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> Out of a 10, I'd give this comp a 9. The book and the artwork > pushed it up a bit. It looks like an ambitious project, and for me, their > efforts paid off(for me, at least!) Can't wait for Volume Two! Next time, > pleazzzzze press at least a limited quantity on vinyl!!!Geezzz! It was released on limited vinyl. Only had about 4 or 5 tracks on it, though, sold as a 12". Still loads kicking around London at the moment. However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't really come under the banner of IDM? A little question for all you cabaret voltaire spotters out there - I have a mixtape bought from a nice travveling person a few years ago, and it has three tracks by cab volt on it - "Deeptime", "Back to Brazilia" and "cooled out". From where do these tracks come from, and how old are they? Sure are beautiful. Cheers, Catweasel. "To find your mind, you have to lose it first"

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Jon ROSS wrote:

quoted 2 lines However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't

> However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't > really come under the banner of IDM?

Yeah, I agree - IMO, Goa isn't 'intelligent', in the same way that stuff by Hardfloor and their ilk isn't really talked about on this list. If I was being kind, I'd say that Goa trance is just dance music (breakdowns and bubbling analogue riffs are kind of standard for dance music) without any real thought or innovation behind it. If I was being unkind, I'd say that it's mindless, unoriginal cack - Harthouse were doing this stuff back in 93. And it was shit then as well. And I *hate* UV paint :) IMHO, of course. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 11 lines However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't

> > However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't > > really come under the banner of IDM? > > Yeah, I agree - IMO, Goa isn't 'intelligent', in the same way that stuff > by Hardfloor and their ilk isn't really talked about on this list. If I > was being kind, I'd say that Goa trance is just dance music (breakdowns > and bubbling analogue riffs are kind of standard for dance music) without > any real thought or innovation behind it. > If I was being unkind, I'd say that it's mindless, > unoriginal cack - Harthouse were doing this stuff back in 93. And it was > shit then as well. And I *hate* UV paint :)

Well, I knew I would get some opposition to my "goa" posts, and it finally happened! I don't care what anyone says, I love it, and couldn't wait for the scene to blossom as it did. I still don't like HARDFLOOR, and the formula of 303's and high-velocity BPM dance music. The way Hardfloor made it in '93 was "formulaic" and it still is. The difference with goa is in the arrangement and the instruments used. What makes a track "intelligent"? The sampled use of scientists' talking about the cerebral meningitis of the beat? What's the difference between early Black Dog, and some of the tracks on the Dragonfly Comp. DRAGONFLY TRANCE:PROJECT 2, other than the obvious...It's still dark, they're breakbeats, it's arranged in a goth-like manner, and it's for the head. I certainly hope those of you who bash "goa" trance, have your facts in order, and have listened to some of the early "goa" stuff, and not the stuff that has just came out. I would never bash anyone about something unless I know what the hell I'm talking about, and have listened carefully with an open mind. Not all "goa" trance sounds like your Hardfloors, Eat Statics', and others...Know what you say before you say it. Derek Jordan

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Derek Jordan wrote:

quoted 2 lines The way

> The way > Hardfloor made it in '93 was "formulaic" and it still is.

Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO, both Hardfloor and Goa make music for the floor rather than the head and as such, maybe they should be discussed on another list.

quoted 2 lines The difference

> The difference > with goa is in the arrangement and the instruments used.

Okay - but from what GT I've heard, there is a *lot* of filter-tweaking, opening that cut-off as the bars progress, rolling those snares, that type of thing. This has been done to death IMO, and is neither interesting nor innovative - two things that make me want to get up and shake my butt.

quoted 5 lines What makes a track "intelligent"? The sampled use of scientists' talking ab

> What makes a track "intelligent"? The sampled use of scientists' talking about the cerebral > meningitis of the beat? What's the difference between early Black Dog, > and some of the tracks on the Dragonfly Comp. DRAGONFLY TRANCE:PROJECT 2, > other than the obvious...It's still dark, they're breakbeats, it's > arranged in a goth-like manner, and it's for the head.

