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2000-09-18 23:33Andrew Hime [idm] I find myself almost agreeing with Tonya Headon
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2000-09-18 23:33Andrew HimeTuesday, July 4, 2000 I HATE DJs Every one of them. From your great-uncle who tries to spi
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Tuesday, July 4, 2000 I HATE DJs Every one of them. From your great-uncle who tries to spin Rush's "Tom Sawyer" over Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" (the unholy din created being only marginally better than the originals), to the big international brandname DJ's and their coke-stained slipmatts, to the guy you went to school with who's changed his name to "Mike-E-Blunt" or something equally ridiculous so he can pull chicks (Yeah mate, I remember you from school, and the cologne you're wearing doesn't hide the fact that you still smell). There's no art to being a DJ, and there's a craft only in the sense that some DJs are less actively insulting than others. They talk about "taking listeners on a journey", but they really mean that they've created the musical equivalent of cheap air-travel: no breaks once you start, no choices about the "entertainment" you're given, no escape from the unpleasant people jammed in around you and a vague suspicion that the guy at the front smiling down at everyone and making weird arm motions is demonstrating the use of a life jacket. They wax poetic about "educating" their listeners, but all you really learn from one of their sets is that drugs will make anything bearable, and that thirty quid is seriously too much money to have to pay to see a man who can't even play an instrument. They talk about revealing something of themselves through the records they play, but I'd like to see one of them have the guts to spin their favourite Journey record and reveal their geeky adolescence. And they are all geeks - the "jockey" in their honorific is accurate insofar as they are all short and whiny, and they all ride to glory on the back of a winner created by someone else. Almost worse are the silly fools (drugfiends and journalists mostly, although that's really just one category) who rave on about some wanker's ability to play two records at once: "He was like liquid lightning, maaaaan! His hands were unleashing musical metallurgy to alchemise the blood of his willing captives!" If ecstasy is the happy drug, why do all these crank writers sound like they've been party to some awful voodoo ceremony gone wrong? I'm sorry, but the truth is that beatmixing - ie. playing two records, both in 4/4 time, both with four beats to the bar, simultaneously - is as easy as falling off a log. It's almost as easy as catching a nasty STD from one of these guys (I once had a friend who went down that sorry path. She now spends her entire time in a bath tiled with sandpaper). As for turntablists, well, if I wanted to hear meaningless snippets of songs lost in interminable stretches of irritating noise, I'd just keep flicking the tuner on my radio and save myself the bother. The only thing that stops me popping off the lot of them right now is a slight case of indecision. Which is worse? Those who make the crappy records or those who spin them together so that the terrible noise need never end? Perhaps I should pack some extra rounds of ammunition... Tanya Headon | dis/agree? | 7/4/2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-19 00:01alland.byalloand then there's mark farina. a. ---------------------------------------------------------
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2000-09-19 09:26Chad> I HATE DJs > Every one of them. Does this include turntablizm? I believe that these guys
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quoted 2 lines I HATE DJs> I HATE DJs > Every one of them.
