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Despite my empathy for his current situation I've never been able to get in to Venetian Snares nor Squarepusher. Both leave me kind of cold. I respect the effort they put into their music but it just doesn't do anything for me at all. - Chang Terhune ------------------------------------------------------------ "I don't think a great book has yet been written on computer." - JG Ballard Writer, Yogi, Musician. Not necessarily in that order http://www.changterhune.com http://twitter.com/bigbadchang crt@crtdot.com On Aug 28, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Faraz Masroor wrote:

quoted 5 lines We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interes

> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a thread for stuff you don't like? > > I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. > > Faraz

Chang Terhune, I see your post (and mine, but not mark's) twice.  Anyway, yeah I find drill and bass not my thing, its gotta be soothing and make sense at least! That's why I love arovane so much. Not so much aarlenpeers but teh rest of his work is awesome. Anyway another artist i want to add to the list is Pole, I haven't heard him in a while but when I did I found it very boring, and lots of his songs sound the same. Maybe I'll have to give it a few more listens.  On Friday, August 28, 2015 9:20 PM, Chang Terhune <crt@crtdot.com> wrote: Despite my empathy for his current situation I've never been able to get in to Venetian Snares nor Squarepusher. Both leave me kind of cold. I respect the effort they put into their music but it just doesn't do anything for me at all. - Chang Terhune ------------------------------------------------------------ "I don't think a great book has yet been written on computer." - JG Ballard Writer, Yogi, Musician.Not necessarily in that order http://www.changterhune.comhttp://twitter.com/bigbadchangcrt@crtdot.com On Aug 28, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Faraz Masroor wrote: We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a thread for stuff you don't like? I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better.  Faraz

I will say that squarepushers new album turned me. Particularly after reading a bit about the software he made to make the album. Otherwise I agree. Also, I'm new to this service, so hi. I'm Ben. thanks, ben majoy (mobile)

quoted 36 lines On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Chang Terhune, I see your post (and mine, but not mark's) twice. > > Anyway, yeah I find drill and bass not my thing, its gotta be soothing and make sense at least! That's why I love arovane so much. Not so much aarlenpeers but teh rest of his work is awesome. Anyway another artist i want to add to the list is Pole, I haven't heard him in a while but when I did I found it very boring, and lots of his songs sound the same. Maybe I'll have to give it a few more listens. > > > > On Friday, August 28, 2015 9:20 PM, Chang Terhune <crt@crtdot.com> wrote: > > > Despite my empathy for his current situation I've never been able to get in to Venetian Snares nor Squarepusher. Both leave me kind of cold. I respect the effort they put into their music but it just doesn't do anything for me at all. > > - Chang Terhune > ------------------------------------------------------------ > "I don't think a great book has yet been written on computer." - JG Ballard > > Writer, Yogi, Musician. > Not necessarily in that order > http://www.changterhune.com > http://twitter.com/bigbadchang > crt@crtdot.com > > > > >> On Aug 28, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Faraz Masroor wrote: >> >> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a thread for stuff you don't like? >> >> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >> >> Faraz > > >

Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... Hell is the limit ! On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new

> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new > releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a > thread for stuff you don't like? > > I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs > are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't > listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. > > Faraz >

Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. From: Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM To: Faraz Masroor Cc: Idm List Subject: Re: IDM you don't like Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... Hell is the limit ! On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a thread for stuff you don't like? I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. Faraz

this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self indulgent' to people heh i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote:

quoted 42 lines Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent

> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent > and extremely boring acoustic stuff. > > > > And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. > > > > *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM > *To:* Faraz Masroor > *Cc:* Idm List > *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like > > > > Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... > > Hell is the limit ! > > > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new > releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a > thread for stuff you don't like? > > > > I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs > are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't > listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. > > > > Faraz > > >

I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 65 lines this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of

> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of > albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's > bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his > music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are > sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self > indulgent' to people heh > i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect me > listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved > big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, > but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the > issues i had with ufabulum... > i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original or > interesting about ANYTHING he's done" > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> > wrote: > >> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >> >> >> >> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >> >> >> >> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >> *To:* Faraz Masroor >> *Cc:* Idm List >> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >> >> >> >> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >> >> Hell is the limit ! >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >> thread for stuff you don't like? >> >> >> >> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >> >> >> >> Faraz >> >> >> > >

the steely dan of techno Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 75 lines I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is

> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is > Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. > Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely > boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! > > We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name > "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of >> albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's >> bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >> indulgent' to people heh >> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect >> me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved >> big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, >> but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the >> issues i had with ufabulum... >> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original or >> interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >> wrote: >> >>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>> *Cc:* Idm List >>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>> >>> >>> >>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>> >>> Hell is the limit ! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >>> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >>> thread for stuff you don't like? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >>> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >>> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>> >>> >>> >>> Faraz >>> >>> >>> >> >>

as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 85 lines the steely dan of techno

> the steely dan of techno > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is >> Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. >> Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely >> boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >> >> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of >>> albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's >>> bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >>> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >>> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>> indulgent' to people heh >>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect >>> me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved >>> big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, >>> but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the >>> issues i had with ufabulum... >>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original or >>> interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>> >>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >>>> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >>>> thread for stuff you don't like? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >>>> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >>>> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Faraz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >

go back tom do it again Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 89 lines as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should not

> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should not > try to fit a square peg in a round hole! > On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> the steely dan of techno >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music >>> Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. >>> Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely >>> boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>> >>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of >>>> albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's >>>> bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >>>> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >>>> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>>> indulgent' to people heh >>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect >>>> me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved >>>> big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, >>>> but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the >>>> issues i had with ufabulum... >>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original >>>> or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>> >>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor < >>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >>>>> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >>>>> thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >>>>> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >>>>> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faraz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>

I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to individual tracks). Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 101 lines go back

> go back > tom > do it again > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> the steely dan of techno >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music >>>> Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. >>>> Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely >>>> boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>> >>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of >>>>> albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's >>>>> bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >>>>> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >>>>> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>>>> indulgent' to people heh >>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of >>>>> it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought >>>>> ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which >>>>> basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original >>>>> or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor < >>>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >>>>>> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >>>>>> thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >>>>>> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >>>>>> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faraz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >

yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a bad thing? also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are NOT self indulgent? (name some i bet they all are) anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 116 lines I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did

> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did > had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with > the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen > to individual tracks). > > Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... even > for the stuff that was more classified as pop. > > > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> go back >> tom >> do it again >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> the steely dan of techno >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music >>>>> Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. >>>>> Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely >>>>> boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>> >>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot >>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of >>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES >>>>>> his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys >>>>>> are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>>>>> indulgent' to people heh >>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of >>>>>> it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought >>>>>> ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which >>>>>> basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original >>>>>> or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>>>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor < >>>>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new >>>>>>> releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a >>>>>>> thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new >>>>>>> songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't >>>>>>> listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >

There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music. Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike anything else. Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM example, and even then that's subjective. It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow your muse, and the result sucks. On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 131 lines yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a

> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a > bad thing? > also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are > NOT self indulgent? > (name some i bet they all are) > > anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did >> had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with >> the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen >> to individual tracks). >> >> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... >> even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> go back >>> tom >>> do it again >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >>>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> the steely dan of techno >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like >>>>>> "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list >>>>>> hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>>> >>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot >>>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of >>>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES >>>>>>> his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys >>>>>>> are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>>>>>> indulgent' to people heh >>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of >>>>>>> it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought >>>>>>> ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which >>>>>>> basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING >>>>>>> original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor < >>>>>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, >>>>>>>> new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how >>>>>>>> about a thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his >>>>>>>> new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I >>>>>>>> haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares! Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 149 lines There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music.

> There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music. > Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all > the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well > it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes > 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike > anything else. > > Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a > good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM > example, and even then that's subjective. > > It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else > will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow > your muse, and the result sucks. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a >> bad thing? >> also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are >> NOT self indulgent? >> (name some i bet they all are) >> >> anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did >>> had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with >>> the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen >>> to individual tracks). >>> >>> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... >>> even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> go back >>>> tom >>>> do it again >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff < >>>> meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >>>>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> the steely dan of techno >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like >>>>>>> "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list >>>>>>> hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot >>>>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of >>>>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES >>>>>>>> his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys >>>>>>>> are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self >>>>>>>> indulgent' to people heh >>>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of >>>>>>>> it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought >>>>>>>> ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which >>>>>>>> basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING >>>>>>>> original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop < >>>>>>>> mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Idm List >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor < >>>>>>>>> faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, >>>>>>>>> new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how >>>>>>>>> about a thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his >>>>>>>>> new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I >>>>>>>>> haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>

