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1993-11-05 13:43DARSHAN M. JESRANI Re: let's rock (AFX)
1993-11-05 16:02Adam J Weitzman Re: let's rock (AFX)
1993-11-05 16:10Pete Ashdown Re: let's rock (AFX)
1993-11-05 16:54Samu Mielonen Re: let's rock (AFX)
1993-11-05 17:15DARSHAN M. JESRANI Re: let's rock (AFX)
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1993-11-05 13:43DARSHAN M. JESRANII may have entered this discussion without completely understanding what it is that's bein
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DARSHAN M. JESRANI
Date:
05 Nov 1993 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
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Re: let's rock (AFX)
I may have entered this discussion without completely understanding what it is that's being discussed, so let me ask a few questions: 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re- structured in a live-performance scenario than other artists' material because of their supposed lack of form? 2) Is the issue at hand whether or not Richard James is as talented as his fans believe he is, because 1) either is or isn't true? I assume that all of the other little sub-threads are products of this main discussion (ie. the assertion that R. James fans should be less 'fanatical' in their love/appreciation for his work). I just wanted you all to clarify things for me because I'd like to participate in this.. Thanks. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu
1993-11-05 16:02Adam J WeitzmanOn 5 Nov 1993, DARSHAN M. JESRANI wrote: > I assume that all of the other little sub-threa
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Adam J Weitzman
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Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:02:47 -0500 (EST)
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Re: let's rock (AFX)
On 5 Nov 1993, DARSHAN M. JESRANI wrote:
quoted 6 lines I assume that all of the other little sub-threads are products of this> I assume that all of the other little sub-threads are products of this > main discussion (ie. the assertion that R. James fans should be less > 'fanatical' in their love/appreciation for his work). > > I just wanted you all to clarify things for me because I'd like to > participate in this..
I'd like to post a "me too" on this, as I just found out about this list about 2 hours ago. What's the deal? ObAFX: I was at the VapourSpace/Orbital/AphexTwin/Moby show in Boston on Tuesday night and while Orbital was really good (better than when they opened for Meat Beat Manifesto last year, I thought), the Aphex Twin's material (some of which I recognized, some of which I didn't) blew me away. It was hard, it was different, it was absolute brain-candy dance music, an unexpected treat behind each beat. And it seemed a little more complex than average, as there was almost *no* melody to fall back on; the whole set was almost entirely rhythms. And the noises involved were certainly not your standard fare. Extremely entertaining and very good besides. (Moby's set was an entirely different beast altogether, excellent but in a different way.) - Adam J Weitzman INDIVIDUAL, Inc. weitzman@individual.com
1993-11-05 16:10Pete Ashdown> 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re- > structured in a
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Pete Ashdown
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Fri, 5 Nov 1993 09:10:28 -0700 (MST)
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Re: let's rock (AFX)
quoted 3 lines 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re-> 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re- > structured in a live-performance scenario than other artists' material > because of their supposed lack of form?
Sort of. What I'm saying is that Richard can lay down just about anything and be accepted by the fans in a live performance. Whether or not it has previously been recorded is not an issue.
quoted 2 lines 2) Is the issue at hand whether or not Richard James is as talented as> 2) Is the issue at hand whether or not Richard James is as talented as > his fans believe he is, because 1) either is or isn't true?
His fans believe he is God. I don't think he's THAT talented. There are plenty of other artists I hold above him.
1993-11-05 16:54Samu Mielonen* 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re- * structured in a
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Samu Mielonen
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Fri, 5 Nov 1993 18:54:42 +0200 (EET)
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Re: let's rock (AFX)
* 1) Is the issue at hand whether or not AFX tracks are more easily re- * structured in a live-performance scenario than other artists' material * because of their supposed lack of form? I'm not sure whether this is _the_ issue, but I feel it has relevance when discussing the fact that Richard plays different set at each town whereas Orbital may not (both performing live of course). I know this is a crude analogy, but consider is somebody changed a the order of chorus verse chorus in a, say Genesis track compared to what it might sound like if somebody played a different variation of an improvised jazz track. It is so much easier to change the improvisation piece than a more structured (and I mean structured in the way it is usually used) track. I am not saying that Orbital are like Genesis or that Richard is a jazz musician (although I'd admit that the latter analogy is not totally worthless). I'm not trying to say that AFX tracks are not structured - it's just that their structure is very different from what is the standard. Am I making any sense? * 2) Is the issue at hand whether or not Richard James is as talented as * his fans believe he is, because 1) either is or isn't true? I wouldn't like to draw too much parallel between them. To me Richard James is talented and a *visionary* (the soundscape he has created is quite unique in my opinion). It's just that when people feel compelled to say "A sucks because it's not like B" that I feel an urge to step in. Have an open mind and respect others' taste. And remember, beauty *is* in the eye of the beholder (at least I tend to think so). * I just wanted you all to clarify things for me because I'd like to * participate in this.. Please feel free to do so, this is an open forum after all. I hope that I didn't put any AFX twins off with my taste evangelism :) have a nice weekend, samu -- "Most people wouldn't know music if it came up and bit them on the ass." - Frank Zappa
1993-11-05 17:15DARSHAN M. JESRANIThanks, Pete, for clarifying.. I believe that AFX is musically talented - although it seem
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DARSHAN M. JESRANI
Date:
05 Nov 1993 13:15:36 -0400 (EDT)
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Re: let's rock (AFX)
Thanks, Pete, for clarifying.. I believe that AFX is musically talented - although it seems that much of his ability is latent, and has yet to present itself (at least in recorded form). I really enjoy some of the moody atmospheres he creates with his ambient work - some of it is moving.. However, when people begin to claim that he's worlds apart (in the best way) from other artists because of the sounds he uses - I tend not to agree. It's cool that he modifies his equipment, and has built his own circuitry to customize his music - but what seems to matter to me, the listener, is the end result. To me, the majority of his drums sound like an 808 (whether he's detuned the bass drum by some margin, or used the tom sounds in some way or another) - so it really doesn't matter to me that he probably built the device himself, although I do think that's cool.. It seems to me that any sounds and textures that he could possibly create could be re-duplicated by any creative individual who chooses to delve a little bit deeper into his/her equipment, and investigates the infinite variety of processing options available. Personally, I think he's a bit caught up in being 'techno' and cryptic, and that once he gets past that, his music will become richer. I mean can you imagine what it would sound like if he actually chose to develop an idea like Xtal (Ambient Works) - he could make something really satisfying and beautiful. The track is beautiful as is, it's just that I have to keep listening to the fucking thing again and again because I'm not satisfied with the way it leaves me.. Hahah. To me, Ambient Works is probably the most mature of all his work to date - isn't it ironic that some of the material was produced when he was really young - when he was creating music just for fun, before techno hit big, and without hype, image, or pretense? Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu