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1994-12-22 08:07Christian BartholdssonJoep Vermaat writes: >Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Tri

From:: Christian Bartholdsson <chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Dec 94 09:07:29 +0100
Subject:: Orbital

Joep Vermaat writes:

quoted 10 lines Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The

>Orbital. I should have realised when I went to interview them at Triple X. The >brothers Hartnoll have sold their souls to Satan. Or the big bucks music biz to >be more exact. "Snivilisation" is overrated. In every music magazine, barring >Melody Maker, the record has been lauded as a "Classic". Well, don't believe >the hype, because it's just a boring fart of a record. Okay, it has a lot of >different styles and tunes on it. But they used to put a lot of styles and >tunes in just one song. We think Orbital must have made this step for big bucks >sake. And the thing is, the audience buys it. They don't care this is a step >back musicwize. Back to the time when techno tracks only had a 4:4 bassdrum and >an 8:8 hi-hat on top. The disco variety.

You're talking crap. "Snivilisation" wasn't good, I agree. But I think it was because they tried to make it more underground and weird. Something they're obviously not capable of. They haven't changed their music much, only the tunes aren't as good as before.

quoted 4 lines Only "Impact" lived up to the old

>Only "Impact" lived up to the old >standard. The rest of the set was just replaying the record and raping classics >like "Halcyon" by making it into disco tracks. We never want to see Orbital >again.

I saw them in Stockholm and I definitely want to see them again. Except for a pretty slow start, they did a great set. "Impact" and "Chime" were superb. Sure, it's music to dance and have fun to, which IDM generally isn't about. Too bad. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se <http://www.update.uu.se/~chris/>

1994-12-22 14:03Mark BowenI din't think 'Snivilisation' was an attempt to sell out by Orbital. I thought the album h

From:: Mark Bowen <mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU>
To:: Christian Bartholdsson <chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 08:03:59 -0600
Subject:: Re: Orbital

I din't think 'Snivilisation' was an attempt to sell out by Orbital. I thought the album had a few dissapointments and a few good songs maybe one or two really good songs. Of course it sounds like you just flipped 'Orbital II' over and found another few side but hey, these guys have been traipsing all over the world and I just assumed they tried to rush the album. -- Christmas carols are information viruses Mark Bowen Don't spread them to others mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu

1994-12-24 20:06Robert Arthur BreitkreuzOn Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Mark Bowen wrote: > I din't think 'Snivilisation' was an attempt to s

From:: Robert Arthur Breitkreuz <umbreitk@cc.UManitoba.CA>
To:: Mark Bowen <mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU>
Cc:: Christian Bartholdsson <chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE>, <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 14:06:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: Orbital
Reply to:: Re: Orbital

On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Mark Bowen wrote:

quoted 1 line I din't think 'Snivilisation' was an attempt to sell out by Orbital. I thou

> I din't think 'Snivilisation' was an attempt to sell out by Orbital. I thought

is it possible to 'attempt' to sell out? i thought selling out was rather black and white, either you do or you don't. if you can't successfully sell out there must be something wrong. rb

1994-12-28 23:19Kent WilliamsThe whole idea of 'selling out' is ludicrous. That 'Snivilisation' might appeal to some ma

From:: Kent Williams <cadsi.com!kent@elvis.cadsi.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:19:46 -0600
Subject:: Re: Orbital

The whole idea of 'selling out' is ludicrous. That 'Snivilisation' might appeal to some mass market (i.e. 14-25 year olds in the USA) more than anything they've done previously is a pretty doubtful proposition. They did something other than what might have been expected of them, and that apparently bugs some listeners. Tough shit. I've been a passionate listener and buyer of popular music since 1966 (my first record was Rubber Soul) and the 'X sold out' rant is as old as the hills. It's a dumb complaint, usually made by people who are so insecure that they define themselves in terms of the music to which they listen, and don't want anyone they don't consider cool to get in on the fun. As a case in point, (non-idm) I bought 'Slanted and Enchanted' by Pavement the day it came out and had that "I found something cool and no one else has heard it" buzz. Saw them play in a half full bar and stood Gary the wacky drummer a few beers beforehand. The next time they came around, they packed a bigger venue, and the frat boys knew all the words to 'Summer Babe.' They were the same band, but the context changed. You can't blame them for their context, or for getting lucky. So quit sniveling about sell outs and get a life of your own! ON AS I TYPE: Plastique. Hurt me good, Richie! -- Kent Williams kent@cadsi.com "Swirling a sound [in Quadrophonic Space] at an audio rate produces interesting spatial and modulative effects" -- Serge Modular Product Spec Sheet.

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