I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is pushing it - BDP were always innovating; each release calmly stuck two fingers up to any conventions that existed - dancefloor mechanics being one of these. Goa is for dancing, yeah? Unlike techno, it doesn't push any new boundaries, rather it gives people want they want (rushing snares, rushing analogue riffs). IMO, this is inexcusable in modern electronic music. It's lazy, it's thoughtless, it's mindless.

quoted 1 line Know what you say before you say it.

> Know what you say before you say it.

Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were being advertised as trance/techno events. I turned up expecting a bit of UK techno, a bit of Euro trance/techno and a smattering of US techno if I was lucky. What I got was Harthouse circa 93 - that's not good. I respect your opinion Derek - all I'm saying is that IMO, Goa doesn't fulfill any requirements of being 'intelligent' (yeah, I know it's a dodgy term - I take it to mean innovation; something that rather than giving people what they want or expect, gives them something they didn't know they wanted, something that might well be danceable, but that triggers thought, that triggers emotion). Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the minute that there are more Goa posts than IDM posts, I'm outta here. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 3 lines Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO,

> Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO, > both Hardfloor and Goa make music for the floor rather than the head and > as such, maybe they should be discussed on another list.

Why? The initial tracks that came out on Dragonfly were just as "cerebral"(for lack of a better word) as the AI series! Granted you can't dance to most of the AI tracks at the time, but Dragonfly Trance 2 & AI had somewhat similar dispositions. The sounds were innovative, and were in the process to "wave the rave goodbye" (Silent Phase). Ok, you have a legit beef, but those who ask questions like, "what the hell is goa?" need to be answered, and as a punter/buyer of music in the IDM vein as well as "psyche... trance", I can offer a review. There is a delete key you can use for reviews of goa posts, too, ya know.

quoted 7 lines I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is

> I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is > pushing it - BDP were always innovating; each release calmly stuck two > fingers up to any conventions that existed - dancefloor mechanics being > one of these. Goa is for dancing, yeah? Unlike techno, it doesn't push > any new boundaries, rather it gives people want they want (rushing > snares, rushing analogue riffs). IMO, this is inexcusable in modern > electronic music. It's lazy, it's thoughtless, it's mindless.

You're absolutely right. But I must emphasize that "smart" listeners go to "the source", and judge it from that point, not on the material currently burning dancefloors at the moment. How could I talk about the polyrhythmics of Black Dog, or B12, based just on their latest 12'' on GPR, Warp, or A.R.T.? Once you hear a decent track, you go back to when they began to listen to how they have progressed. That's what I do, anyway.

quoted 4 lines Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were

> Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were > being advertised as trance/techno events. I turned up expecting a bit of > UK techno, a bit of Euro trance/techno and a smattering of US techno if I > was lucky. What I got was Harthouse circa 93 - that's not good.

No, it isn't. Perhaps you need a chap like myself to DJ. I can assure you that I play a wide variety of "out there" or "music that makes you think" material. I am just as picky about my music as you are, but openmindedness is what is needed in order for artists to be more original and for clubbers/listeners to buy more "out there" stuff.

quoted 2 lines Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the

> Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the > minute that there are more Goa posts than IDM posts, I'm outta here.

I'll be right behind you...All I'll be doing in the next month or so is simply reviewing some of the stuff I have, that I think might me worth someones time and money(we all don't just dole out import money, ya know!) As I'm sure everyone knows, I don't just listen to goa!!!! If you don't like the reviews, hit the "D" key(If you're using Pine 3.91), and if it tickles you to buy it, I'd like feedback. That's all. Where would Black Dog(and now Plaid) be had it not been for 1 gal/guy that posted a review of it because it was so far out in leftfield, and everyone dismissed it as a "souless, faceless, electronic music"...Think about that. --I'll tone it down a bit, though.-- Derek Jordan Next up:A review of the TIP compilations.

quoted 6 lines However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't

> > However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't > > really come under the banner of IDM? > > Yeah, I agree - IMO, Goa isn't 'intelligent', in the same way that stuff > by Hardfloor and their ilk isn't really talked about on this list. If I >

I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good reviews here. And a lot of it ends up in my "hardly ever played" pile. Yep, I'll even agree it is of high quality, but its like "too" intelligent, a lot of the stuff just doesn't *move* me. But junk like Kaos, Concepts in Dance 2, and Trance Raver are bolted down on my player. - my 2 cents - greg s.