Does this include turntablizm? I believe that these guys are the true DJ's and say what you will but the deks are one seriously hard (for turntablism) instument to master and take many years. Plus the trained ear the see is this record can match with that record (aka. Dj ShadoW). :::::::: "Turntablist: One who uses the phonograph turntable as a component to make music as well as an instrument to literally play music." (Official ITF Newsletter, 1996.) "If you listen to Herbie Hancock's 'Rockit' today, he's a vital part of the song and if you take his scratches out then something's missing. I always knew the turntable was a musical instrument but to me he was the first one to prove it." (Rob Swift, Interviewed by Bevan Jee, Bomb Australia, 1997.) "With a...phonograph it is now possible to control...any one of these sounds and give to it rhythms within or beyond the reach of imagination. Given...four phonographs we can compose and perform a quartet for explosive motor, wind, heartbeat, and landslide." ("The Future of Music: Credo" by John Cage, 1937.) "Using multiple turntables Schaeffer would cue desired sounds from existing recordings...His only means for altering the sounds of the discs were through changing the speeds of the turntables, creating repeating loops or grooves in the disc..and adjusting the volume and playing sounds backwards." (Electronic and Experimental Music, Thomas B. Holmes, p.120.) Chops. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-18 23:37madporroand what do you do exactly? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hime" <hime1@gte.ne
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and what do you do exactly? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hime" <hime1@gte.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: [idm] I find myself almost agreeing with Tonya Headon
quoted 54 lines Tuesday, July 4, 2000> Tuesday, July 4, 2000 > I HATE DJs > Every one of them. From your great-uncle who tries to spin Rush's "Tom > Sawyer" over Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" (the unholy din created being only > marginally better than the originals), to the big international brandname > DJ's and their coke-stained slipmatts, to the guy you went to school with > who's changed his name to "Mike-E-Blunt" or something equally ridiculous so > he can pull chicks (Yeah mate, I remember you from school, and the cologne > you're wearing doesn't hide the fact that you still smell). > > There's no art to being a DJ, and there's a craft only in the sense that > some DJs are less actively insulting than others. They talk about "taking > listeners on a journey", but they really mean that they've created the > musical equivalent of cheap air-travel: no breaks once you start, no choices > about the "entertainment" you're given, no escape from the unpleasant people > jammed in around you and a vague suspicion that the guy at the front smiling > down at everyone and making weird arm motions is demonstrating the use of a > life jacket. They wax poetic about "educating" their listeners, but all you > really learn from one of their sets is that drugs will make anything > bearable, and that thirty quid is seriously too much money to have to pay to > see a man who can't even play an instrument. They talk about revealing > something of themselves through the records they play, but I'd like to see > one of them have the guts to spin their favourite Journey record and reveal > their geeky adolescence. And they are all geeks - the "jockey" in their > honorific is accurate insofar as they are all short and whiny, and they all > ride to glory on the back of a winner created by someone else. > > Almost worse are the silly fools (drugfiends and journalists mostly, > although that's really just one category) who rave on about some wanker's > ability to play two records at once: "He was like liquid lightning, maaaaan! > His hands were unleashing musical metallurgy to alchemise the blood of his > willing captives!" If ecstasy is the happy drug, why do all these crank > writers sound like they've been party to some awful voodoo ceremony gone > wrong? I'm sorry, but the truth is that beatmixing - ie. playing two > records, both in 4/4 time, both with four beats to the bar, simultaneously - > is as easy as falling off a log. It's almost as easy as catching a nasty STD > from one of these guys (I once had a friend who went down that sorry path. > She now spends her entire time in a bath tiled with sandpaper). As for > turntablists, well, if I wanted to hear meaningless snippets of songs lost > in interminable stretches of irritating noise, I'd just keep flicking the > tuner on my radio and save myself the bother. > > The only thing that stops me popping off the lot of them right now is a > slight case of indecision. Which is worse? Those who make the crappy records > or those who spin them together so that the terrible noise need never end? > Perhaps I should pack some extra rounds of ammunition... > Tanya Headon | dis/agree? | 7/4/2000 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2000-09-19 00:24Andrew Schrock> and what do you do exactly? This Tanya person keeps up a web page detailing exactly what
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quoted 1 line and what do you do exactly?> and what do you do exactly?
