Hi people,
The Black Dog spoketh thus....
quoted 1 line I'm interested in the notion of "IDM" itself.> I'm interested in the notion of "IDM" itself.
I always thought it was a bit strange myself. Lots of what is classed as
"IDM" I wouldn't (or couldn't) dance to.
quoted 3 lines What, for instance, differentiates it from> What, for instance, differentiates it from
> alt.techno? How come people like underworld,
> or orbital never get talked about in here?
Well, I'm not really interested in Underworld. Dunno why, I think perhaps
it's the use of vocals or the fact that they were originally a more
"guitar" based pop band. Same goes for Meat Beat Manifesto and groups like
that.
quoted 2 lines How come 'drum and bass' gets talked about,> How come 'drum and bass' gets talked about,
> when it can also be on the 'stupid' tip??
I can see a crossover through people like Squarepusher, the Plug alter ego
and some of the Aphex HAB and u-Ziq stuff. The edges are blurred a bit.
Then there's Bukem and guys like that too.
quoted 5 lines hiphop??> hiphop??
> ragga??
>
> surely, these are intelligent?
> they can *both* come out of roland boxes too.
Again, for me, it's the emphesis on the vocal side of things that puts me
off.
quoted 3 lines "Intelligent Techno" was a marketing device/label> "Intelligent Techno" was a marketing device/label
> dreamt up by suits/journo's about 3 (or was it 4)
> years ago.
Yeah, but they had to find a label to put on all the stuff that was coming
out that wasn't pure 4/4/ dance tracks, and wasn't quite Ambient either.
quoted 3 lines Sometimes i can find the term insulting. are we> Sometimes i can find the term insulting. are we
> saying that classic "techno" as produced by people
> like derrick may isn't "intelligent"?
Why do we have to exclude it anyway? Coz it's not European or even British?
If it's released on Warp or Tresor is that any diffrent to Transmat or
Submerge?
Is a Plastikman track on Plus 8 not IDM but Fuse is because it's on Warp?
quoted 4 lines Similarly, when it was underground (alive) it was> Similarly, when it was underground (alive) it was
> called "Jungle", now it's called "drum and bass"
> and is subliminally under adverts for everything
> from cars to shampoo.
Part of society's process of absorbtion m8. Same thing happened with the
hippies, punk, etc. etc.
quoted 2 lines Underground?> Underground?
> I don't think there is one anymore.
There is, probably always will be...it's a cycle I guess.
What's wrong with "Electronica" anyway? A more universal term that can even
include Stockhausen, Krautrock, Industrial, Ambient and the output from
labels like Touch, Staalplat etc.
bye,
Eric.