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hello IDM board, I make music under the name Desolation Wilderness and I've posted some of my songs on the internet. Take a listen if you want and let me know what you think. I've encoded the mp3's at 190 because I feel like the sound quality will suffer too much otherwise. If you have dialup and want smaller files, I'll provide them. http://desolationwilderness.luniac.com/ thanks nic

hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as opposed to just glitch? just a ramble, shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if there were some, I must have missed them). I'm rather intrigued by this also. -----Original Message----- From: shift8 [mailto:shift8@digitrash.com] Sent: 28 August 2005 06:37 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] post glitch hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as opposed to just glitch? just a ramble, shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ditto -----Original Message----- From: Lee Stacey [mailto:lee@codeaudio.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:11 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if there were some, I must have missed them). I'm rather intrigued by this also. -----Original Message----- From: shift8 [mailto:shift8@digitrash.com] Sent: 28 August 2005 06:37 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] post glitch hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as opposed to just glitch? just a ramble, shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Someone explain what glitch is first maybe? Im not sure that I truly know. nate schmold www.neferiu.com www.mantrakid.com -----Original Message----- From: Obed Vento [mailto:ovento@keyleadsonline.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:12 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch ditto -----Original Message----- From: Lee Stacey [mailto:lee@codeaudio.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:11 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if there were some, I must have missed them). I'm rather intrigued by this also. -----Original Message----- From: shift8 [mailto:shift8@digitrash.com] Sent: 28 August 2005 06:37 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] post glitch hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as opposed to just glitch? just a ramble, shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In what context have you seen it used? In a way, it just sounds like one of those made-up Hyperbolies, since "glitch" itself isn't really that clearly defined. Its probably not a serious categorization. The only thing I can think of really that you might Use it is when talking about things that incorporate Glitchy elements, but have more song-like elements, Or strong elements of other genres, maybe like some of ellen alien's stuff, or like what exile is doing with d&b. - ctups --- WRECKED electronic music mailorder http://wrecked-distro.com -----Original Message----- From: Obed Vento [mailto:ovento@keyleadsonline.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:12 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch ditto -----Original Message----- From: Lee Stacey [mailto:lee@codeaudio.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:11 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if there were some, I must have missed them). I'm rather intrigued by this also. -----Original Message----- From: shift8 [mailto:shift8@digitrash.com] Sent: 28 August 2005 06:37 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] post glitch hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as opposed to just glitch? just a ramble, shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

as i understand glitch i think it's more of a sound then a particular technique, i've seen it developed and reffered to as glitch in several different ways. just grabbing chunks of things run through a granular synth and breaking those apart into individual sounds so that you end up with tons of little micro sampled clicks and clacks. as well as just microsampling itself, taking a fraction of a fraction of a sound and stringing them together to make rhythms. yeah, i guess it isn't too clearly defined what it really is, but you know it when you hear it ;). and as far as the actual question, i don't know that i've really heard anything that says to me, "well this is the next big thing," what i've been seeing a lot of is the techniques that have been floating around in IDM music for the last several years have begun to more and more rear their heads in more "accessible" types of electronic music, namely dance music and pop music. i heard a song on the radio yesterday that was for all intents and purposes something that could have easily been on Morr Music but it had some horrible pop vocalist shitting all over it. anyway, my point is, all you nerds need to come up with some new thing to geek out on, because all the guys who make minimal techno and house are onto you. ;) i think i managed to say almost absolutely nothing in this post. joshua. On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:32:13 -0400, cutups wrote

quoted 69 lines In what context have you seen it used?

> In what context have you seen it used? > > In a way, it just sounds like one of those made-up > Hyperbolies, since "glitch" itself isn't really that > clearly defined. Its probably not a serious categorization. > > The only thing I can think of really that you might > Use it is when talking about things that incorporate > Glitchy elements, but have more song-like elements, > Or strong elements of other genres, maybe like some > of ellen alien's stuff, or like what exile is doing > with d&b. > > - ctups > > --- > WRECKED electronic music mailorder > http://wrecked-distro.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Obed Vento [mailto:ovento@keyleadsonline.com] > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:12 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch > > ditto > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Stacey [mailto:lee@codeaudio.com] > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:11 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] post glitch > > Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if > there were some, I must have missed them). > > I'm rather intrigued by this also. > > -----Original Message----- > From: shift8 [mailto:shift8@digitrash.com] > Sent: 28 August 2005 06:37 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] post glitch > > hi list - steming from a discussion elsewhere, someone asked "what's > post glitch" as a progression. obviously, most musical styles have a > precursor that's pretty easy to trace in the formation of the new style. > what's post glitch? do you have an example? how has glitch informed > this new style, and what distinguishes it as being post glitch, as > opposed to just glitch? > > just a ramble, > > shift8 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 18:11 02.09.2005, Lee Stacey wrote:

