I will concede that many great works have been created on limited budgets in
bedrooms etc, but this is obviously down to the talent of the artist...my
argument was that the whole mp3 disposable culture has downgraded the
listeners expectations and therefore puts less pressure on the artist to
excell in his work, and no, I don't have a bank of Neves {I wish}...if you
had read my e-mail correctly I also stated that many people spend thousands
of dollars on kit and still create nothing of worth...the guy who thought it
clever by calling me cultureless, dumb fuck etc. has obviously got so much
to offer this list...it comes to something when you can't give an opinion on
a genre I have been involved with for years without being insulted...oh, and
Petey,I think someones instrumental talent has everything to do with idm,
but of course I finished my music degree already.
Martin
quoted 90 lines You are a blithering idiot and a great buffoon.
> You are a blithering idiot and a great buffoon.
>
> Many works of genius were realized and finalized in bedrooms the world over.
> When was the last time you listened to Selected Ambient Works 1? Surely
> you have the deductive powers to realized that it's mixed like dog shit,
> cassette tape and what not, but so many people love it for it's purely
> musical beauty. Maybe you agree with me there. I mean, I know you have an
> SSL GL series and a rack full of Neves in a 10,000 square foot studio on the
> Riviera, but, some of us are still working on our music degrees and most of
> us just like to listen to and talk shit about the music we love.
>
> OH-and as far as people being critical of a "sample" or a "mix" goes, well,
> Lester Bangs, this IS the idm list. Most idm involves use of electronics.
> If you want to be philosophical about a voice or instrumental talent, you
> are not in the right ballgame, not the right ballpark, not even the right
> sport. Probably not the right planet, either. You should read your email
> when you're sober.
>
> You all need to study English Literature again. Cex's irony is wasted on so
> many of you, and his bravery is mistaken for arrogance or shit-talking.
> He's just putting his money where his mouth is, which many of you refuse to
> do.
>
> peace
>
> petey
>
>>From: "Martin" <apollon@freeuk.com>
>>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>Subject: Re: [idm] the haters
>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:22:25 +0000
>>
>>
>>I couldn't agree more with this msg, most people on this list have no
>>conception of music, only sound... the inverted snobbery of raving about a
>>particular sample or mix rather than someones voice or instrumental talent
>>is absolutely negative, most idm artists and listeners seem to have no
>>knowledge of anything not created using a sampler or sequencer
>>programme...the ears of most listeners have been polluted by poor quality,
>>bedroom mixing and mp3 conversion...many idm artists spend thousands of
>>dollars on kit an often just regurgitate someone elses sound...quite a few
>>10 year old kids could do a similar job
>>
>>Martin Lee-Stephenson
>> > I can't believe the utter stupidity of even discussing this. THE ONLY
>> > TIME YOU HEAR ACTUAL MUSIC IS WHEN SOMEONE PLAYS AN ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENT
>> > WITHIN THE RANGE OF YOUR UNAUGMENTED EARS.
>> >
>> > Everything else is DSP fuckery. Check out a copy of Mix Magazine
>>sometime
>> > and read one of the blow by blow descriptions of recording and mixing
>> > a pop hit. Artists like Cex, Kid606, Kit Clayton, etc conceptually
>> > turn the artifice of mass culture pop on their head, by flaunting and
>> > abusing the tools the majors use to fool you into thinking you're
>>hearing
>> > music. It's the musical equivelant of the Centre Pompidou, with all the
>> > ductwork and conduit on the outside.
>> >
>> > Shit, most of y'all probably don't even LIKE music that can be made by a
>> > human being without electricity. Judge music on whether it moves you or
>>not.
>> > Don't whine about the electrons people shove around.
>> >
>> > kent williams -- kent@avalon.net
>> > http://www.cornwarning.com -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label
>> > http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
>> >
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