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atomly
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Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:13:20 -0500 (EST)
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Re: [idm] kyma/autechre/richard devine
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Not sure where you get that I imply 'that only rich people should be able to make music'. I did not mean to come off as elitist, the people on this list who know me know that's the farthest thing from my mind. In fact I am a huge propenent of the notion of putting the means of creation within everyone's reach. The point I was trying to make was that *there is simply so much to hear, see and experience*, in all media right now, I can't keep up. What's more the ratio of orginality vs. derivation (with reagrd to digital art) is snowballing in favor if derivation. And yes the argument of 'there will always be crap, filter it to find the gems' is a valid one. But I feel like more and more of our intuitive creation processes are being broken down into mathematical formulas, which I just don't 'feel' the way I did when I heard the first IDM type records 10 years ago. Who knows, perhaps I am just tired of IDM and need new highs... Part of my frustration is also based on the fact that as an art director working in the web industry, I see the exact same thing happening in that visual medium. Everyone craps their pants about the funkstorung and Schematic web sites, when both of them use every Flash formula in the book; formulas, like Max/MSP patches, which can downloaded from the web and used. All those little tricks on Funkstrong.com were taken from Josh Davis @ praystation.com. WHat's more, Josh freely distributes all these scripts, which is cool (going back to the whole idea of sharing/power to the people/whatever); in fact I used the dragg-able palette script in my own site! But the truth is, while I appreciate the technical aspects of funkstorung.com, or barneys.com, or one9ine.com (or any of the dozens of these types of sites), they don't *move* me. www.elixirstudios.com is about the only one of these sites I am truly moved by, because it is so smartly built, the concepts are just as strong as the execution...he's one of the gems I suppose sorry to go off on a web design tangent... I guess I am suffering from little 'digital arthritis' (anything that can be digital will be), and am not entirely convinced that all this 'sharing' is really helping things, at least in terms of making art with staying power, even when I am guilty of being one of the perpetrators... nate On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, atomly wrote:
quoted 41 lines On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote:> On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 04:07:20PM -0500, n:h wrote: > > We all have access to the same toolset now, and derivation is running > > rampant, with myself being one of the contributors. I'm not sure what to > > think actually. I don't know whether to be thrilled or depressed with this > > 'paradigm shift' of music creation (or any creation involving digital > > tools) we ar witnessing. And I type this as I watch the Apple Keynote > > showcasing the sick sick new G4 powerbooks (who doesn't want one of > > these?), including a clip of electronic music artist BT saying something > > about eveyone being able to make music now... > > > > is there such a thing as too much creation? Too much content? Are any of > > you guys' musical passions becoming desensitized due to this media > > blitzkrieg? > > This is the most elitist idea I've heard in a long time... You're > essentially saying that only rich people should be able to make music > (I know that you may not have intended it this way, but that's how it's > coming out). > > People made all these same arguments when cheap 4 track recorders came > out and I'd say that those only served to help out music. You think > punk or indie would've ever happened if bands couldn't record > themselves? > > I will put this theory forward: As the monetary level of entry to music > decreases, the worst music will be worse than previously, but the best > music will also be better than previously... I can put up with having > two bad Autechre ripoffs if it means that somebody as revolutionary as > Autechre also comes along at some point. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com > http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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