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, greg strockbine wrote:

quoted 4 lines I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good reviews

> I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good reviews > here. And a lot of it ends up in my "hardly ever played" pile. Yep, > I'll even agree it is of high quality, but its like "too" intelligent, a > lot of the stuff just doesn't *move* me.

I agree - there's a lot of IDM out there that is intricate and clever, but also introspective and narrow-minded. Find the balance though, and it it just clicks. Detroit techno is a good example - here is a form of music that not only satisfies emotionally but also kicks like anything. Put Model 500s _Starlight_ on; intricate chords, meandering bass, otherworldy moods - all of these make for an emotional, listenable record. And underpinning it all is this mad funked-up beat. I start grinning and nodding whenever I hear this track - here's something that makes me dance and think simulataneously. Goa trance has everything in place - it just seems to lack that care and thought that makes me sit-up and take interest - it lacks innovation and I find that unforgivable in a music form that by it's very essence, is innovative.

quoted 3 lines But junk like Kaos, Concepts in

> But junk like Kaos, Concepts in > Dance 2, and Trance Raver are bolted down on my player. > - my 2 cents

Fair enough - I must admit that I often drag out the Prodigys' _What Evil Lurks EP_ when I'm feeling all ravey... :) I'm not against Goa - I think almost all the people on this list have relatively good taste in music. I just *personally* think it is not particularly suitable - like Gabber, like house, like ambient (which is the term 'intelligent' taken to it's extreme), like country n'bloody western. Am I wrong? Am I right? || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 12 lines However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't

>> > However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't >> > really come under the banner of IDM? >> >> Yeah, I agree - IMO, Goa isn't 'intelligent', in the same way that stuff >> by Hardfloor and their ilk isn't really talked about on this list. If I >> > >I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good reviews >here. And a lot of it ends up in my "hardly ever played" pile. Yep, >I'll even agree it is of high quality, but its like "too" intelligent, a >lot of the stuff just doesn't *move* me. But junk like Kaos, Concepts in >Dance 2, and Trance Raver are bolted down on my player.

I found out that goa wears out realy quickly while 'realy high quality', when played and LISTENED to, have much more impact. I used to keep the goa compilations I got from my paper but after a while it bored me to death, now I get rid of most of it but record a track or two from each that I realy liked. My guess is that in a few months I'll erase those too. snow

Yes, they are beautiful. All 3 songs are from CV's "Plasticity" lp. Released on Plastex in uk, and Instinct in us. Snag it if you find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ''J''O''H''N'''''''R''I''C''K''M''A''N'''''''''''''''''''''''' jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Jon ROSS wrote:

quoted 6 lines A little question for all you cabaret voltaire spotters out there -

> > A little question for all you cabaret voltaire spotters out there - > I have a mixtape bought from a nice travveling person a few years > ago, and it has three tracks by cab volt on it - "Deeptime", "Back > to Brazilia" and "cooled out". From where do these tracks come > from, and how old are they? Sure are beautiful.

quoted 5 lines It was released on limited vinyl. Only had about 4 or 5 tracks on

> It was released on limited vinyl. Only had about 4 or 5 tracks on > it, though, sold as a 12". Still loads kicking around London at the > moment. However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't > really come under the banner of IDM? >