That Tycho stuff needs to GTFO

quoted 103 lines On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares! > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >> There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music. Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike anything else. >> >> Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM example, and even then that's subjective. >> >> It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow your muse, and the result sucks. >> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a bad thing? >>> also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are NOT self indulgent? >>> (name some i bet they all are) >>> >>> anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with the right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to individual tracks). >>>> >>>> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> go back >>>>> tom >>>>> do it again >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> the steely dan of techno >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self indulgent' to people heh >>>>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Idm List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about a thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>>>>> >

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Chris <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines That Tycho stuff needs to GTFO

> > > That Tycho stuff needs to GTFO

Hi, I'll step aside from the shadows for a moment to second this. Also, when I first read this mail though "yeah man, fuck bogdan raczynski" but these last days I've been hearing his newer stuff and my opinion went to "bogdan, your old stuff sucks. sincerely a random guy from teh interweb".

quoted 163 lines On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > > heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write > terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares! > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music. >> Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all >> the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well >> it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes >> 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike >> anything else. >> >> Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a >> good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM example, >> and even then that's subjective. >> >> It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else >> will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow >> your muse, and the result sucks. >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a >>> bad thing? >>> also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are >>> NOT self indulgent? >>> (name some i bet they all are) >>> >>> anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did >>>> had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with the >>>> right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to >>>> individual tracks). >>>> >>>> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... >>>> even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> go back >>>>> tom >>>>> do it again >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff >>>>> <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >>>>>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the steely dan of techno >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams >>>>>>> <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like >>>>>>>> "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list >>>>>>>> hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>>>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot >>>>>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of >>>>>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >>>>>>>>> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >>>>>>>>> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self indulgent' >>>>>>>>> to people heh >>>>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i >>>>>>>>> loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was >>>>>>>>> eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the >>>>>>>>> issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING >>>>>>>>> original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop >>>>>>>>> <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Idm List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>>> <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, >>>>>>>>>> new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about >>>>>>>>>> a thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his >>>>>>>>>> new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I >>>>>>>>>> haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >

no way! bogdan's early stuff was fun. On 9/3/2015 12:26 PM, Mauro wrote:

quoted 177 lines On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Chris <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Chris <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> That Tycho stuff needs to GTFO > > Hi, I'll step aside from the shadows for a moment to second this. > Also, when I first read this mail though "yeah man, fuck bogdan > raczynski" but these last days I've been hearing his newer stuff and > my opinion went to "bogdan, your old stuff sucks. sincerely a random > guy from teh interweb". > > > > >> >> On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write >> terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares! >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in music. >>> Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to explore and going all >>> the way in without worrying about how it's going to be received or how well >>> it fits standard formats. An example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes >>> 20 minute tracks. They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike >>> anything else. >>> >>> Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you aren't a >>> good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think of an IDM example, >>> and even then that's subjective. >>> >>> It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone else >>> will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence if you follow >>> your muse, and the result sucks. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being self-indulgent a >>>> bad thing? >>>> also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO like are >>>> NOT self indulgent? >>>> (name some i bet they all are) >>>> >>>> anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like him more >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is Rotted..' did >>>>> had some low points ("self indulgent" though I guess he's an artist with the >>>>> right to make what he wants and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to >>>>> individual tracks). >>>>> >>>>> Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as he was... >>>>> even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> go back >>>>>> tom >>>>>> do it again >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff >>>>>> <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex toy then? one should >>>>>>> not try to fit a square peg in a round hole! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the steely dan of techno >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams >>>>>>>> <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also like that the kind of stuff by Squarepusher I like (like >>>>>>>>> "Music Is Rotted One Note") is cited as something someone else on the list >>>>>>>>> hates. "Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff." Thanks Mark! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We do also need to start a soundcloud free account in the name >>>>>>>>> "SQUARPUSHER" and start posting wierd shit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> this is funny because in theory doesnt squarepusher .. 'push' a lot >>>>>>>>>> of albums? i mean i get the impression that second to afx he is one of >>>>>>>>>> warp's bigger electronic acts but yet every other person i talk to HATES his >>>>>>>>>> music, not just dislikes but people say stuff just like what you guys are >>>>>>>>>> sort of saying, like that his style is actually offensively 'self indulgent' >>>>>>>>>> to people heh >>>>>>>>>> i guess i kind of see this but at the same time it really doesnt >>>>>>>>>> affect me listening to the music or maybe i even enjoy that aspect of it...i >>>>>>>>>> loved big loada, hard normal daddy, damogen furies, i thought ufabulum was >>>>>>>>>> eh, but then he came out with the kcrw sessions which basically 'fixed' the >>>>>>>>>> issues i had with ufabulum... >>>>>>>>>> i dunno my one best friend says vehemently "there is NOTHING >>>>>>>>>> original or interesting about ANYTHING he's done" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark Schieldrop >>>>>>>>>> <mark@schieldrop.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Squarpusher. Never could get into his stuff, especially the >>>>>>>>>>> self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic stuff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s arguably not IDM. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Laurent Knauth [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:39 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Idm List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: IDM you don't like >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Problem with this topic is that the list is endless... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hell is the limit ! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Faraz Masroor >>>>>>>>>>> <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of discussion here about history of IDM, podcasts, >>>>>>>>>>> new releases were interested in, etc. Basically stuff we like, but how about >>>>>>>>>>> a thread for stuff you don't like? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin very interesting because his >>>>>>>>>>> new songs are unfocused and too similar to each other, kinda boring. I >>>>>>>>>>> haven't listened to SAW yet but I imagine I'll like it better. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Faraz >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>

