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I was pretty excited to see this Orange(TM) CD single in the Aphex Twin bin today, which purported to be "Come To Daddy Remixed." There are four songs on it from the original "Come To Daddy" CD, and they seem not to be remixed at all. Be sure you get to hear this before you pay import prices for it in the US, or anywhere outside of England. It's half as many tracks you already own for the same high price. How can they do this to us? Is it only to help us associate MTV and advertising with rip-offs? I already knew that. I want my money back, and I want an apology, Richard. I work for my money, unlike Warp, in this case. Speaking of which, I spotted the Plaid "Not For Threes" CD (Warp import) in Boston for the _first time_ today. Why isn't this getting proper distribution? The copy I saw was $26.99. Oh, come on. Mr. Gil gil@L0PHT.COM (L-zero-P-H-T) No authority is self-justified. Resist. Visit The Compendium of Allowable Knowledge http://WWW.L0PHT.COM/~gil/ FREE MUMIA ABU-JAMAL. END THE RACIST DEATH PENALTY.

On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Mr. Gil wrote:

quoted 6 lines I was pretty excited to see this Orange(TM) CD single in the Aphex Twin

> I was pretty excited to see this Orange(TM) CD single in the Aphex Twin > bin today, which purported to be "Come To Daddy Remixed." There are four > songs on it from the original "Come To Daddy" CD, and they seem not to be > remixed at all. Be sure you get to hear this before you pay import prices > for it in the US, or anywhere outside of England. It's half as many > tracks you already own for the same high price.

Yeah. They very often release two CDs per single in the UK. The Orange one was part two. This surprises you? Luckily for us in the US, they collected both of them on the US CD release. They did exactly the same thing with "Ventolin" (two CD-singles in the UK, one CD-single in the US), except this time around, they called it a "CDEP" instead of a "CD-single" and charged three bucks more for it. (It seems so arbitrary sometimes.) It was still cheaper than buying one import single, let alone two.

quoted 4 lines How can they do this to us? Is it only to help us associate MTV and

> How can they do this to us? Is it only to help us associate MTV and > advertising with rip-offs? I already knew that. I want my money back, > and I want an apology, Richard. I work for my money, unlike Warp, in this > case.

With all due respect, maybe you should try reading the label more carefully next time. -- Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. "Hell is a place for very very bad people, weitzman@individual.com and the lawyers who defend them." - Brett Butler

On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Adam J. Weitzman wrote:

quoted 12 lines On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Mr. Gil wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Mr. Gil wrote: > > > I was pretty excited to see this Orange(TM) CD single in the Aphex Twin > > bin today, which purported to be "Come To Daddy Remixed." There are four > > songs on it from the original "Come To Daddy" CD, and they seem not to be > > remixed at all. Be sure you get to hear this before you pay import prices > > for it in the US, or anywhere outside of England. It's half as many > > tracks you already own for the same high price. > > Yeah. They very often release two CDs per single in the UK. The Orange > one was part two. This surprises you? >

I bought the pair of CD's because they were only $16, and the US release was some time off. So I paid an extra $4 for a few weeks of listening pleasure. Keep in mind that in order to be considered a single for the purpose of the record charts in the UK, it has to be less than 30 minutes of music. The famous case being 'The Blue Room' by the Orb, which was one track, a few seconds shy of a half hour. One thing to remember when buying UK imports is that the reimbursement system is different in the UK as well, and artists often get paid more, in a more timely manner in the US. Actually standard procedure in the US is to advance artists the money to make a recording, and then cook the books so that it looks as though the record never made enough money to pay the artist more than the advance. It can happen that an artist may have a hit record, yet end up owing the record label money. Which is why if you're a musician, your best friend is not your bass player, it's your lawyer!

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Oblique Hospitality wrote:

quoted 4 lines Keep in mind that in order to be considered a single for the purpose of

> Keep in mind that in order to be considered a single for the purpose of > the record charts in the UK, it has to be less than 30 minutes of music. > The famous case being 'The Blue Room' by the Orb, which was one track, > a few seconds shy of a half hour.

Actually, it's 40 minutes. The Orb track was 39:58 or something like that. Greg

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Oblique Hospitality wrote:

> > On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Oblique Hospitality wrote: > > > Keep in mind that in order to be considered a single for the purpose of > > the record charts in the UK, it has to be less than 30 minutes of music. > > The famous case being 'The Blue Room' by the Orb, which was one track, > > a few seconds shy of a half hour. > > Actually, it's 40 minutes. The Orb track was 39:58 or something like that. >

And check out Autechre's Garbage EP - 39:56 or thereabouts. Che

quoted 5 lines And check out Autechre's Garbage EP - 39:56 or thereabouts.

> And check out Autechre's Garbage EP - 39:56 or thereabouts. > > Che > >

but isn't their a difference if the release is considered an ep and not a single? i just wish more stuff was released here in the US, because buying two UK import singles usually costs about $22.00 (tax included, of course), whereas if they'd release both on one here it would probably only cost @$10, and then you wouldn't have to load two CDs in your player to hear one "single" is there a reason that the UK goes by the 30 minute rule or whatever it is? it's a very interesting thing, although i'm sure the artists don't mind too much, as they can sell twice the amount for the same amount of effort. thanks, alan!

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quoted 1 line Actually, it's 40 minutes. The Orb track was 39:58 [...]

> > Actually, it's 40 minutes. The Orb track was 39:58 [...]

Wonder how many versions of Blue Room there are? I've got it here (at 14.58) on Orb Live 93. But what I really would love to know is WHY there are limitations as regards running time? Surely it limits creativity and, erm 'artistic integrity' to be thus bound by time? Isn't there also a 4- track limit to EP's which causes so many "hidden tracks" that are on the CD but simply not listed on the sleeve? Who makes these rulings? What is the point? Who scores? I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre

On 23 Nov 97, clockwise wrote: Re: (idm) CDS & EP time limits:

quoted 1 line Tosca "Fuck Dub" 'single' is actually longer than most full-length

> Tosca "Fuck Dub" 'single' is actually longer than most full-length

I must say I found it highly amusing that somebody called "CLOCKWISE" would respond to a "time limits" query :-)) What can you tell me about Fuck Dub? *Is* it dubby - or not? Never heard of these people - is it out on CD / 2x 12's or what? I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre