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non-idm stuff: What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK? I know your economy is generally lack-luster, but I always thought the music industry was as big over there as in the US--surely they would squeeze out vinyl in favor of larger profits with CDs. BTW, what's the going price for CDs in the UK? I generally pay 20-25$ for UK imported CDs and 10-13$ for domestic (US) CDs. I remember back in the mid-80's paying around $18 for import CDs and $15 for domestic. What happened? -- Brian sex = differentiation = death bhostetl@indiana.edu bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, Brian Hostetler wrote:

quoted 3 lines non-idm stuff:

> non-idm stuff: > > What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK?

Well actually we're all poor subsistance farmers here. I've only ever seen one CD player. And that was just a glimpse. I didn't get to touch it or anything.

quoted 4 lines I know your

> I know your > economy is generally lack-luster, but I always thought the music > industry was as big over there as in the US--surely they would squeeze > out vinyl in favor of larger profits with CDs.

Thats exactly what they are doing. Go into any big 'record' store and all you see is rows and rows of poxy little CD's with their shite tiny artwork and naff plastic cases Woah. Came over all funny there for a moment. *Any way*....

quoted 4 lines BTW, what's the going

> BTW, what's the going > price for CDs in the UK? I generally pay 20-25$ for UK imported CDs > and 10-13$ for domestic (US) CDs. I remember back in the mid-80's > paying around $18 for import CDs and $15 for domestic. What happened?

Filthy greedy bastards is what happened. There is *no* other excuse when CD's are actually cheaper to make than vinyl for CDs to be 5 pounds more expensive. There have been government inquiries and stuff, but still no change. R.H Kirk 2xLP = 8.99 pounds R.H Kirk CD = 13.99 pounds Nuff said methinks. We now all know the state of the CD vs vinyl biz. greg 3 0 3

quoted 7 lines What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK? I know your

> What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK? I know your > economy is generally lack-luster, but I always thought the music > industry was as big over there as in the US--surely they would squeeze > out vinyl in favor of larger profits with CDs. BTW, what's the going > price for CDs in the UK? I generally pay 20-25$ for UK imported CDs > and 10-13$ for domestic (US) CDs. I remember back in the mid-80's > paying around $18 for import CDs and $15 for domestic. What happened?

Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too much money out of CD's over here. It's not unusual to pay 13 quid (about 30 dollars) for a UK domestic release on CD! For whatever reason, the UK is about 3 to 4 years behind the US in terms of the death of vinyl. In fact, the (bogus) excuse that the record companies give for their high prices is the extra cost of having to release on 3 formats (CD, cassette and vinyl) compared with 2 in the US.... Cosmic

quoted 3 lines Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too

> Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too > much money out of CD's over here. It's not unusual to pay 13 quid > (about 30 dollars) for a UK domestic release on CD!

1 pound == US$1.50 +- .35 depending on the economy 13 pounds == US$21 still expensive, of course

quoted 3 lines Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too

> Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too > much money out of CD's over here. It's not unusual to pay 13 quid > (about 30 dollars) for a UK domestic release on CD!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ooops, that should say "about 20 dollars". But the point still stands.... we're paying more over here for a full price UK release then you are in the US for an imported UK release! Cosmic

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quoted 8 lines Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too

> > Partly, the problem is that the music industry is trying to make too > > much money out of CD's over here. It's not unusual to pay 13 quid > > (about 30 dollars) for a UK domestic release on CD! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ooops, that should say "about 20 dollars". > But the point still stands.... we're paying more over here for a full > price UK release then you are in the US for an imported UK release! > Cosmic

Can you say "dumping"? Can you say "protectionism"? Unfair trade practices? Muwwwwwhhhhaaaahahahahaha. What about our US record industry trying to get a share of the market in the UK? How much more difficult is it for foreign record interests (outside of the EEC => the US, Japan) to get market share when you have *artificially* inflated prices at home? Don't bitch at us about it. Talk to yer "democratic" government for trade reform. Are EEC-supplied CDs the same price as domestic or are they priced like the US "imports"? Do you smell a trade tariff? Oh, yeah, the US is such a world shithead when we consider a trade tariff. 'Cuz those are nasty and hurt the economies of all youse little countries....sniff sniff... What would Barney say? Is the UK unfairly jacking up its CD prices in a *protectionist* act to hinder the *choice* of the people to purchase US goods? I say yes. And, check this out, the largest foreign owner of US holdings is *not* Japan, but the UK. But, then again, they're our buddys, so its OK to get screwed by them. Seems like the only country that truly espouses "free trade" is the US, and all the foreigners bitch when the US says "enough". Just wait until Congress figgers out a way to charge foreign interests a "market access fee". Oh, you want to sell to US citizens, the largest collection of buyers and spenders in the world under one roof? Well, hehe, make your check out to the US Treasury *first*..... ......BAM! oops. Sorry, I just fell off my soapbox. Somebody slap me. Back to yer regular programming.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never under estimate the bandwidth of a station wagon loaded with mag tapes. -From the "kermit" manual ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 5 lines Can you say "dumping"? Can you say "protectionism"? Unfair trade pract

> Can you say "dumping"? Can you say "protectionism"? Unfair trade practices? > Muwwwwwhhhhaaaahahahahaha. What about our US record industry trying to get a > share of the market in the UK? How much more difficult is it for foreign > record interests (outside of the EEC => the US, Japan) to get market share > when you have *artificially* inflated prices at home?

I'd confused as to how *high* prices can be considered dumping. Yes, imports are even more expensive, but I think that's basically because the record shops know they can get away with it. After all, if people are prepared to spend 13 pounds on a UK release (and they are) then they're certainly prepared to spend more than that on an import. And yes, our government is investigating the record industry for unfair pricing practices.... I have grave doubts that anything will come of it, though..... Cosmic

quoted 1 line What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK?

> What's with the lack of CD player owners in the UK?

The other point that I perhaps should make (sorry for replying to the same post 3 times) is that in the UK vinyl isn't quite dead yet. So vinyl-lovers haven't really been forced to go over to CD yet.... I only bought a CD player last year, though I've had a good quality record playing system for many years..... Cosmic

quoted 2 lines ps. an import american cd single is usually about 8 pounds ($17????)

>> ps. an import american cd single is usually about 8 pounds ($17????) >> [excuse my sterling-$ conversion, i really haven't got a clue!]

quoted 3 lines $17?! I bitch when I have to pay $6! Hey, maybe I should start a

>$17?! I bitch when I have to pay $6! Hey, maybe I should start a >busines! Anyone want any US CD5s? Let's see...$10 each. I can get >Aphex's "On" US for any UK'ers.

I think that 8 pounds is closer to 12 or 13 bucks. Still, a profitable business waits to be undertaken.....trade someone 2 shamen singles for Reload, takers? ;) -boB