-- Sham Beam

On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote:

quoted 1 line bogdan, your old stuff sucks

> bogdan, your old stuff sucks

that sentence just gave me cancer -- Jon Sands Fohdeesha Media http://fohdeesha.com/

i liked him when he was Karl ;) Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote:

> On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote: > >> bogdan, your old stuff sucks >> > > that sentence just gave me cancer > > -- > Jon Sands > Fohdeesha Media > http://fohdeesha.com/ > >

i have no idea who he is ;) On Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: i liked him when he was Karl ;) Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote: On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote: bogdan, your old stuff sucks that sentence just gave me cancer -- Jon Sands Fohdeesha Media http://fohdeesha.com/

http://www.amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&view=3973 funny story i used to talk to Karl occasionally on #trax back in the early 90s like 10 years later i ended up working at a company where, the guy who sat at the desk next to mine, had lived in Omaha Nebraska, with bogdan/karl, when they were kids, and was best friends with him (in Wisconsin) Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 32 lines i have no idea who he is ;)

> i have no idea who he is ;) > > > > On Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > i liked him when he was Karl ;) > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote: > > bogdan, your old stuff sucks > > > that sentence just gave me cancer > > -- > Jon Sands > Fohdeesha Media > http://fohdeesha.com/ > > > > >

Not a big fan of Arovane or late Plaid. Too cheery. I like my music huddled in a corner and sobbing :P On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 50 lines > http://www.amp.dascene.net/detail.php?detail=modules&view=3973 > > funny story > i used to talk to Karl occasionally on #trax back in the early 90s > like 10 years later i ended up working at a company where, the guy who sat > at the desk next to mine, had lived in Omaha Nebraska, with bogdan/karl, > when they were kids, and was best friends with him > (in Wisconsin) > > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Faraz Masroor <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> i have no idea who he is ;) >> >> >> >> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:34 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> i liked him when he was Karl ;) >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote: >> >> bogdan, your old stuff sucks >> >> >> that sentence just gave me cancer >> >> -- >> Jon Sands >> Fohdeesha Media >> http://fohdeesha.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:31 AM, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 7 lines On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote:

> On 9/2/2015 10:26 PM, Mauro wrote: >> >> bogdan, your old stuff sucks > > > that sentence just gave me cancer >

