beats. Theres all the disparate flava and vibes that get brought in via the samples and vocals. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Could you recommend any of 'dark & tough two step ? Sounds interesting Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine"

quoted 7 lines it's getting big here in san

>it's getting big here in san >francisco, but it still seems a bit underground, and very closely tied >with the d'n'b scene. usually it's a 2step dj or 2 as an opener at some of >the d'n'b club nights, then the d'n'b guys play. and there are a couple of >2step weeklies in the smaller clubs that i'll never ever go to as >well...but for the most part sf is still a house/trance (er, >'progressive'?) town.

zach, before dissing the two-step weeklies you should check them out. mikebee -- a former jungle dj who shifted to two-step because jungle just got tired, in his opinion -- and jason greer do the excellent night bottomheavy at the top (though last night they had blame, in a return to their jungle roots). admittedly it's not a straight two-step night, but that's one of the ways the genre works best, i think, mixed in with leftfield house, breaks, broken beat etc. there are a slew of similar nights and even more oneoffs, many recently at buzz 9 in soma. i play at movida lounge a couple saturdays a month, and typically play dark & tough two-step, since the yuppies there don't seem to notice or care what you play. monty luke's another dj to check out -- he plays on a more soulful tip, with a lot of 4x4 UKG, but mixes in house and broken beat alike. philip sherburne contributing editor, neumu https://www.neumu.net/needledrops --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines it's getting big here in san

>it's getting big here in san >francisco, but it still seems a bit underground, and very closely tied >with the d'n'b scene. usually it's a 2step dj or 2 as an opener at some of >the d'n'b club nights, then the d'n'b guys play. and there are a couple of >2step weeklies in the smaller clubs that i'll never ever go to as >well...but for the most part sf is still a house/trance (er, >'progressive'?) town.

zach, before dissing the two-step weeklies you should check them out. mikebee -- a former jungle dj who shifted to two-step because jungle just got tired, in his opinion -- and jason greer do the excellent night bottomheavy at the top (though last night they had blame, in a return to their jungle roots). admittedly it's not a straight two-step night, but that's one of the ways the genre works best, i think, mixed in with leftfield house, breaks, broken beat etc. there are a slew of similar nights and even more oneoffs, many recently at buzz 9 in soma. i play at movida lounge a couple saturdays a month, and typically play dark & tough two-step, since the yuppies there don't seem to notice or care what you play. monty luke's another dj to check out -- he plays on a more soulful tip, with a lot of 4x4 UKG, but mixes in house and broken beat alike. philip sherburne contributing editor, neumu https://www.neumu.net/needledrops

On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Philip Sherburne wrote:

quoted 8 lines it's getting big here in san

> >it's getting big here in san > >francisco, but it still seems a bit underground, and very closely tied > >with the d'n'b scene. usually it's a 2step dj or 2 as an opener at some of > >the d'n'b club nights, then the d'n'b guys play. and there are a couple of > >2step weeklies in the smaller clubs that i'll never ever go to as > >well...but for the most part sf is still a house/trance (er, > >'progressive'?) town. >

quoted 1 line zach, before dissing the two-step weeklies you should check them out.

> zach, before dissing the two-step weeklies you should check them out.

not dissing, just saying i won't go. and i suppose i should have said 2step weeklies that i'll never ever go to -again-. oops. i'm really not the type to write anything off without giving it a couple chances at least. i've heard all kinds of 2step, in both the home listening and the club setting. like i said, some of the stuff i like, but i don't like it nearly enough to put down $ for cover and drinks and a few hours of music that i just, overall, don't like that much.

quoted 4 lines mikebee -- a former jungle dj who shifted to two-step because jungle

> mikebee -- a former jungle dj who shifted to two-step because jungle > just got tired, in his opinion -- and jason greer do the excellent > night bottomheavy at the top (though last night they had blame, in a > return to their jungle roots).

yeah i've checked out bottomheavy. was there last night for the blame show, in fact. good stuff. but when it comes down to it, i liked hearing mikebee much more when he was playing d'n'b. just like a whole bunch of people liked hearing me much more when i was playing hard techno or downtempo instead of speed garage. heh.

