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1994-02-13 23:18WILL-E valid IDM posts?
1994-02-14 04:01Brian Behlendorf Re: valid IDM posts?
1994-02-14 05:35King James IV Re: valid IDM posts?
1994-02-14 15:32Shawn Travalent Re: valid IDM posts?
1994-02-18 06:17djkc Re: valid IDM posts?
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1994-02-13 23:18WILL-EI hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been contemplating for the past few minutes w
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WILL-E
Date:
Sun, 13 Feb 94 18:18:58 EST
Subject:
valid IDM posts?
I hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been contemplating for the past few minutes whether or not I should post here asking about the new Silent Records ambient compilation: From Here To Tranquility Volume 2 but I've been thinking that it's not related to Intelligent Dance Music (IDM) primarily because it's not dance music for a start... but then something like this comes up which really makes me wonder what happened to the inital purpose of this mailing list. Can we discuss what subjects are valid for discussion on here and restrict ourselves to it? Mary Kyrola O'Hagin <mohagin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
quoted 8 lines This is basically a vending machine that uses interactive> This is basically a vending machine that uses interactive > TV to help the user select what drink they want. It will > be vending alcoholic drinks (although options such as Coke and > OJ exist...*smile*). It will be marketed to bars and > clubs...although in the future, the restaurant market is viable. > Please send me any suggestions you might have. Since everyone > on this list seems to have a good grasp of technology, I > thought you would be a great group to ask.
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1994-02-14 04:01Brian BehlendorfOn Feb 13, 6:18pm, Will-E proclaimed: } I hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been
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Brian Behlendorf
Date:
Sun, 13 Feb 1994 20:01:08 -0800
Subject:
Re: valid IDM posts?
On Feb 13, 6:18pm, Will-E proclaimed: } I hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been contemplating for the } past few minutes whether or not I should post here asking about the new } Silent Records ambient compilation: From Here To Tranquility Volume 2 } but I've been thinking that it's not related to Intelligent Dance Music (IDM) } primarily because it's not dance music for a start... but then something } like this comes up which really makes me wonder what happened to the } inital purpose of this mailing list. Can we discuss what subjects are } valid for discussion on here and restrict ourselves to? When Fluid first asked if we could set up an Aphex Twin mailing list, I suggested we make it a little broader and include all "Intelligent Dance Music" artists, which was pretty much agreed meant bands that were either in or sounded a lot like Warp's IDM series. Musical styles always have precedents and origins, so it's only natural that people post about those too - I think that's one of the best parts of this, since I've found quite a few discs this way that I really love (like Strange Cargo III - thank you whoever first mentioned it! It's fantastic!). It seems as if IDM has become the idm/ambient/ trance/headtweak music mailing list, mainly because there's not another forum for it on USENET or in mailing lists, and that's terrific by me. Eventually, though, every large (IDM's at 206 right now) popular (one day last week there were 52 messages!) mailing list can sometimes get distracted and pursue topics which have little to do with the original intent but topics which everyone has an opinion about that they think everyone needs to know - the CD vs vinyl is an example, and while it probably would have been okay if it lasted a day or two, I sorta think it went way out of control. But, I sorta don't mind. A few others did, since there were like 10 unsubscribes this past week, but most people who have been on large mailing lists sorta expect occasional flares. SFRaves has periods like that, sometimes even three or four at once! This topic is sorta recursive, since the more we talk about this the less we talk about IDM :) If I were moderator of this list, I probably wouldn't have let Mary's post go through. I am not moderator specifically because I don't want to play the politics of "this is correct/that isn't correct", but sometimes when mail bounces from non-members and it's something that's been crossposted to all the regional rave mailing lists, alt.rap, rec.gardening, and comp.spinach, I usually toss it. However, I would have let Mary's go through if she had included a line like, "Oh yeah, Ambient Works 2 rocks!", or something else with a marginal shred of correlation to the kind of music we're here for, then in my mind that's fine. Sure, Mary's post probably didn't bother most people, but when the traffic on this list is as high as it's been recently an effort to make sure the quality of the posts remains constant would be really appreciated. In a similar vein, I'm proud to announce that I'm starting up a new mailing list, called darren-test, which will be comprised of nothing but test messages from Darren Emerson. You may subscribe, but posting a reply "we're here!" will cause Majordomo to automatically remove you. (JOKE JOKE JOKE - Darren, we luv ya! :) Anyways, it's probably obvious that people wouldn't be here in the first place if we weren;t all on similar wavelengths musically, so I think the occasional transgression can be easily forgiven. On Feb 13, 6:43pm, Mary proclaimed: } Yet, although I haven't posted on music stuff, or sent out test } messages, or asked other sorts of questions...I didn't think that } it would be totally out of line to post on something different. } After all, I was posting to a group of people who I had been } joined with on some level for 4(?) months. } } If y'all wanna keep it to strickly idm stuff, cool...I won't } post anything...but I somehow thought that the word intelligent } might mean soemthing on its own. Don't take this reply personally Mary - if you like the kind of music posted about here, post a question or post about your unfettered love for Rez or how you think Richard James should get a buzz. :) This is the kind of thing that's going to keep sociology graduate students in business over the next few years - the interaction between members of online communities is very complex, and it's very tempting to treat it as the real world's counterpart. On Feb 14, 1:13am, peter.gebert@attis.rz.uni-konstanz.de said: } do i think discussion of valid topics for discussion is valid? ;-) } mary's question is not a discussion topic. ...i think the only one who is } to judge whether the subscribers are discussing "valid" subjects is the one } who has to administrate the server, right? And I basically take a lassaiz-faire attitude about this all :) Anyways, back to your regularly scheduled metaprogramming. Brian
1994-02-14 05:35King James IVVery cool message Brian, perhaps Mary's planning on putting some of the Aphex Twin "On" (w
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King James IV
Date:
Mon, 14 Feb 1994 05:35:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject:
Re: valid IDM posts?
