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Mitch Hilton wrote:

quoted 10 lines Hi everyone,

> > Hi everyone, > > I downloaded the above from the Bleepbloop server a while ago and it > blew me away. Can anybody hook me up with a release date, how rare it > is, and other discographical info, or a URL where I can look it up > myself? > > Thanks, > Mitch

the full details would be at the squarepusher site on warp-net. i dont think there are too many out there, not sure of the exact number. i ordered mine from one of the guys who runs the spymania label well over a year ago and i think those might have been the "last ones found in a corner" kind of thing. cl btw- its over 50 minutes on one piece of vinyl. has to be in the top 5 for crappiest sounding records i own.

In message <36A16ECA.A8971AF@enteract.com>, cl <clietz@enteract.com> writes

quoted 5 lines number. i ordered mine from one of the

>number. i ordered mine from one of the >guys who runs the spymania label well over >a year ago and i think those might have >been the "last ones found in a corner" >kind of thing.

Same here. Got mine from Hardy...and i think you're right about being the last few...

quoted 3 lines btw- its over 50 minutes on one piece of

>btw- its over 50 minutes on one piece of >vinyl. has to be in the top 5 for >crappiest sounding records i own.

Damn right....so poor quality but totally totally worth it for "Whooshki" and "Greenwidth", fantastic tracks. -- Ben Coffer http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

Hi everyone, I downloaded the above from the Bleepbloop server a while ago and it blew me away. Can anybody hook me up with a release date, how rare it is, and other discographical info, or a URL where I can look it up myself? Thanks, Mitch

On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Steve Taylor wrote:

quoted 4 lines There are possibly 1 or 2 copies of the original Squarepusher : Stereotype

> There are possibly 1 or 2 copies of the original Squarepusher : Stereotype > EP > left , id advise getting them quick before Warp buy the rights and > reissue...

Question= WHY? If Warp reissues and said EP becomes very easily available, then the music is that much easier to get ahold of. Unless spymania is currently unloading the copies at a premium, possible warp reissue is a GOOD thing, right. . .? I understand, if not sympathize with, the collector's urge to get the original, but the point was always the music, wasn't it? Just a thought. M. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's up.

quoted 25 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Korfhage [SMTP:mkorfha@linfield.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 1:01 AM > To: Steve Taylor > Cc: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: Re: (idm) Squarepusher: Stereotype EP > > > On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Steve Taylor wrote: > > > There are possibly 1 or 2 copies of the original Squarepusher : > Stereotype > > EP > > left , id advise getting them quick before Warp buy the rights and > > reissue... > > Question= WHY? If Warp reissues and said EP becomes very easily > available, then the music is that much easier to get ahold of. Unless > spymania is currently unloading the copies at a premium, possible warp > reissue is a GOOD thing, right. . .? I understand, if not sympathize > with, the collector's urge to get the original, but the point was always > the music, wasn't it? > Just a thought. > >

. Yeah that is the point, but if Warp reissue then the original will probably start selling for stupid money like that MASK bullshit, that was the point of my advice. If you want the original, buy it now. Steve

Steve Taylor wrote:

quoted 4 lines Yeah that is the point, but if Warp reissue then the

> Yeah that is the point, but if Warp reissue then the > original will probably start selling for stupid money > like that MASK bullshit, that was the point of my advice. > If you want the original, buy it now.

Am I missing something here? Is Warp reissuing MASK? Warp has nothing to do with the MASKs being so expensive. They're expensive because there are only 100-400 of each issue and probably a good 5,000 people who wish to buy them. It's simple supply and demand market economics. The top wealthiest people (or those willing to spend the most) get the MASK releases. It's simple capitalism really. If Warp re-released the MASKs the originals would be worth a lot less. So here's to hoping Warp does! That'd make a LOT of people happy (and a few people really pissed). Hell, even a CD compilation would be wicked cool! -rbc3

warp are not re-issuing mask...the point is...at some point there may be a re-issue of the stereotype e.p. this is purely hypothetical...so there is a possibility that if it was to happen, the originals would be prized more highly than the re-release...in this case, the normal supply / demand characteristics dont apply (giffen goods), the demand curve is inverted (to an extent)..... higher price, higher one-upmanship value... (im not saying this is a good thing...personally i agree that you shouldnt have to pay stupid prices just for a record with #### on it...)...but it happens... rbc3 wrote:

quoted 20 lines Steve Taylor wrote:

