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These are my thoughts about bootlegs: If you bootleg a record while the original is still in print and is easy to find, you do it just to earn money and the music makers will suffer economically from it. Therefore it should be illegal. But if you make a bootleg with back-catalogue and limited edition stuff not in print anymore, the producers of the records will not be hurt in any way and in that case I think it is OK, even if the bootleggers profit from it. I think limited edition records are a very unfair thing. Most of them are only available in England and large cities and I can see no reason why people living there should get them and not everyone else who wants them. Once an artist or group has released a record, everyone should have access to it. I would gladly break some stupid laws to make this possible. INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 9 lines Please let's forget about a seperate list for Aphex etc.

>>Please let's forget about a seperate list for Aphex etc. >> >>It could be seen as a tad elitist and I wouldn't have such a big bunch of >>people to have spicey arguments with. >> > >The truth is that everyone would be one both lists just not to miss anything >that might >perhaps be important to a trainspotter (and what isn't eh?)

Three lists, including the ambient list, there's a lot of Aphex chat there..

quoted 4 lines if you make a bootleg with back-catalogue and limited edition stuff not

>if you make a bootleg with back-catalogue and limited edition stuff not >in print anymore, the producers of the records will not be hurt in any way >and in that case I think it is OK, even if the bootleggers profit from it. >

Gee wiz, if there is this big a demand for old limited Caustic Window et. al (I certainly want some too), why doesn't some smart businessperson simply license the tracks from rephlex or whatever, and give them a full release (a Joyrex compilation-like the Aphex Twin classics or something, maybe?)... that way, the person who licensed and released the tracks makes money, rephlex makes money, record stores everywhere make money, and all the poor idiots who don't happen to live in England and thus can't ever get their hand on anything "limited" are made happy. Think of it.... everyone will get to hear all this wonderful music through legal channels, and R. James or whoever can fill their bank accounts without doing anything.

quoted 6 lines I think limited edition records are a very unfair thing. Most of them are

>I think limited edition records are a very unfair thing. Most of them are >only available in England and large cities and I can see no reason why >people living there should get them and not everyone else who wants them. >Once an artist or group has released a record, everyone should have access >to it. I would gladly break some stupid laws to make this possible. >INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE!

Yes, exactly... but life isn't always fair, and, well, maybe there were other reasons for releasing limited editions besides pissing off everybody (like, maybe, lack of resources neccesary to permit a full release).... but hey, if some external party with capital to invest were to license the tracks.... again, money and/or info would flow freely... and also poor fools like me won't have to pay triple market value for a copy of autobulb or things like that anymore...

quoted 4 lines Adam J Weitzman wrote:

>Adam J Weitzman wrote: >In this picture, given that it is legal for me to record the music in any >non-commercial manner I choose, on any medium I choose, what *exactly* am >I taking that doesn't belong to me?

*All* kind of un-licenced copying of music is illegal. When I release a record, I have exclusive right to duplicate the music, which means I am the only one who can copy it to any format. It doesn't matter if you sell the tape/CD-R it or use it yourself, even home-taping is illegal. That's the legal side of it, and those rules apply all over the world, in the US too. Just read the standard text on any CD. But the practical side of it is a bit different. I don't think anyone ever has been charged for copying his/her favourite CD to a tape for private use. So the basic rule is: if you copy it for your own use, even copy it to a friend, it's OK, but as soon as you start selling it (even for cost price), you are in trouble. Bye, Vidar ---- // Beatservice Records ArcticTechnoAmbientElectronicListeningMusic \\ \\ P.O.Box 2478 fax: (+47) 77 61 23 43 // // 9002 TROMSO e-mail: vidarh@beatservice.no \\ \\ NORWAY url: http://www.dataconsult.no/beatservice // \\ ******* BS006 MIND OVER MIDI and BS007 IMPLOSION out now!! ******** //

On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Vidar Hanssen wrote:

quoted 6 lines *All* kind of un-licenced copying of music is illegal. When I release a

> *All* kind of un-licenced copying of music is illegal. When I release a > record, I have exclusive right to duplicate the music, which means I am the > only one who can copy it to any format. It doesn't matter if you sell the > tape/CD-R it or use it yourself, even home-taping is illegal. > That's the legal side of it, and those rules apply all over the world, in the > US too. Just read the standard text on any CD.