Very cool message Brian, perhaps Mary's planning on putting some of the Aphex Twin "On" (which doesn't frighten me in the least ;) video on her Cathode Ray Drink Vendoscope. I'm trying to remember who it was directed by - some guy from another band, but i can't recall who. Anyone know, just out of curiousity! Also, on listening to Tales of Ephidrina, the predator (or similar) samples seem to come in quite regularly - on In Mind for sure! Take care all! james
1994-02-14 15:32Shawn TravalentOn Sun, 13 Feb 94 18:18:58 EST, WILL-E wrote: >I hate to be the one to bring it up but I'v
From:
Shawn Travalent
Date:
Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:32:58 CST
Subject:
Re: valid IDM posts?
On Sun, 13 Feb 94 18:18:58 EST, WILL-E wrote:
quoted 9 lines I hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been contemplating for the>I hate to be the one to bring it up but I've been contemplating for the >past few minutes whether or not I should post here asking about the new >Silent Records ambient compilation: From Here To Tranquility Volume 2 >but I've been thinking that it's not related to Intelligent Dance Music (IDM) >primarily because it's not dance music for a start... but then something >like this comes up which really makes me wonder what happened to the >inital purpose of this mailing list. Can we discuss what subjects are >valid for discussion on here and restrict ourselves to it? >
OK Will-e your point about the vending whatever is well taken..but i have to disagree when it comes to narrowly defining the scope of the music that can be discussed on idm. First, like most folks, i'm certain that quite a few listen to very eclectic types of musics. Therefore i can say with reaonable certainty that most people will not mind reading reviews on music that you may deem on the fringe of YOUR DEFINITION of idm. Which brings me to another point, what makes you think that everyone will be able to agree on a satisfactory definition idm. And even if we were to have a working definition would the next step be to "blacklist" certain groups because they aren't dancy enough? But, wait that won't work because these musicians do not work in a vaccuum so maybe some of their tracks will be acceptable while others will not. Yes, perhaps that's it, we can discuss "Perpetual Dawn" because it made WILL-E move but we cannot discuss "Huge Pulsating Brain That Rules the ....". Or did you start to move a little when the bass kicked in? Well, Shit, maybe we can talk about parts of "Huge Pulsating Brain...." lets say the beat driven part from 8:15 to 10:45 . OK ? I hope you get my point. I don't mean to run you down, but truth be known...I don't even think we want to waste time defining the music we love. The descriptiions are never accurate and they just create more useless e-mail. You may be able to technically pinpoint a track but you can never describe the feeling of experiencining the purity of emotion when listening to sounds you have never heard before. Furthermore, i don't give a shit what your definition of idm may be. Get off your high horse and learn the truth ..... your definiton will be limiting and counterproductive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Peace, Guido For all your R&D needs... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^travalen@kcmetro.cc.mo.us^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^home of The Private Conspiracy (Shhhh!)^^^^^ ^^the Deep Thought Council^^
1994-02-18 06:17djkcFor those who have eaten their body weight in shrooms, and listened to a didgeridoo for al
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djkc
Date:
Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:17:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject:
Re: valid IDM posts?
For those who have eaten their body weight in shrooms, and listened to a didgeridoo for almost 24 hours straight, things can be heard that just might be danceable. That is, ambience should fall under IDM, if not for its possible danceability (which I tried to exemplify), then for its intelligent quality. -djkc ObIDM: Buy Higher Intelligence Agency's "Colourform" LP!