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quoted 2 lines 1)Is Balil just Mr Ken Downie, or am I losing it? Or was he Xeper? Just

>1)Is Balil just Mr Ken Downie, or am I losing it? Or was he Xeper? Just >working out if all the talent is in Plaid or not!!? :-)

Balil is Ed , Ken is Xeper, and Andy is Atypic.... bye rob

} >1)Is Balil just Mr Ken Downie, or am I losing it? Or was he Xeper? Just } >working out if all the talent is in Plaid or not!!? :-) } } Balil is Ed , Ken is Xeper, and Andy is Atypic.... This brings up a related question... After listening to Plaid's _Not For Threes_ I hear a lot of similarities between my favorite Black Dog album _Temple Of Transparent Balls_. This leads me to believe that Ken's input may have been minimal on that particular release. Does anyone know if that's the case or not? Just something I've been thinking about lately... E r i c F r a n s ----------------------

quoted 3 lines [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu

> [mail] franse@engr.arizona.edu > [web] engr.arizona.edu/~franse > [subvox music] www.azstarnet.com/~subvox

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GPR and Rising High are both defunct. I'm not sure what effect that has on the copyright situation, I guess it just leaves Black Dog Productions Ltd. I wonder if Warp would go so far as to announce this release unless they were pretty sure that the copyright situation was in their favour. I already have most of these tracks anyway, but I do hope that this gets released. I am sad to say that as a long term fan of The Black Dog I have lost a lot of respect for Ken because of what he has posted here. I remained to be convinced that Plaid have in any way sold out. Also, I wonder who this "we" is that he refers to. Is it the royal "we"? Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Upton <jetjag@MailAndNews.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:58 PM

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> X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 > Message-ID: <38FFAB04@MailAndNews.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.02 > Subject: RE: [idm] MORE MONKEY BUSINESS > > >===== Original Message From The Black Dog <root@dogsquad.com> ===== > > >I am not even going to lower myself by replying to this vitriolic load > >of old twaddle. If you want to repeat this shite in court......."Make > >our Day". I will remind you that the material belongs to BDP Ltd, GPR, > >and RISING HIGH. And we have ALL the original contracts to prove this. > > Hmm.. by-passing this ever-so-thrilling airing of laundry, I am curious to

see

quoted 1 line what happens court-wise. Aren't Plaid assuming that because they wrote all

> what happens court-wise. Aren't Plaid assuming that because they wrote all

the

quoted 3 lines material they have copyright over all of the recordings of it?

> material they have copyright over all of the recordings of it? > > Are there circumstances in which rights to a recording have been reclaimed

by

quoted 3 lines the authors of the composition?

> the authors of the composition? > > I can see a rather up-hill battle here on Plaid's part. Unless of course

GPR

quoted 1 line and Rising High both say "go for it".. that'd be a very interesting

> and Rising High both say "go for it".. that'd be a very interesting

situation.

quoted 14 lines Michael

> > Michael > > np. 'Let Us Play' - Coldcut (and finding it strictly mediocre..) > > -+- > Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ > -+- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I think if any of them has sold out it's Ken. Remixing for Marylin Manson, signing to Warner. I'm not one to start kicking up a fuss about that if that's what he wants to do, but to then start accusing Ed and Andy of selling out seems totally hypocritical. Also, for me, Plaid took most of what I thought was good about Black Dog with them when they split. I agree there are big differences between Ken's music and Plaid's. I'm not sure Plaid have been so consistently good as they were since the split, but tracks like Undoneson, Gellab, Dang Spot show they've still got what it takes. Not For Threes and Rest Proof Clockwork have far more high spots than Music For Adverts. Having said that, I still have yet to hear Babylon. Anyone care to describe it for me? Does it have any of that old Black Dog sound? Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: sarah ellenberger <djdesada@hotmail.com> To: <ross@tuimedia.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [idm] (idm) Black Dog/Plaid

quoted 8 lines I am sad to say that as a long term fan of The Black Dog I have

> I am sad to say that as a long term fan of The Black Dog I have > >lost a lot of respect for Ken because of what he has posted here. I > >remained > >to be convinced that Plaid have in any way sold out. > > > > wait, do you think they have or have not sold out?? unclear to me...

I

quoted 1 line too have been a long term fan of the black dog and BDP, but in no

> too have been a long term fan of the black dog and BDP, but in no

negative

quoted 1 line way do I think plaid sold out. I think there were major musical

> way do I think plaid sold out. I think there were major musical

differences

quoted 9 lines involved. if you listen to 'not for threes' and then 'music for adverts

> involved. if you listen to 'not for threes' and then 'music for adverts' > back to back, it's obvious. > > and i stayed up with the plaid 2/3 of BDP.. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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