Why do you not think goa trance is "IDM"? What (in your opinion) is "goa trance"?? Unintelligent? However cheesy, this shit does what it's supposed to do! So it doesn't have the meditative repetitiveness of Basic Channel, or the intricate patterns of Black Dog/Plaid/Repeat, but, most trip-trap that passes for IDM these days doesn't do as much head damage as "goa". I still love IDM groups, but "goa trance" has to be the most overlooked scene as of late, and is just as melodic as any other group discussed on this list. Let me know what ya think, we can go hedz up and chat about it, matey! Derek Jordan

quoted 12 lines However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't

> > However, am I wrong in thinking that "Goa" trance doesn't > > really come under the banner of IDM? > > > Why do you not think goa trance is "IDM"? What (in your opinion) is "goa > trance"?? Unintelligent? However cheesy, this shit does what it's > supposed to do! So it doesn't have the meditative repetitiveness of > Basic Channel, or the intricate patterns of Black Dog/Plaid/Repeat, but, > most trip-trap that passes for IDM these days doesn't do as much head > damage as "goa". I still love IDM groups, but "goa trance" has to be the > most overlooked scene as of late, and is just as melodic as any other > group discussed on this list. > Let me know what ya think, we can go hedz up and chat about it, matey!

Oh, don't get me wrong. I fucking love goa, I go to RTTS a lot, in fact there is one here this Saturday in Paris, so there. The music is great for going ballistic to when you're in a crowd full of psychadelic nutters, that is what makes the music work - the crowd that goes with it. Without the party atmosphere, I find the music rather uninspiring. It is just in a completely different genre to the charter of the IDM list. It is music for dancing to, and IDM, IMHO, is primarily for listening to (Bit of a generalisation, I know. I have danced my tits off to R.H. Kirk many a time) Maybe someone should start a goa mailing list, cos the way it is booming in the UK at the moment, it would be quite popular. Adios, Catweasel. "To find your mind, you have to lose it first"

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Jon ROSS wrote:

quoted 2 lines Maybe someone should start a goa mailing list, cos the way it is

> Maybe someone should start a goa mailing list, cos the way it is > booming in the UK at the moment, it would be quite popular.

Correct me if necessary, but isn't there a trance mailing list now? Goa stuff would be on-charter there, right? on now: Rob Hood "Nighttime World" ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services marmoset@conch.aa.msen.com phat phorest phires <A HREF="http://www.msen.com/~marmoset/">Dave Walker</A>

quoted 4 lines It is just in a completely different genre to the charter of the

> It is just in a completely different genre to the charter of the > IDM list. It is music for dancing to, and IDM, IMHO, is primarily for > listening to (Bit of a generalisation, I know. I have danced my > tits off to R.H. Kirk many a time)

What is out in the UK at the moment IS for dancing--mainly. There are tracks for the head as well. Don't be surprised when these "goa supergroups" come out with something in the IDM vein, and it crops up again. I've created a monster... Derek Jordan

quoted 6 lines Maybe someone should start a goa mailing list, cos the way it is

> Maybe someone should start a goa mailing list, cos the way it is > booming in the UK at the moment, it would be quite popular. > Adios, > Catweasel. > "To find your mind, you have to lose it first" >

quoted 4 lines What is out in the UK at the moment IS for dancing--mainly. There are

>What is out in the UK at the moment IS for dancing--mainly. There are >tracks for the head as well. Don't be surprised when these "goa >supergroups" come out with something in the IDM vein, and it crops up >again. I've created a monster...

The monster realy is the tracks for the head. Those are the real reason not to take the goa too seriously, most of those ambient tracks are just knob masturbating to the extreme. I know, Plastikman also is a knob twiddler, but those goa guys realy are something. snow

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote:

quoted 7 lines To use the Hardfloor example: I disagree on both points. Although on the

>To use the Hardfloor example: I disagree on both points. Although on the >face >of it Hardfloor are unoriginal--OK, hardhouse/trance/acid *has* been done >before--they really do have a unique sound. No one sounds quite like them. >For me, that's the litmus test of innovation. Hardfloor pick and choose >a few elements and blend them into a thumping mass of energy that's more >than the sum of its parts and that's also totally unique.