> Steve Taylor wrote: > > > Yeah that is the point, but if Warp reissue then the > > original will probably start selling for stupid money > > like that MASK bullshit, that was the point of my advice. > > If you want the original, buy it now. > > Am I missing something here? Is Warp reissuing MASK? Warp has > nothing to do with the MASKs being so expensive. They're expensive > because there are only 100-400 of each issue and probably a good 5,000 > people who wish to buy them. It's simple supply and demand market > economics. The top wealthiest people (or those willing to spend the > most) get the MASK releases. It's simple capitalism really. If Warp > re-released the MASKs the originals would be worth a lot less. > > So here's to hoping Warp does! That'd make a LOT of people happy (and > a few people really pissed). Hell, even a CD compilation would be > wicked cool! > > -rbc3

Free markets ain't that simple. Limited availability causes cute stuff like overpriced auctions and grey/black markets (CD-R trading/selling, MP3s) which those producing limited product always seem to bitch or laugh about ("Stop ripping us off! It ain't our fault you can't get one of the 50 copies we released didn't actually make it to any U.S. distributors"). There would be *no* controversy if there was actually a supply to meet the demand. Producers don't have a responsibility to ensure everybody gets a widget but if they complain about external effects 'caused by them not producing enough widgets to meet demand, they are daft. This has been "Capitalism for Dummies." no slag intended :-)

quoted 15 lines Am I missing something here? Is Warp reissuing MASK? Warp has

> > Am I missing something here? Is Warp reissuing MASK? Warp has > nothing to do with the MASKs being so expensive. They're expensive > because there are only 100-400 of each issue and probably a good 5,000 > people who wish to buy them. It's simple supply and demand market > economics. The top wealthiest people (or those willing to spend the > most) get the MASK releases. It's simple capitalism really. If Warp > re-released the MASKs the originals would be worth a lot less. > > So here's to hoping Warp does! That'd make a LOT of people happy (and > a few people really pissed). Hell, even a CD compilation would be > wicked cool! > > -rbc3 >

That is not the way it works. The record is rare now, and, because of that, interresting for some to own. In case of a re-release, the original will be priced higher than the re-release, but not higher than what it is today. Give me one reason for a record getting more expensive, when the music on it is more easy to acquire than before. The people who want rare records never enjoy re-releases, because their old gems aren't as unique anymore. That won't increase the prices. The people who want the songs can get them by buying the re-release. That won't increase the price. The re-release of a record can't increase the value of the original. It works the other way. Ant to comment on the MASK example: If they were avaliable for cheap money, instead of being expensive, the prices of the expensive ones would not increase. A simple example of pricing set by demand. Higher avaliability - less potential buyers per copy - lower price. p ---martin wood <martin.wood@advent-comm.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 2 lines warp are not re-issuing mask...the point is...at some point there

> > warp are not re-issuing mask...the point is...at some point there

may be a

quoted 2 lines re-issue of the stereotype e.p.

> re-issue of the stereotype e.p. > this is purely hypothetical...so there is a possibility that if it

was to

quoted 1 line happen, the originals would be prized more highly than the

> happen, the originals would be prized more highly than the

re-release...in

quoted 1 line this case, the normal supply / demand characteristics dont apply

> this case, the normal supply / demand characteristics dont apply

(giffen

quoted 3 lines goods), the demand curve is inverted (to an extent)..... higher price,

> goods), the demand curve is inverted (to an extent)..... higher price, > higher one-upmanship value... > (im not saying this is a good thing...personally i agree that you

shouldnt

quoted 16 lines have to pay stupid prices just for a record

> have to pay stupid prices just for a record > with #### on it...)...but it happens... > > > rbc3 wrote: > > > Steve Taylor wrote: > > > > > Yeah that is the point, but if Warp reissue then the > > > original will probably start selling for stupid money > > > like that MASK bullshit, that was the point of my advice. > > > If you want the original, buy it now. > > > > Am I missing something here? Is Warp reissuing MASK? Warp has > > nothing to do with the MASKs being so expensive. They're expensive > > because there are only 100-400 of each issue and probably a good

5,000

quoted 3 lines people who wish to buy them. It's simple supply and demand market

> > people who wish to buy them. It's simple supply and demand market > > economics. The top wealthiest people (or those willing to spend the > > most) get the MASK releases. It's simple capitalism really. If

Warp

quoted 3 lines re-released the MASKs the originals would be worth a lot less.

> > re-released the MASKs the originals would be worth a lot less. > > > > So here's to hoping Warp does! That'd make a LOT of people happy

(and

quoted 6 lines a few people really pissed). Hell, even a CD compilation would be

> > a few people really pissed). Hell, even a CD compilation would be > > wicked cool! > > > > -rbc3 > >

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