This Tanya person keeps up a web page detailing exactly what she music she hates, which is just about everything. Nothing much more needs to be said about her, as she's the living, breathing flamebait. A while ago somebody posted a link to her rant on "techno" music, or somesuch. Please. She's amusing and all, but I'm sure your time is more valuable than to waste it reading her rants. Andrew -- -| Andrew Schrock | aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu |- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-19 03:00c*nf*rmit4_i5_5ex4On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Andrew Schrock wrote: > This Tanya person keeps up a web page detaili
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Andrew Schrock wrote:
quoted 7 lines This Tanya person keeps up a web page detailing exactly what she music she> This Tanya person keeps up a web page detailing exactly what she music she > hates, which is just about everything. Nothing much more needs to be said > about her, as she's the living, breathing flamebait. > > A while ago somebody posted a link to her rant on "techno" music, or > somesuch. Please. She's amusing and all, but I'm sure your time is more > valuable than to waste it reading her rants.
not to mention this list. at least she is funny. er, wait... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-19 01:21deorum@iag.netCompulsive whiner..... Perhaps she should shoot herself in the head with her extra rounds
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Compulsive whiner..... Perhaps she should shoot herself in the head with her extra rounds of ammo and be done with it. If you don't like it, stop listening to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hime To: idm@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: [idm] I find myself almost agreeing with Tonya Headon Tuesday, July 4, 2000 I HATE DJs Every one of them. From your great-uncle who tries to spin Rush's "Tom Sawyer" over Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" (the unholy din created being only marginally better than the originals), to the big international brandname DJ's and their coke-stained slipmatts, to the guy you went to school with who's changed his name to "Mike-E-Blunt" or something equally ridiculous so he can pull chicks (Yeah mate, I remember you from school, and the cologne you're wearing doesn't hide the fact that you still smell). There's no art to being a DJ, and there's a craft only in the sense that some DJs are less actively insulting than others. They talk about "taking listeners on a journey", but they really mean that they've created the musical equivalent of cheap air-travel: no breaks once you start, no choices about the "entertainment" you're given, no escape from the unpleasant people jammed in around you and a vague suspicion that the guy at the front smiling down at everyone and making weird arm motions is demonstrating the use of a life jacket. They wax poetic about "educating" their listeners, but all you really learn from one of their sets is that drugs will make anything bearable, and that thirty quid is seriously too much money to have to pay to see a man who can't even play an instrument. They talk about revealing something of themselves through the records they play, but I'd like to see one of them have the guts to spin their favourite Journey record and reveal their geeky adolescence. And they are all geeks - the "jockey" in their honorific is accurate insofar as they are all short and whiny, and they all ride to glory on the back of a winner created by someone else. Almost worse are the silly fools (drugfiends and journalists mostly, although that's really just one category) who rave on about some wanker's ability to play two records at once: "He was like liquid lightning, maaaaan! His hands were unleashing musical metallurgy to alchemise the blood of his willing captives!" If ecstasy is the happy drug, why do all these crank writers sound like they've been party to some awful voodoo ceremony gone wrong? I'm sorry, but the truth is that beatmixing - ie. playing two records, both in 4/4 time, both with four beats to the bar, simultaneously - is as easy as falling off a log. It's almost as easy as catching a nasty STD from one of these guys (I once had a friend who went down that sorry path. She now spends her entire time in a bath tiled with sandpaper). As for turntablists, well, if I wanted to hear meaningless snippets of songs lost in interminable stretches of irritating noise, I'd just keep flicking the tuner on my radio and save myself the bother. The only thing that stops me popping off the lot of them right now is a slight case of indecision. Which is worse? Those who make the crappy records or those who spin them together so that the terrible noise need never end? Perhaps I should pack some extra rounds of ammunition... Tanya Headon | dis/agree? | 7/4/2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-09-19 01:25Josh Davisonsee, it's funny... some of y'all need to lighten up and take a joke in stride... PLUR jaws
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see, it's funny... some of y'all need to lighten up and take a joke in stride... PLUR jawsh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 deorum@iag.net wrote:
quoted 6 lines Compulsive whiner..... Perhaps she should shoot herself in the head with her extra rounds > Compulsive whiner..... Perhaps she should shoot herself in the head with her extra rounds of ammo and be done with it. If you don't like it, stop listening to it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Hime > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:33 PM > Subject: [idm] I find myself almost agreeing with Tonya Headon
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