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2006-01-17 16:15Johan [idm] on the ep/album thing...
2006-01-17 17:15Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
2006-01-17 17:37chthonic Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
├─ 2006-01-17 21:45nat hawks Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
├─ 2006-01-18 00:51Greg Clow Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
│ ├─ 2006-01-18 11:27carl plugtwo Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
│ └─ 2006-01-18 12:56[idm] Exclusive radiomix by µ-ziq on Xltronic tonight
├─ 2006-01-18 12:32graham reed Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing...
└─ 2006-01-18 21:41nat hawks [idm] the buddha machine
├─ 2006-01-18 21:49theREALmxyzptlk Re: [idm] the buddha machine
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2006-01-17 16:15JohanLate post on this thread: About 10 years ago, this matter was discussed when people were c
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Late post on this thread: About 10 years ago, this matter was discussed when people were complaining about short albums... And then Grant from Rephlex posted a mail with the subject "7 words" and the message read: Kraftwerk Computer World 31 minutes 17 seconds (or however long it now is...) /Johan. ------------------------------------------ Johan Agebjörn antioxidant@glocalnet.net mp3s: www.johanagebjorn.info --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-17 17:15therealmxyzptlk@comcast.netAnd, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well. It just goes to sh
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And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well. It just goes to show how evolving technologies reshape definitions. LPs had time limitations of about 60 minutes before the sound quality diminished by sqaushing more grooves in. I dunno..I'm of the opinion that the whole thing is more gray than black and white - unless, of course, you are under the gun of radio guidelines or various marketing stipulations. Seems to me that much of the music we are referencing is about challenging boundaries anyway... jeff -------------- Original message ----------------------
quoted 11 lines About 10 years ago, this matter was discussed when people were> > About 10 years ago, this matter was discussed when people were > complaining about short albums... And then Grant from Rephlex posted a > mail with the subject "7 words" and the message read: > > Kraftwerk > Computer World > 31 minutes > 17 seconds > > (or however long it now is...)
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2006-01-17 17:37chthonic---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: therealmxyzptlk@comca
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quoted 3 lines And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well.>And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well. >It just goes to show how evolving technologies reshape definitions. >LPs had time limitations of about 60 minutes before the sound quality diminished by
sqaushing more grooves in. as i recall i had a YES album that was 30 minutes on one side (it was one song!) and that sounded really squashed. i think that's a maximum - LPs were more like 35-45 minutes on average. CDs upped the ante to an hour for a regular album, more for super self-indulgent types and compilations. even with the CD era there have been changes - you used to not be able to go above 74 minutes, then it started creeping up to 78. of course this is only useful if it's all good music. d. (now playing: tresor never sleeps, a great compilation which lasts 1.1 hours) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-17 21:45nat hawksi swear albums averaged 45 minutes for a really long time... at the moment it felt like it
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i swear albums averaged 45 minutes for a really long time... at the moment it felt like it was so you could dub it onto 90min cassettes if you wante.d...
quoted 37 lines From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>>From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> >Reply-To: <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] on the ep/album thing... >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:41 -0800 > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:15:51 +0000 > > >And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well. > >It just goes to show how evolving technologies reshape definitions. > >LPs had time limitations of about 60 minutes before the sound quality >diminished by >sqaushing more grooves in. > >as i recall i had a YES album that was 30 minutes on one side (it was one >song!) and that >sounded really squashed. i think that's a maximum - LPs were more like >35-45 minutes on >average. CDs upped the ante to an hour for a regular album, more for super >self-indulgent >types and compilations. even with the CD era there have been changes - you >used to not be >able to go above 74 minutes, then it started creeping up to 78. of course >this is only useful >if it's all good music. > > >d. >(now playing: tresor never sleeps, a great compilation which lasts 1.1 >hours) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2006-01-18 00:51Greg ClowAt 12:37 PM 17/01/2006, chthonic wrote: > >And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the
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At 12:37 PM 17/01/2006, chthonic wrote:
quoted 11 lines And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well.> >And, as I'd said earlier - a large chunk of the Morr catalogue as well. > >It just goes to show how evolving technologies reshape definitions. > >LPs had time limitations of about 60 minutes before the sound > quality diminished by >sqaushing more grooves in. > >as i recall i had a YES album that was 30 minutes on one side (it >was one song!) and that >sounded really squashed. i think that's a maximum - LPs were more >like 35-45 minutes on >average.
