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quoted 6 lines This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred

>This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some sacred >formula like Christianity. Guitars are not heretical. If you doubt, trip back >in time to 1972 (or thereabouts ... Uncle Jonnie's brain isn't what it once >was) and slap on Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting." More experimental, >intelligent and out there than a truckful of Aphex Twerps. And guess what ... >most of it was done with guitars.

Somebody switched the de-caf out of the OpCode coffee pot, I see :-) Erm, "No Pussyfooting" ... 1973, mostly done on Revox A77 reel-to-reels. Experimental? Intelligent? Out there? Hell yes. More so than Aphex? Uh ... I don't think so. But comparing musics 20 years apart is hardly worth the bother. The contexts are too different. I like 'em both :-) As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of that Godflesh thingy) solo project Final; the album is called "One". Lots of guitars making strange mostly-ambient sounding thingies that don't sound anything like guitars. Then again, we're at the edge of the Universe here; one step further and we're into "Ambient Industrial" and that's best left for another place/list/newsgroup/whatever. ObWired: Tired Wired ----- ----- People who Good information bitch and sources, no matter moan about where they come "Wired" from or what gloss they're garbed in - Greg

On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, - Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 6 lines As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of

> As for guitars & Ambient, I could drop a mention of Justin Broadrick's (he of > that Godflesh thingy) solo project Final; the album is called "One". Lots of > guitars making strange mostly-ambient sounding thingies that don't sound > anything like guitars. Then again, we're at the edge of the Universe here; one > step further and we're into "Ambient Industrial" and that's best left for > another place/list/newsgroup/whatever.

Maybe not. For pure ambience/terror, "Pure II" from Godflesh's _Pure_ album is in the same vein as the final track on Skinny Puppy's _Last Rights_, the name of which escapes me. Maybe they're not danceable, but they're both approaching "ambientness", albeit from a different angle. BTW, just how many irons in the pot does Broadrick have? Painkiller, Ice, and one other one that's slipped my mind. Busy guy -- he does remixes too. I really like music today. Dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::: :: "The weak get crushed as the strong grow stronger..." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--The Jam::::::::::::::::::

If you want to talk about guitars and ambience, you must mention Labradford. I posted a review not long ago. One guy plays guitar, another a motley assortment of moogs. Most of their recording is done in a big echoey hallway in the basement of a university building, so they echo is natural rather than digital. They have some songs with words, and no beats, so it's not exactly IDM, but it is pretty ambient stuff.

On 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: : This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous. IDM is not some : sacred formula like Christianity. Guitars are not heretical. If you : doubt, trip back in time to 1972 (or thereabouts... uncle jonnie's brain : isn't what it once was) and slap on Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting." More : experimental, intelligent and out there than a truckful of Aphex Twerps. : And guess what... most of it was done with guitars. Jon, I haven't seen anyone arguing that guitars are "heretical" -- rather I've seen quite a few posters wishlisting/speculating about what their "ideal" guitar/electronic fusion would sound like. On the contrary, as long as artists avoid the recent "industrial" trap of trying to out-speedmetal the speedmetal bands I think there's a wide ground for cross-fertilization between genres. ...and I'd still like to hear Moore & Ranaldo jamming along with Underground Resistance... ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv

On 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 1 line This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous.

> This whole "guitar" debate is just getting ridiculous.

Hear Hear... It's like a bunch of rockers slagging off synths... Peace, Matt XLR8R Magazine, Seattle

None Fredrik wrote: "Amorphous' Tales Of Ephidrena? Anything special I ought to check out?" YES YES YES a billion times YES. best album of last year. /jon

On 27 Apr 1994, Jon Drukman wrote:

quoted 7 lines None

> None > Fredrik wrote: > "Amorphous' Tales Of Ephidrena? Anything special I ought to check out?" > > YES YES YES a billion times YES. best album of last year. > > /jon

And it's even got a guitar on it Jon ('Mountain Goat') ;-) __ Simon Walley | 1E 76 9A 0D 78 3A 3B 1C | /\ \ <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk> | A1 60 73 AE 8B 0E E0 B6 | /--\_\

a bit on amorphous androgenous-

quoted 1 line And it's even got a guitar on it Jon ('Mountain Goat')

>And it's even got a guitar on it Jon ('Mountain Goat')

i hate to be a complete idiot (though i might already be famous for it) but where is the guitar on mountain goat? if it is the lead melodic sound that i am thinking of... i can't be so sure it is a guitar... in fact i think it is a synth version of a guitar (i have heard some korgs that have sounds extremely similar to that). manish

On Wed, 27 Apr 1994, NEESH wrote:

quoted 12 lines a bit on amorphous androgenous-

> > > a bit on amorphous androgenous- > > > >And it's even got a guitar on it Jon ('Mountain Goat') > > i hate to be a complete idiot (though i might already be famous for it) but > where is the guitar on mountain goat? if it is the lead melodic sound that i > am thinking of... i can't be so sure it is a guitar... in fact i think it is > a synth version of a guitar (i have heard some korgs that have sounds > extremely similar to that).

