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quoted 5 lines I think I'm perhaps being way to fucking naive, but I tend to

>I think I'm perhaps being way to fucking naive, but I tend to >assume that all lovers of techno exhibit heightened thinking >patterns and sees the music as way more than music. I guess in an >infinite universe, there exists the possiblity that to some, >techno is just about a cool song with a funky beat...

From my own experience I've found there are a few groups of people that buy this music we're into: 1. DJ's - who generally don't give a shit who made the record or what label its on. They just grab every new release and bring it to the tables and buy what they think will move the crowd. 2. Ravers/Clubers - who don't know ANYTHING about artists, labels, or sometimes even types of music. They generally buy only mix-tapes or keoki cds. 3. IDMers - who know every label, every artist, every music machine, and are quite content to spend most of their waking lives tracking down obscure records and every last single note by their favorite artists. /""'' /"'RESH Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA

Gc> 3. IDMers - who know every label, every artist, every music Gc> machine, and are quite content to spend most of their waking Gc> lives tracking down obscure records and every last single Gc> note by their favorite artists. I suffer greatly from the trainspotter disease, having just bought 'Apollo 2: the divine compilation' for the live version of Locust's "i feel cold inside because of the things you say" ... (okay, there are are few other excellent tracks on the 2-cd, but that's not /why/ I got it) The list is endless ... Fortunately (for my bank balance) I tend to find a fair bit in the sales section of mainstream record stores. To make you all absolutely sick: 2 months ago I found Reload's Collection of Short Stories for dfl.10 (I paid the 'normal' price of dfl.40 for my first copy - approx 25 US). I tried to order more, but to no avail. greets, Helen

Oooops!!! This message was meant to go here but I sent it to UK-Dance by accident!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hey y'alls, I was reading the latest UK-Dance digest (1516) and something funny caught my eye:

quoted 3 lines Depending on what you're into, IDM and 313 are also pretty good -

> > Depending on what you're into, IDM and 313 are also pretty good - > >IDM's got the best 'signal-to-noise' ratio of all the mailing lists, > >IMO...

Agreed!

quoted 4 lines IDM does have incerdible SNR, but you have to be a complete spotter, I

> IDM does have incerdible SNR, but you have to be a complete spotter, I > mean, there's a huge thread of people trying to work out what > equipment squarepusher uses from the photo of his studio on the CD > inlay - sad or wot?

This had me giggling for some time...It's amazing to realize that all this time, we've been under the microscope...

quoted 6 lines Time for a dodgy opinion:

> Time for a dodgy opinion: > One of the only underground music genres at the moment is IDM. > House, techno, jungle, trip-hop, trance - they're all in the public > eye in a big way. Clubs galore for all these types of music. IDM is > rare in clubs, and only true affectionadoes like it - it ain't the > latest trendy thing to be into (Unlike dolphin).

Thoughts on this? I hadn't really thought about this before...when I think of Techno. I really haven't thought about the fact that the IDM vibe is the most "underground"...Life's strange sometimes...This is a perfect example of why I can't fully grasp the genre-wars. I always tend to assume that anybody who likes techno likes ALL forms of it as long as the particular track is well done (BTW, I consider ambient to be a form of techno in that it is usually electronic). I think I'm perhaps being way to fucking naive, but I tend to assume that all lovers of techno exhibit heightened thinking patterns and sees the music as way more than music. I guess in an infinite universe, there exists the possiblity that to some, techno is just about a cool song with a funky beat...

quoted 4 lines I'm not saying that there isn't underground techno/house/jungle

> I'm not saying that there isn't underground techno/house/jungle > events, of course there are, but these styles are blatantly known to > be trendy and cool - IDM is seen as rather geekish (Judjing by the > IDM list, that's true).