quoted 2 lines Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if

>Pushing this one up again because I didn't see any replies (sorry if >there were some, I must have missed them).

i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of music styles as linear processes is deprecated and you didn't tell what you mean by glitch. the 1920's dadaist performances using defective gramophone players? the 1930's performances by john cage using radios? the 1950's distorted electric guitars? but you want an answer anyway, right? ok - the next big thing (but don't tell your friends) is "scramblism". sven. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of

> i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of > music styles as > linear processes is deprecated and you didn't tell what you mean by glitch. > the 1920's dadaist performances using defective gramophone players? > the 1930's performances by john cage using radios? > the 1950's distorted electric guitars? > but you want an answer anyway, right?

all of those meet the criteria of being production techniques that utilize the asthetic of unintintional results in a musical way, so i guess that's our working definition. part of the reason that i asked the question is because "glitch" really is very difficult to define. you've given a good illustration for "glitch"s evolution. that's pretty cool. but with that, you've kinda negated your first sentence. and it seems the use of that technique is so pervasaive now in idm/ebm/blablabla, i'd almost call it a style, even though the fundaments could come from any of the previous linear progressions of music (genre). and with that, "glitch' could be genrefied as hiphop, ambient, soul, etc. etc. so i kinda understand why you think that evaluating musical styles as a linear process would be depreciated. but then again, if i played a slick rick track, then an edIT track, you would know the difference right away, yet still see the (linear?) progression.

quoted 1 line ok - the next big thing (but don't tell your friends) is "scramblism".

> ok - the next big thing (but don't tell your friends) is "scramblism".

well - we got to find the next next big thing then, 'cause prefuse73 has the '70's soul LP in a blender' thing on lock. ;) -shift8 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

the "glitch" sound seems ot be described right now as having that impression of what people would consider an "error" especially with music playback machines....like the pops, the feel of "skipping" because of sounds intentionally and unnaturally skipping, and so on. I suppose also the turntable sound taken to the extreme? one more thought though: what about that "grating" sound that you can get when you play really fast notes on the drums...if that's done really fast, it gives off the same kind of sound as sometimes how the music sounds when a computer freezes up wihle playing music. also, about kid 606...is he considered glitch? if so, why? a lot of music seems to utilize this stuff but I guess the main thing is using that in dominance. On 9/2/05, shift8 <shift8@digitrash.com> wrote:

quoted 40 lines i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of

> > i've missed it intentionally because thinking of developement of > > music styles as > > linear processes is deprecated and you didn't tell what you mean by glitch. > > the 1920's dadaist performances using defective gramophone players? > > the 1930's performances by john cage using radios? > > the 1950's distorted electric guitars? > > but you want an answer anyway, right? > > all of those meet the criteria of being production techniques that > utilize the asthetic of unintintional results in a musical way, so i > guess that's our working definition. > > part of the reason that i asked the question is because "glitch" really > is very difficult to define. you've given a good illustration for > "glitch"s evolution. that's pretty cool. but with that, you've kinda > negated your first sentence. > > and it seems the use of that technique is so pervasaive now in > idm/ebm/blablabla, i'd almost call it a style, even though the > fundaments could come from any of the previous linear progressions of > music (genre). and with that, "glitch' could be genrefied as hiphop, > ambient, soul, etc. etc. so i kinda understand why you think that > evaluating musical styles as a linear process would be depreciated. but > then again, if i played a slick rick track, then an edIT track, you > would know the difference right away, yet still see the (linear?) > progression. > > > ok - the next big thing (but don't tell your friends) is "scramblism". > > well - we got to find the next next big thing then, 'cause prefuse73 has > the '70's soul LP in a blender' thing on lock. ;) > > -shift8 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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