Oh sorry, I didn't meant to interrupt the circlejerk. j/k

quoted 5 lines --

> -- > Jon Sands > Fohdeesha Media > http://fohdeesha.com/ >

alright, i have to put on horsey noises now. On 9/3/2015 9:08 AM, Clint Anderson wrote:

quoted 197 lines heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write

> heh, 'sing an album of tracks when you arent a good singer and write > terrible lyrics' -- i can think of an example, venetian snares! > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:43 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com > <mailto:chaircrusher@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There's good self-indulgence and bad self-indulgence, at least in > music. Good self-indulgence is finding something you want to > explore and going all the way in without worrying about how it's > going to be received or how well it fits standard formats. An > example is the way Riccardo Villalobos makes 20 minute tracks. > They're not all great, but the good ones are unlike anything else. > > Bad self-indulgence would be to sing an album of tracks when you > aren't a good singer and you write terrible lyrics. I can't think > of an IDM example, and even then that's subjective. > > It's good self-indulgence when you don't think about whether anyone > else will like it, and it turns out good. It's bad self-indulgence > if you follow your muse, and the result sucks. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:27 AM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com > <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > > yeah i dunno i was thinking about that -- how is being > self-indulgent a bad thing? > also, by saying that, are you implying that the artists you DO > like are NOT self indulgent? > (name some i bet they all are) > > anyways tom being a ass that everyone hates just makes me like > him more > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Seruyange > <g3scom@gmail.com <mailto:g3scom@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I've always liked Squarepusher though stuff like 'Music Is > Rotted..' did had some low points ("self indulgent" though I > guess he's an artist with the right to make what he wants > and I can opt not to buy... or just listen to individual > tracks). > > Never liked Moby, never understood why he was as popular as > he was... even for the stuff that was more classified as pop. > > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Clint Anderson > <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > > go back > tom > do it again > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:39 PM, A. Arentia Goofinoff > <meatsock@gmail.com <mailto:meatsock@gmail.com>> wrote: > > as in squarepusher was named after a mythical sex > toy then? one should not try to fit a square peg in > a round hole! > > On Sep 1, 2015 9:23 PM, "Clint Anderson" > <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > > the steely dan of techno > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, kent williams > <chaircrusher@gmail.com > <mailto:chaircrusher@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I also like that the kind of stuff by > Squarepusher I like (like "Music Is Rotted > One Note") is cited as something someone > else on the list hates. "Squarpusher. Never > could get into his stuff, especially the > self-indulgent and extremely boring acoustic > stuff." Thanks Mark! > > We do also need to start a soundcloud free > account in the name "SQUARPUSHER" and start > posting wierd shit. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM Clint > Anderson <clinta@gmail.com > <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>> wrote: > > this is funny because in theory doesnt > squarepusher .. 'push' a lot of albums? > i mean i get the impression that > second to afx he is one of warp's bigger > electronic acts but yet every other > person i talk to HATES his music, not > just dislikes but people say stuff just > like what you guys are sort of saying, > like that his style is actually > offensively 'self indulgent' to people heh > i guess i kind of see this but at the > same time it really doesnt affect me > listening to the music or maybe i even > enjoy that aspect of it...i loved big > loada, hard normal daddy, damogen > furies, i thought ufabulum was eh, but > then he came out with the kcrw sessions > which basically 'fixed' the issues i had > with ufabulum... > i dunno my one best friend says > vehemently "there is NOTHING original or > interesting about ANYTHING he's done" > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Mark > Schieldrop <mark@schieldrop.us > <mailto:mark@schieldrop.us>> wrote: > > Squarpusher. Never could get into > his stuff, especially the > self-indulgent and extremely boring > acoustic stuff. ____ > > __ __ > > And obligatory: Moby. Though, he’s > arguably not IDM.____ > > __ __ > > *From:*Laurent Knauth > [mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com > <mailto:laurent.knauth@gmail.com>] > *Sent:* Saturday, August 29, 2015 > 3:39 AM > *To:* Faraz Masroor > *Cc:* Idm List > *Subject:* Re: IDM you don't like____ > > __ __ > > Problem with this topic is that the > list is endless...____ > > Hell is the limit !____ > > __ __ > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:53 AM, > Faraz Masroor > <faraz_masroor@yahoo.com > <mailto:faraz_masroor@yahoo.com>> > wrote:____ > > We have a lot of discussion here > about history of IDM, podcasts, new > releases were interested in, etc. > Basically stuff we like, but how > about a thread for stuff you don't > like?____ > > __ __ > > I'll start. I don't find Aphex twin > very interesting because his new > songs are unfocused and too similar > to each other, kinda boring. I > haven't listened to SAW yet but I > imagine I'll like it better. ____ > > __ __ > > Faraz____ > > __ __ > > > > > > >

-- Sham Beam