Nope, it is a guitar (with delay). Future Music have an interview with FSOL this month and Brian Douggans (sp?) states this in the FSOL equipment list. And isn't that acoustic lead melody just the best? __ Simon Walley | 1E 76 9A 0D 78 3A 3B 1C | /\ \ <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk> | A1 60 73 AE 8B 0E E0 B6 | /--\_\

quoted 3 lines am thinking of... i can't be so sure it is a guitar... in fact i think it is

> am thinking of... i can't be so sure it is a guitar... in fact i think it is > a synth version of a guitar (i have heard some korgs that have sounds > extremely similar to that).

Well then, if its a synth I guess its OK. I was a bit worried I'd have to use the disc for a coaster from now on. Speaking of guitars, I heard a cool track on the community radio station last night. It was by a group in Barcelona called Barcelona-Tribe or B-Tribe for short. Lots of flamenco guitar, over ambient Italo house. What sounded like Nusrat Ali Fetah was mixed in as well. In short fairly nice. It was on a salsa show and the host didn't know what to make of it. She said, "Well this sort of sounds new age, but not quite, I really don't know what to call it, and I've never heard anything like it." I called in and helped her out. :-)

Jon Drukman <jon@opcode.com> writes: :Fredrik wrote: "Amorphous' Tales Of Ephidrena? Anything special I ought to check out?" YES YES YES a billion times YES. best album of last year." I rate it my fourth favorite album of 1993, after Sandoz ("Digital Lifeforms"), Sven Vath ("Accident In Paradise"), and Dreamfish ("Dreamfish"). 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808 0 Paul Rafanello Internet: 808STATE@DELPHI.COM 0 80808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808

Reply to: RE>None From: Robert B. Curlee

quoted 1 line The real underground will never fear commercialism.

>>The real underground will never fear commercialism.

Right on. Its good to hear someone has their head screwed on the right way.

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quoted 1 line The real underground will never fear commercialism????

> >>The real underground will never fear commercialism????

The 'real' underground? Yes. The real underground will not fear it it will embrace it. Ten years from now the things that are now 'alternative' will be old news, having already passed 'trendy'... If this 'real underground' is accepted as a continually changing thing, then maybe this is an accurate statement. If 'underground' is taken as a concept rather than a group of people. House music used to be underground. The rave culture used to be underground. Now its in every 'hip' rag from here to calamazoo. Everything will begin on the edge and be considered 'cool' and then it will be picked up by shrewd marketeers and sold until its old hat. It is the method of the beast. the corporate beast. enjoy the underground while its underground. but dont attach to it high ideals. there are those in every group who will sell the souls of the rest regardless of what some in the same group want. its a nasty law of nature...i have to deal with it in art...the fads, etc...i just have to try to keep growing and hope im never considered 'trendy' whoa what a tangent. but at least its not a religious argument later, jasonosaj

On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, B R O T H E R A L P H A B E T wrote:

quoted 12 lines Everything will begin on the edge and be considered 'cool' and then it

> > Everything will begin on the edge and be considered 'cool' and then it > will be picked up by shrewd marketeers and sold until its old hat. It is > the method of the beast. the corporate beast. enjoy the underground > while its underground. but dont attach to it high ideals. there are > those in every group who will sell the souls of the rest regardless of > what some in the same group want. > > its a nasty law of nature...i have to deal with it in art...the fads, > etc...i just have to try to keep growing and hope im never considered > 'trendy' >

My regards exactly but my point was in sort of taking it a step further and stating that when all the commercialism flourishes then those dedicated to "experimental" (i.e. underground) will push even deeper. This all in turn brings a wilder, weirder, underground while the "above" ground aspects that are being commercialized sort of help feed the growth of the more experimental by bringing money into the scene. We're kinda' going deep into it while my comment was aimed at a reference to an annoying strain on the list that I was not familiar with. Being new and all I apologize for the misunderstanding. I guess it's a pet peeve of mine when people criticize promotion of the scene. I realize that people can get pretty sleazy at times and there is no excuse for sleaziness. My misunderstanding. -robert

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quoted 5 lines From: Krystal Accardi <Mermaid1Love@mediaone.net>

>From: Krystal Accardi <Mermaid1Love@mediaone.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] none >Date: Mon, Jul 24, 2000, 2:22 PM >

quoted 4 lines I H8 IDM.... THEY WON'T TAKE ME OFF THE LIST! I H8 IDM THEY WON'T TAKE

> I H8 IDM.... THEY WON'T TAKE ME OFF THE LIST! I H8 IDM THEY WON'T TAKE > ME OFF THE LIST! I H8 IDM THEY WON'T TAKE ME OFF THE LIST! I HATE IDM > THEY WON'T TAKE ME OFF THE LIST! >

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It IS good, though I don't think any of the tracks are new. Here's my review: http://www.gridface.com/music/isophlux.htm Jacob

quoted 3 lines has anyone heard the new Isophlux comp? is it any good?

>has anyone heard the new Isophlux comp? is it any good? > >-scott

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