Yes, once you get more than 20-25 minutes on a side, the sound quality goes down considerably. I have a Public Enemy album that is somewhere close to 65 minutes, and they squeezed it onto a single LP using the awful thin vinyl that was typical from the major labels in North America in the 80s - it's listenable, but definately doesn't sound as good as it should. Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-18 11:27carl plugtwoYes, the Public Enemy 12" singles are the way to go. And you never fully appreciate the Bo
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Yes, the Public Enemy 12" singles are the way to go. And you never fully appreciate the Bomb Squad production until you hear those instrumental versions. Around 5 years ago, Universal/Island reissued loads of vintage Def Jam material on vinyl but missed a trick by not remastering it onto 2x12". carl morris Greg Clow wrote:
quoted 10 lines Yes, once you get more than 20-25 minutes on a side, the sound quality> > Yes, once you get more than 20-25 minutes on a side, the sound quality > goes down considerably. I have a Public Enemy album that is somewhere > close to 65 minutes, and they squeezed it onto a single LP using the > awful thin vinyl that was typical from the major labels in North > America in the 80s - it's listenable, but definately doesn't sound as > good as it should. > > Greg >
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2006-01-18 12:56phobiazero@xltronic.comI guess we have a few µ-ziq fans on this list? WHAT? Mike P has just finished his exclusiv
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I guess we have a few µ-ziq fans on this list? WHAT? Mike P has just finished his exclusive radiomix for the Xltronic webradio, which will get broadcasted tonight.... WHEN? Tonight (18/1) @ 8pm GMT WHERE? http://xltronic.com:8000/listen.pls WHY? http://xltronic.com/mb/85310/u-ziqs-exclusive-mix-on-xltronic-radio cheers, phobiazero http://xltronic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-18 12:32graham reedBack in the 80's, the average running time for an album was approximately 45 minutes - wha
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Back in the 80's, the average running time for an album was approximately 45 minutes - whatever you could fit onto a slab of 12" vinyl @ 33rpm without sacrificing sound quality.There's an example of an iron maiden live album where they say in the sleeve notes that iron maiden ALWAYS give their fans the best value for money by sticking the maximum length of music they can on a single disc without sacrificing sound quality - about 50-55 minutes as opposed to the normal 40-45. (They were just blowing their own trumpet, but there's some truth in it) The example I can best give here is Philip Glass's Koyaanisqatsi, which was brutally truncated from 75 minutes to 45. 75 minutes would have made a double album, which was deemed too expensive to make it worth manufacturing for a relatively 'niche' artist like Glass. bear in mind, we're talking a major label profit margin here (always much higher than independents) and we're not talking someone who will sell a million out of the box like frankie Goes To Hollywood. It was just down to market forces really - the price of a double album was deemed prohibitively expensive for the market place. The other thing was that with advances for record contracts being made on a per album basis, and contracts for say, 6 albums, why would anyone issue a double album of music which would mean you were effectively giving away a free album to the record company? Anyway, come the middle of the 80's, Cd starts to become dominant and album running times go up.At first its with CD bonus tracks to intice purchasers to buy it on the much more expensive CD format (at the end of the 80's , in HMV a new vinyl album cost about £6.49, and the CD about £11.99.) There was also the issue of i)re-selling us all the old records we alreadyowned but ii)the lower royalty rate on CD's for most artists (A big bone of contention with the Stone Roses contract with Silvertone; to this day, they get a reduced rate of royalties (about half) on CD sales). From about the mid-late 80's, there was no 'virgin' vinyl being produced anymore - ie vinyl which previously hadn't been used. That 'thin' vinyl referred to for public enemy was thus made from overstocks - previously pressed up unsold overstocks, all smashed up together and recycled, with a subsequent loss of quantity and quality caused by impurities (such as labels etc.). this was one of the reasons why a lot of vinyl bootlegs from that era came in coloured vinyls - they were pretty much impossible to recycle and as such, were v'virgin' vinyl. (See Clinton heyden's book -'The great white wonder', also reprinted and expanded under the title 'bootleg' for much more info on this. its a fascinating read in either edition) *shuts up* G __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-18 21:41nat hawkshttp://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fm3/buddha-machine.shtml has anyone played with
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http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fm3/buddha-machine.shtml has anyone played with one of these yet? what a cool fucking idea. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2006-01-18 21:49theREALmxyzptlknat hawks wrote: > http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fm3/buddha-machine.shtml > >
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quoted 3 lines > http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fm3/buddha-machine.shtml > > has anyone played with one of these yet? what a cool fucking idea.
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2006-01-18 23:09joshua twentythreei played with some that they were selling at MUTEK, they are pretty neat/weird little thin
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i played with some that they were selling at MUTEK, they are pretty neat/weird little things. fun. is that detailed enough for you? ;) joshua. ....... sometimes always. http://ropeswingcities.com http://ropeswingcities.com/josh23 http://spacepiratemusic.com http://acre-c.com
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2006-01-19 03:07lazloI've had one for a month or so, maybe longer...prolly spent about an hour playing it/playi
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I've had one for a month or so, maybe longer...prolly spent about an hour playing it/playing with it. Turning it on and letting play, it sorta can settle into the background like nice drone/dirge music...its repetitive nature makes for great accent music. I've thought about getting a few and setting them to playing in different sequences in different parts of a room like some sort of home art installation piece. It's also fun to mix it in with other drone-y or loopy music, like Gas or Jochem Paap's more ambient pieces. Heath joshua twentythree wrote:
quoted 41 lines i played with some that they were selling at MUTEK, they are pretty>i played with some that they were selling at MUTEK, they are pretty >neat/weird little things. fun. > >is that detailed enough for you? ;) > > >joshua. >....... >sometimes always. >http://ropeswingcities.com >http://ropeswingcities.com/josh23 >http://spacepiratemusic.com >http://acre-c.com > > > >>http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/f/fm3/buddha-machine.shtml >> >>has anyone played with one of these yet? what a cool fucking idea. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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