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1996-10-31 00:01mr. selfish>> BTW, is DJ Shadows "entroducing" any good, I'm afraid it's too >> commercialised... lem

From:: mr. selfish <cameron@imagina.com>
To:: Miles Egan <cullen@aimnet.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:01:17 -0800
Subject:: (idm) DJ Shadow: making almost all other hiphop suck in comparison

quoted 2 lines BTW, is DJ Shadows "entroducing" any good, I'm afraid it's too

>> BTW, is DJ Shadows "entroducing" any good, I'm afraid it's too >> commercialised... lemmie know ok ;)

milo spat out this opin:

quoted 3 lines There are a few interesting tracks, but most of it is sloppy, casual

>There are a few interesting tracks, but most of it is sloppy, casual >cheesy r&b. Shadow's idea of an "epic" sound is pathetic. This is even >worse than most of the Ninja tune stuff. We need a new Depth Charge album!

perhaps our definitions of r&b differ. let me just state that i believe that endtroducing is possibly the finest hiphop album out this year thus far. a love for the music and technique shaped this album into what hiphop should be: music created for the sound and not as a playa's soundtrack. "why hiphop sucks in '96: it's the money" the sound is staight up hiphop genuine, with inventive avenues that peruse genres beyond the usual sampling games... i'm all into it because shadow doesn't borrow moods, he creates them. the whole is much more than the sum of the parts, but trust me, if it was parts alone the record would still slam. besides, doublespeed drumming creates the first punk/trip vibe i've come across (chek: "stem/long stem"). plus, his "transmissions" satisfy my noisemusic fetishes. of course, with miles clearly baiting the medium with a pointed remark about ninja, salt his "review" to taste. i say: buy. cameron ===================================== cameron bowden cameron@imagina.com "sometimes i want to push the pedal down a little further until the car is unhappy" _____________________________________

1996-10-31 16:04Miles Eganmr. selfish wrote: > perhaps our definitions of r&b differ. let me just state that i belie

From:: Miles Egan <cullen@aimnet.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:04:09 -0800
Subject:: (idm) DJ Shadow: sucking even more than most other hiphop

mr. selfish wrote:

quoted 3 lines perhaps our definitions of r&b differ. let me just state that i believe

> perhaps our definitions of r&b differ. let me just state that i believe > that endtroducing is possibly the finest hiphop album out this year thus > far.

Confirmed sightings of cheesy R&B on the "best hip-hop album of the year": 1. Hammond organ vamping on "Changeling" (actually not a bad track until the Kenny G. sax solo sinks it) 2. "Midnight in a Perfect World" (The whole track is embarrassing. If he's going to stoop this low, why not find someone who can sing in key?) 3. "What does your soul look like pt. 1" (Dig that soulful sax, man!) Elsewhere we find soap-opera timpani & oboe themes and Van Cliburn crescendoes. This record is a tour through bad daytime television maudlin melodrama. The few decent tracks here are essentially loops of fairly dull breaks. I should have taken his sampling of U2 earlier as a warning and left this disk on the shelf? The last good hip-hop record I heard was Krs-One's album from last year, but I'm hardly an expert.

quoted 2 lines of course, with miles clearly baiting the medium with a pointed remark about

> of course, with miles clearly baiting the medium with a pointed remark about > ninja, salt his "review" to taste.

Or it could just be that I'm bored with their sanitized, unimaginative forgeries? They've got the technique Shadow is so desperately in need of, but they're laughably out of touch with the edge and energy that made hip-hop interesting and important in the first place.

(idm) DJ Shadow: sucking even more than most other hiphop