Fair enough - they do have their own sound. But they've re-used that sound so much through their 12"s and mainly through their remixes, it's become jaded for me. I loved _TB-Resuscitation_ when I first bought it, but hearing it on every one of their 12"s afterwards? The appeal of a building dry acid line and those rushing snares wanes after a while...

quoted 4 lines I don't see why total and unrelenting danceability equates to

>I don't see why total and unrelenting danceability equates to >unintelligence. >For me, intelligence is being able to identify a goal and use all your >weaponry to achieve it. (Hardfloor certainly do that.)

I use the term 'intelligent' to mean that a track makes *me* think -it has to interest me, inspire me and above all innovate. And if I think a track is 'intelligent', it implies a degree of musical innovation from the artist involved. Hardfloor acieved their goal, fine - let them move on and try something innovative as we know they can do it. I hear their new 12" is a bit different - maybe this is the turning point. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote:

quoted 4 lines To use the Hardfloor example: I disagree on both points. Although on the face

> To use the Hardfloor example: I disagree on both points. Although on the face > of it Hardfloor are unoriginal--OK, hardhouse/trance/acid *has* been done > before--they really do have a unique sound. No one sounds quite like them. > For me, that's the litmus test of innovation.

hmmm, i think hardfloor really straddle the line... some of their stuff is government issue, acid-by-the-numbers, but every once in a while they really cook up something special. i think their track "reverberate opinion" is really amazing and interesting and quite out of the ordinary. -jon

On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: Ashok - I'm having some problems with your mails. You seem to use attachments and they're pretty hard to reply to (I have to save out the attachment and then re-import it back in). Maybe it's just my mailer...

quoted 3 lines I have to quibble on this definition of "intelligent"--i.e., that anything

>I have to quibble on this definition of "intelligent"--i.e., that anything >that strikes a listener as "innovative" is "intelligent". What we find >innovative depends on our musical backgrounds,

But we're all aware (I hope) of innovation within the techno/IDM sphere of things...

quoted 5 lines Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I

>Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I >find "Ventolin", the Basic Channel comp., and "Landcruising" >unspeakably boring >--similar things have been done years ago by people in a totally different >"scene". However, others find these "innovative". Who's right?

You might find them boring Ashok - that's slightly different to being innovative. I don't much like Phillip Glass and the minimal classical output - I find it boring too - but I *do* think that it's innovative and for that reason, it deserves some respect.

quoted 3 lines I'm also a bit fed up with the notion that anything that's a) quite

>I'm also a bit fed up with the notion that anything that's a) quite >clearly danceable and b) has melody and harmony is automatically >barred from membership in the IDM club.

You're generalising - I've *never* said that music for the floor wasn't intelligent. If music is going to make me move, it's got to give me something different - thats what I mean by innovation. Otherwise, it's mindless and lazy and, I've said it before, unforgivable in electronic music. Pretty much all the standout dance classics are tracks that have done something new, something innovative that made people think "what's this?" (_Strings of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke & Fly_...). IDM and dance music in general has to keep moving on, otherwise it stagnates. Agree? IMO, Goa doesn't do this. || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 3 lines of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke

> of Life_, _LFO_, _Digeridoo_, _Voodoo Ray_, _Spastik_, _De-Orbit_, _Choke > & Fly_...). IDM and dance music in general has to keep moving on, otherwise > it stagnates. Agree? IMO, Goa doesn't do this.

But like the above mentioned tracks, "over time" we have grown to love them, and recognise them as classics. Perhaps the pigenholing, and "slapping" the label on a genre of music detracts from the importance. I think that might be what you're struggling with. Most of us these days hate to use the word "Techno"(which most of the above tracks are considered to be) but if I, for instance, were to thrown on a track at a party, it made you "think", and persuaded you to buy it, would it matter that it was a "goan-influenced" track from, say, Man With No Name? Derek Jordan

quoted 7 lines On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ashok Divakaran 39191 wrote: > > >Personally, I grew up on technopop and then industrial music. Hence I > >find "Ventolin", the Basic Channel comp., and "Landcruising" > >unspeakably boring > >--similar things have been done years ago by people in a totally different > >"scene". However, others find these "innovative". Who's right?

I've heard a lot of industrial music and I don't think I've heard anything with a more than superficial similarity to the Ventolin mixes. I certainly can't think of more than a handful of industrial records with as much character and bizarre humor. At this point, I'm not as concerned with finding "innovative" music as I am with finding expressive music that moves me. Ventolin and the Basic Channel comp. are both fascinating records that I listen to often. I NEVER pull out Second Annual Report or NON anymore.

At 13:05 15/11/95 -0700, Derek Jordan wrote:

quoted 2 lines There is a delete

>There is a delete >key you can use for reviews of goa posts, too, ya know.

Then lets talk about religion, racism, and poltics too. Don't like it? Hit your 'D' key now. Obviously, I'm exaggerating but this argument is kind of irrelevant - I shouldn't *have* to delete posts. I'm on this list because I want to hear information/opinions about a particular genre. But I'm happy to use the delete key because other people seem to be interested in Goa too (although some of these seem to prefer talking about it on another list). You know how I view Goa - I'd personally prefer discussion about it on another list, but in the meantime, I'll warm up my index finger and get stabbing at that 'D' key. Back to the beats, || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

quoted 6 lines But I'm happy to use the delete key because other people seem to be

> But I'm happy to use the delete key because other people seem to be > interested in Goa too (although some of these seem to prefer talking about > it on another list). You know how I view Goa - I'd personally prefer > discussion about it on another list, but in the meantime, I'll warm up my > index finger and get stabbing at that 'D' key. >

Ok.

Can Someone explain to me Goa I am interested.. I am interested to know why it does or does not fit in the context dicated by IDM (whatever the hell that means). M

What is IDM? I use this term just because to most of us it has a positive ring to it. IDM might mean merely innovative. some of you might be outraged to see the words innovative and merely go side by side. I think it is rather appropriate because I realy hate the feeling I get when I hear a track and I think to myself 'Nice trick, nice thought', smile the special smile to myself and that's all. Realy good music should be more than that. Concept isn't all! Ideas aren't the goal, they are just means to a goal and this goal is my soul. I like to dance with a smile which is caused by a track that I realy couldn't figure out not how the hell did they do this or that, but HOW THE HELL DID THEY KNOW ?!?! snow

Goa Trance shows the first major development of trance since the start of the genre and is a logical progression from the early trance stuff like Humate's Love Stimulation and Hardfloor's Aceperience. How can you say theat Goa Stagnates?? It's progression can be traced from the roots of trance, through the softer stuff ( virtual symmetry's The VS ) to the newer harder stuff ( Man with no Name, Hallucinogen ) Goa Is the way forward for trance!!!! John

quoted 2 lines From: greg strockbine <gstrock@netcom.com>

> From: greg strockbine <gstrock@netcom.com> > Subject: Re: (idm) RTTS + Cab. Volt.

quoted 8 lines I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good

> I follow this list and I've bought a ton of stuff that got good > reviews here. And a lot of it ends up in my "hardly ever played" > pile. Yep, I'll even agree it is of high quality, but its like > "too" intelligent, a lot of the stuff just doesn't *move* me. But > junk like Kaos, Concepts in Dance 2, and Trance Raver are bolted > down on my player. > - my 2 cents > > greg s.

Nice one mate, 'tis a relief indeed that I'm not the only philistine out there. Don't get me wrong, there's absolutely nothing wrong with idm (otherwise I wouldn't be on this list) but few things in life make a night memorable so much as a good old fashioned full-on four-to- the- floor foot-tapping piece of 'unintelligent' but most danceable music. Quy