quoted 9 lines admittedly it's not a straight two-step

> admittedly it's not a straight two-step > night, but that's one of the ways the genre works best, i think, mixed > in with leftfield house, breaks, broken beat etc. there are a slew of > similar nights and even more oneoffs, many recently at buzz 9 in soma. > i play at movida lounge a couple saturdays a month, and typically play > dark & tough two-step, since the yuppies there don't seem to notice or > care what you play. monty luke's another dj to check out -- he plays > on a more soulful tip, with a lot of 4x4 UKG, but mixes in house and > broken beat alike.

i'm familiar with all the above, for the most part. i've probably heard you play, actually. movida's around the corner from my place, and sometimes becomes the default choice, despite the crowd there, which i don't really like. big glasses of beer tho, those are #1. you're right, no one there seems to care what kind of music's being played. and the setup of the place, 1st time i went there i didn't even know there was a dj playing till i got up to use the bathroom. hrm. when it comes down to it, i just can't tolerate a whole set of 2step. mixing it up a little with some house, etc, that makes it a little better. but i'd still be much more likely to go to a d'n'b, downtempo, hard techno, or idm club, or an indierawk show or something. or digital underground. drink up all the hennesey ya got on ya shelf. wait, what was my point again? oh yeah. big glasses of beer are #1. -z --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines i'm familiar with all the above, for the most part. i've probably heard

> i'm familiar with all the above, for the most part. i've probably heard > you play, actually. movida's around the corner from my place, and > sometimes becomes the default choice, despite the crowd there, which i > don't really like. big glasses of beer tho, those are #1. you're right, no > one there seems to care what kind of music's being played. and the setup > of the place, 1st time i went there i didn't even know there was a dj > playing till i got up to use the bathroom. hrm.

Same ting happened to me recently at the Movida, I heard an old Treasure Isle rocksteady dub number and was thinking: wow! that's some CD selection the bar has, until I had to use the bathroom I'd no idea there was a dj there.. -i __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Like I said in my other post, check out www.dubplate.net and listen through the sound samples. I pretty much swear by anything on Bingo Beats, Tempa, ShelfLife (although this has a lighter, more electro feel), Soulja, Sidewinder, Ghost, etc. And don't miss Maddslinky's (aka Zed Bias, one of the best in this genre) stuff on Sirkus -- absolutely devastating bass pressure. I've written two recent columns gushing with enthusiasm for the stuff, if anyone's interested: http://www.neumu.net/needledrops/data/00017_needledrops.shtml http://www.neumu.net/needledrops/data/00014_needledrops.shtml Cheers Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "component" <component@mindstorm.com> To: "Philip Sherburne" <psherburne@mindspring.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [idm] 2 step (ot)

quoted 7 lines Could you recommend any of 'dark & tough two step ? Sounds interesting

> Could you recommend any of 'dark & tough two step ? Sounds interesting > > Rob > ::::::Component Records::::::: > Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 > www.componentrecords.com > Out Now: Neutronic-"The Mutation Engine"

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quoted 1 line You can't tell me "My Red Hot Car" is better than "Re-wind." Heh.

> You can't tell me "My Red Hot Car" is better than "Re-wind." Heh.

Uh, yes. Yes, it is. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Tangentially apropos 2-step (heh), somebody posted this today to the 2-step list: http://home.dal.net/garagemusic/2step.html [Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>]

quoted 1 line Err. Yes I can. Re-wind is pretty cheesy.

> Err. Yes I can. Re-wind is pretty cheesy.

Hence my "heh" after that. :)

quoted 3 lines 2-step as listening music, is in general, disappointing. Like

> 2-step as listening music, is in general, disappointing. Like > drum&bass, or techno for that matter, it's best in its intended > setting -- in a club, played by a skilled dj.

I do really prefer to listen to techno and dnb in clubs, but it's definitely good for listening too. I often find myself listening to old Metalheadz (especially Doc Scott) just for listening.

quoted 3 lines It's unfair to judge music that is purpose built for one context when

> It's unfair to judge music that is purpose built for one context when > it doesn't stand up in another. Well you can, but no one complains > when their snowblower doesn't rake leaves very well.

Very beautiful analogy. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hi!

quoted 1 line Just be sure to avoid single-artist albums: MJ Cole, Wookie, and esp.

> Just be sure to avoid single-artist albums: MJ Cole, Wookie, and esp.

Artful

quoted 1 line Dodgy (except their mix albums).

> Dodgy (except their mix albums).

It's 100% not IDM (even related), but i do like MJ Cole - Sincere & Artful Dodger - It's All About The Stragglers. It's pop, but it's cool. If you want some experiments, then try Mondo Grosso - acid-jazzy uk garage :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org