That depends on the most recent court cases, Vidar. That home taping for personal use is illegal has not been conclusively established in the US, despite the best efforts of the RIAA. Matthew L. Weber Library Assistant University of Michigan Music Library Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is second childishness, and mere oblivion, Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything. William Shakespeare, 1564-1616, _As You Like It_, 1599

Whenever the tape making question arises, I always ask myself why in the world there are so many brands of blank tapes on the market... Some of which say "Best for CD" right on the side. They have extended the length of some tapes to be 74 mins....just long enough for most CDs... I think we are being negatively influenced by the likes of Maxell and Sony and Denon... If anyone is responsible it is them. It isn't our fault. It is too tempting. Is it illegal, or is it Memorex? Jasonosaj

At 09:39 05/03/96 -0600, you wrote:

quoted 18 lines Whenever the tape making question arises,

> > >Whenever the tape making question arises, >I always ask myself why in the world there >are so many brands of blank tapes on the market... > >Some of which say "Best for CD" right on the side. > >They have extended the length of some tapes to be >74 mins....just long enough for most CDs... > >I think we are being negatively influenced by the >likes of Maxell and Sony and Denon... > >If anyone is responsible it is them. >It isn't our fault. It is too tempting. > >Is it illegal, or is it Memorex?

so called 'home taping' for 'personal' use is not illegal. giving that tape to your mate - well you then you begin to push the boundaries of 'personal' giving it to 20 people after taking a lot of trouble to master it to CD, oh dear... don't sound very personal to me... Maybe everyone should now go off and read some music/copyright law books. Or consult your solicitor. :::::Warp Net!(TM)::::: http://www.warp-net.com

Fuck all of you who want to pay that much money for a fucking record... get a life. The artists who made these records are laughing in your face.... believe me... As an artist I personally don't give a fuck about bootlegging of stuff which is no longer available, or has been around for a good few months. My record was only produced in relatively small numbers, and its pretty much broken even so if anyone bootlegs it, then good for them, id be flattered. available now on all good mp3/warez FTP's.... Horse Opera : 3 Cornered Room these are my views alone, and not necessarily the views of Planet Mu or other Planet mu artists ;)

quoted 1 line Fuck all of you who want to pay that much money for a fucking record...

>Fuck all of you who want to pay that much money for a fucking record...

get

quoted 2 lines a life.

>a life. >The artists who made these records are laughing in your face....

believe

quoted 3 lines me...

>me... > >As an artist I personally don't give a fuck about bootlegging of stuff

which

quoted 4 lines is no longer

>is no longer >available, or has been around for a good few months. My record was only >produced >in relatively small numbers, and its pretty much broken even so if

anyone

quoted 4 lines bootlegs it,

>bootlegs it, >then good for them, id be flattered. > >available now on all good mp3/warez FTP's.... Horse Opera : 3 Cornered

Room

quoted 5 lines these are my views alone, and not necessarily the views of Planet Mu or

> > > >these are my views alone, and not necessarily the views of Planet Mu or >other Planet mu artists ;)

damn right.....musics for listening..right?...fuck copyright.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

so i saw this in a store and remember the post that mentioned a possible v/vm link, promising eh, and then a kind of dismissive negativeland reference, not so promising, in reply. but it didn't cost an arm and a leg, looked suitably mysterious with only the words "black helicopters" printed on one side of the label, so i picked it up anyway. the overall feel appears to be like neither v/vm or nv, its more like an updated and very strange classic dj record, kind of like coldcut's original beats and pieces filtered through stock, hausen and walkman's wild kitchen sink sampling approach. its not noisy enough for v/vm and it actually grooves and entertains, unlike negativeland on both counts. its definately a severe blast in the blatant copyright infringement dept. so on "hammered gods" what you get is a dub reggae intro, lots of silly voices and snippets of pointless interviews, the top of the pops theme looped on a single riff (for the states, its by some band called 'led zeppelin'), "blue moon" w/ strange gargly vocals, "blue moon" w/ strange gargly backwards vocals, schooly d in scratch confrontation w/ cream (according to one of my rock associates), the velvets w/ a hip-hop beat sounding like they'd be right at home on "3 feet high and rising" (where funnily enough the big bucks sampling war kinda started), and janice joplin clearing her throat. all seemlessly packaged into one 10 min slab of musical madness. fantastic. on the flip are 2 tracks, the 1st a fairly straightforward hip hop dub, in the manner of early tackhead or chemical brothers when they were dust, and "beyond our ken", which is a supremely annoying yet funny loop of british comedian kenneth williams practising a bank robbery in a really stupid voice, taken from a record that my dad used to own. this record does not just fuck copyright, it kills it and eats it too. -martin