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1996-10-28 20:25Adam J Weitzman Re: (amb) Re: (idm) none
1996-10-28 23:43Maarten D. Schemer Re: (amb) Re: (idm) none
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1996-10-28 20:25Adam J WeitzmanPixel8ion@aol.com wrote: > > In America this is a protected right. the contrary - censorsh
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Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:25:57 -0500
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Pixel8ion@aol.com wrote:
quoted 5 lines In America this is a protected right. the contrary - censorship is much more> > In America this is a protected right. the contrary - censorship is much more > harmful than anything some quack might say. > > If you find it too strong a message the don't buy it. Very simple concept.
I agree 100% with the above statement. This is why I don't buy Muslimgauze CDs. That's my problem and the problem of others who agreed with my statement, and not anyone else's.
quoted 3 lines Nope I give my money up for music not for a particular cause. I may not> Nope I give my money up for music not for a particular cause. I may not > agree with an opinion, but as long as it isn't shoved down my throat then > what the hell do I care if they wear fur?
Right, what the hell do you care if they advocate the murder of innocent civilians? Some of the causes that Muslimgauze supports (both in the titles of his albums/songs and in interviews) are dedicated to terrorism until Israel no longer exists, and if that means suicide attacks against unarmed commuters, then so be it. The argument that since I live in a democracy I have no right to judge those living under occupation is, I believe, way off. I'm sorry, but to me, terrorism is wrong (I don't care who it is). The fact that there are negotiators at a table is proof that negotiation can work if people are willing to compromise. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not willing to accept anything less than the complete dissolution of Israel and the forced expulsion from that area of every person not willing to live under an Islamic government. That is not a position you can negotiate, it is only a position you can force onto others by violence. I have no problem with Muslimgauze releasing CDs, and I have no problem with anyone else buying them. I have a problem with *me* buying them. I mentioned this when I pointed out that I thought "Return of Black September" was an unspeakably nasty album title, and I wondered if anyone agreed with me. Don't you think that harkening back to the slaying of Israeli Olympic athletes by Palestinian terrorists is something worth thinking about before you plunk down $14 to hear it?
quoted 3 lines In the case of IDM - the beliefs of the creator are not usually prevelant.> In the case of IDM - the beliefs of the creator are not usually prevelant. > their personal belief are a mystery for the most part. As long as they > don't try to shove it down my throat they can believe want they want.
Muslimgauze's beliefs are obvious. I don't even have to listen to the CDs to know what they are. And the interviews I've read with him confirm what I thought. So my money doesn't fill his pockets. I'd be happier if no one bought his CDs, because I believe that when one buys Muslimgauze's CDs, one also encourages his views. But I know that people do, and I don't really have a problem with those people (though I may try and convince them to rethink their position), and life goes on. ObIDM: The _WipeOut_XL_ soundtrack wins my vote for Best Ear Candy of 1996 so far. Not very "intelligent", but loads of fun anyways. The Underworld track is exceptional. -- Adam J Weitzman --- Individual, Inc. --- weitzman@individual.com VISIT US AT: http://www.individual.com "Every morning I take a poll, and it's 1-0, and I'm winning." - Bob Dole
1996-10-28 23:43Maarten D. Schemer>Some of the causes that Muslimgauze supports (both in the titles of his >albums/songs and
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Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:43:24 +0100 (MET)
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quoted 4 lines Some of the causes that Muslimgauze supports (both in the titles of his>Some of the causes that Muslimgauze supports (both in the titles of his >albums/songs and in interviews) are dedicated to terrorism until Israel >no longer exists, and if that means suicide attacks against unarmed >commuters, then so be it.
It seems to me that Muslimgauze might be at least partly endorsing pro-Palestinian views because of the shock value. Many industrial bands have done so before (and the industrial scene is where Muslimgauze originally came from), and at one time in the eighties industrial seemed to be synonymous with concentration camp videos and extremist views (Whitehouse being the prime movers). And as always, it makes me wonder: it's all very well screaming that all <insert your favourite minority here> should be killed, but if you don't go out and actually do so, you're either a coward, or you don't actually believe in it. (Don't get me wrong here - I am VERY glad that these bands usually don't actually do what they say they will). Given his persistence over the years, mr. Jones of Muslimgauze probably does actually sympathise with the Palestinian cause, but if he was really serious, he'd go out there and drive trucks loaded with TNT into synagogs, rather than sit in a comfortable home somewhere amidst the lush british meadows and construct boring soundscapy ambient music all day. Am I being naive? Maarten on now: Slave Labour "Fuck the victims"