This very helpful. Thank you Brian
On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 8:03 AM Brian Behlendorf <brian@behlendorf.com>
wrote:
quoted 63 lines Hello from your friendly IDM list admin,
> Hello from your friendly IDM list admin,
>
> The mailing list manager we use, Ezmlm, is extremely cautious about
> dealing with bounce messages. If it sees even just one failed message (and
> messages sporadically fail with depressing regularity, particularly
> sending to gmail), it'll send you directly a "probe" a few days later,
> which will send you details about the bounce it's seeing. If that probe
> *also* fails, then it will remove the address. But if it succeeds - which
> is the warning message you're seeing - then you won't be removed. However
> that warning message also likely contains details about why the bounce
> happened - what the message was back from the server it tried to send to,
> for instance, or if there was a local issue on hyperreal, which there
> hasn't been, to my knowledge.
>
> So if you're concerned, feel free to send me the bounce warning / probe
> message you get, and I can try to figure out if gmail (and it's always
> gmail) is bouncing these messages for something I can try to do something
> about, such as being put on a spam blacklist. I don't get informed when
> those kinds of warnings get sent because they're so frequent. But usually
> the underlying causes of sporadic issues are things I have no control
> over.
>
> For the more nerdly of you out there, Gmail is threatening to block all
> mailing list emails in the future that don't use a generic "From" header
> that matches the domain of the sending MTA based on DMARC rules. For
> example, that means senders who use a @gmail.com address, but email to
> idm@hyperreal.org, when that message comes back to Gmail they will block
> it on the premise it looks like spam, despite that being how email
> forwarding and email mailing lists have worked since day zero, and will
> break email replies and otherwise make it challenging to know who sent an
> email. I have no time/interest in modifying ezmlm to forge the From
> headers to a generic address, as some other mailing list providers have
> done, so if that happens and gmail was no longer accepting mailing list
> emails from @hyperreal.org because of it, I'll probably just move all
> these to groups.io and get out of the mailing list hosting hobby.
>
> Also btw if you want reliable email from mailing lists or non-gmail
> senders, don't use gmail.
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Aleks tresorg wrote:
> > got them for some time but then they stopped,
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 11:29 AM Aniek de Rooij <aniekderooij@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, me too!
> >
> > Op di 12 nov 2024 om 11:28 schreef luca tommy tommasini <
> scaleni@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Yes, me too
> >
> >
> > Il mar 12 nov 2024, 10:05 Seth Branum <djmanos@gmail.com> ha
> scritto:
> > I keep getting these warning messages from idm-help. Not sure why
> my gmail would bounce messages. Is
> > anyone else getting these?
> >
> >
> >