ROFL!!! :) Apparently, we're the geeks of Techno...quite an auspicious title...! Peace out, The Dragon Reborn -------------------------------------------------------- "You have to burn in order to shine." - Coil --------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, The Dragon Reborn wrote:

quoted 6 lines IDM does have incerdible SNR, but you have to be a complete spotter, I

> > > IDM does have incerdible SNR, but you have to be a complete spotter, I > > mean, there's a huge thread of people trying to work out what > > equipment squarepusher uses from the photo of his studio on the CD > > inlay - sad or wot? >

Since I started that thread I guess I'll have to follow up. I did it for a laugh. It's fun and the whole family can play. I don't see it as sad.

quoted 4 lines Thoughts on this? I hadn't really thought about this before...when I

> > Thoughts on this? I hadn't really thought about this before...when I > think of Techno. I really haven't thought about the fact that the IDM > vibe is the most "underground"...

You have to put that into the UK context. Jungle, House, and Techno are mainstream youth culture. It's dance music. Sad to say, a lot of IDM (I'm really beginning to hate that tag) isn't particularly danceable, or doesn't fit into a dj format. So clubland ignores it. Actually I started out listening to more ambient dreamy stuff, and any more it's gotta have some kick to it. In fact the first AFX I bought was 'Quoth' and I remember being frankly horrified by it. Now it's beauty to me.

quoted 2 lines Life's strange sometimes...This is a

>Life's strange sometimes...This is a > perfect example of why I can't fully grasp the genre-wars.

Genre wars are always more about kids taking their identities from their scenes than about music. Once you are old enough to know who you are independent of whose tour TShirt you happen to be wearing, it seems really really silly and immature.

quoted 5 lines ROFL!!! :)

> > ROFL!!! :) > Apparently, we're the geeks of Techno...quite an auspicious > title...! >

Speak for yourself, pencil neck boy ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Check the lame home page http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

In message <Pine.LNX.3.91.960612231222.32443B-100000@soli.inav.net> Kent Williams <kent@inav.net> wrote:

quoted 4 lines On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, The Dragon Reborn wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, The Dragon Reborn wrote: > Sad to say, a lot > of IDM (I'm really beginning to hate that tag) isn't particularly > danceable, or doesn't fit into a dj format. So clubland ignores it.

IDM - DM that you can't D to. :-) Cheers, Graeme. ============================================================================= Graeme Foster graeme@beatmix.demon.co.uk

In more "we are famous" news, the latest issue of Details mag has an article about the best music sites on the web. Hyperreal gets a listing and it goes on to say "the Intelligent Dance Music mailing list, which you can join here, has been carrying on an almost scholarly conversation about Aphex Twin and his colleagues since 1993." :: Alan M. Parry :: fluid@hyperreal.com :: <finger me for PGP key> :: http://hyperreal.com/~fluid

quoted 1 line IDM - DM that you can't D to. :-)

> IDM - DM that you can't D to. :-)

=:p You're just not trying hard enough. =^) Hell, I just got done working up a good sweat to PushSquare playing at 78RPM backwards with SAW II mixed together on the 1200 wheels of steel. How's that for energy? ;) onDaDecksAFewMinutesAgo: Tales From The Hardside E.P. by Omar Santana. Weird, good electro stuff on Tricked Out Recordings. -- guyjr@cc.gatech.edu a.k.a., Guy Elden Jr.

quoted 3 lines IDM is rare in clubs, and only true

>> IDM is rare in clubs, and only true >> affectionadoes like it - it ain't the latest trendy thing >> to be into (Unlike dolphin).

Sad, but true in my social circles. Friends who are also into idm live miles away, those nearest to me hate it and think I've gone stark ravin' mad. Something else they cannot understand is that I keep buying records. 'haven't you got enough to listen to yet?' erhmmmm ....

quoted 3 lines styles are blatantly known to be trendy and cool - IDM is

>> styles are blatantly known to be trendy and cool - IDM is >> seen as rather geekish (Judjing by the IDM list, that's >> true).

Great. I love being thought of as a geek. Helen

quoted 4 lines 3. IDMers - who know every label, every artist, every music

>3. IDMers - who know every label, every artist, every music >machine, and are quite content to spend most of their waking lives >tracking down obscure records and every last single note by their >favorite artists.

heheheheheh... this must go in a faq someplace. :) just too funny... -- e r i k http://www.bossanova.com/erik/