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I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs the World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the cheapest option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are the likely pitfalls, missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular recommendations? Thanks! David ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum Transpositions, Izu vs the Andies on Stuff Records, and Grim Dubs 1 on Werk. Oh, and Heart of the Congos. -- "And then what do they do?" "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all accounts." This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

If i was you, i would get: a Rio Karma!!! if you can find one..... some reasons why its 20GB!!!!!! supports pretty much every audio codec you could ever want (even FLAC) will work with ANY operating system due to the device being plugged in at a network port and you can load up a java based client to send tracks over to it. I have infact used it with Linux, XP64 and MacOSX. all without reformatting or making any changes to the device!!! theyre pretty reliable! never had more than a couple of crashing probs with mine. Its smaller than an ipod!!! (ipods suck - unless you flash them with linux :-D) has funky ass VU meters on teh front!!!! monitor that audio pressure baby!!! No one wants them any more, you can get them dirt cheap it even has a mode that maps out the level of the track and displays this on the front so you can skip to areas where the track gets more intense and less intense.... really really good feature! Oh and if you are like me... or just really sad, you can rip the thing apart and install a 40gb version of the same drive thats in it!! woo!!!! bad points: they look ugly ummmmm... good luck on your hunt!! ive seen these in shops for less than 130 quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nibbles (forgot to cc this (dumbass)) (current fav listenings - Chris Clark - Ceramics is the bomb, The Flashbulb - Kirlian Selections, Amon Tobin - Permutation) you will get severly fed up with only 5gb to play with. i promise!!!!! On 23/08/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

quoted 36 lines I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs the

> > I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs the > World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... > > I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the cheapest > option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are the likely pitfalls, > missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular > recommendations? > > Thanks! > > David > > ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum Transpositions, Izu > vs the Andies on Stuff Records, and Grim Dubs 1 on Werk. Oh, and Heart of > the Congos. > > > -- > "And then what do they do?" > "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all > accounts." > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > attachment > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer > system: > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

i reccomend the Iriver, i got mine about six months ago and its performed like a champ. you can use it with any system as it just plugs in and acts a removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format, with a firmware upgrade you can watch movies on it. you can read books on it, it has a built in radio if you ever need that thing, and my favorite feature is that it has an input that allows you to record directly to MP3. i take it to shows with me all the time jack it in and go home with 320kb mp3's of the performances. there is also the internal mic that is good for taking to places and using to record stuff for later sampling, sort of thing. oh yeah, it also has a photo viewer. downsides are that the interface is -slightly- clunky, but once you get used to it its fine. and i don't so much like its random play feature works. josh23 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:13:08 +0100, Ant Mann wrote

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> If i was you, > i would get: a Rio Karma!!! if you can find one..... > some reasons why > its 20GB!!!!!! > supports pretty much every audio codec you could ever want (even > FLAC) will work with ANY operating system due to the device being > plugged in at a network port and you can load up a java based client > to send tracks over to it. I have infact used it with Linux, XP64 > and MacOSX. all without reformatting or making any changes to the device!!! > theyre pretty reliable! never had more than a couple of crashing > probs with mine. Its smaller than an ipod!!! (ipods suck - unless > you flash them with linux :-D) has funky ass VU meters on teh > front!!!! monitor that audio pressure baby!!! No one wants them any > more, you can get them dirt cheap it even has a mode that maps out > the level of the track and displays this on the front so you can > skip to areas where the track gets more intense and less intense.... > really really good feature! Oh and if you are like me... or just > really sad, you can rip the thing apart and install a 40gb version > of the same drive thats in it!! woo!!!! > > bad points: > they look ugly > ummmmm... > > good luck on your hunt!! ive seen these in shops for less than 130 > quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Nibbles > (forgot to cc this (dumbass)) > > (current fav listenings - Chris Clark - Ceramics is the bomb, The > Flashbulb - Kirlian Selections, Amon Tobin - Permutation) > > you will get severly fed up with only 5gb to play with. i promise!!!!! > > On 23/08/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs the > > World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... > > > > I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the cheapest > > option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are the likely

pitfalls,

quoted 8 lines missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular

> > missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular > > recommendations? > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > > > ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum Transpositions,

Izu

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> > vs the Andies on Stuff Records, and Grim Dubs 1 on Werk. Oh, and Heart

of

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> > the Congos. > > > > > > -- > > "And then what do they do?" > > "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all > > accounts." > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > > attachment > > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer > > system: > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK

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am very glad this conversation came up again... does the Iriver have a microphone jack? that looks pretty rad. 20GB drives are up on ebay... and i looove the idea of the FM recorder! stoned in the park, recording weird AM static... sounds like a good day to me. riokarma and i-pods don't appear to have a recording feature, correct?

quoted 116 lines From: "josh23" <josh23@acre-c.com>

>From: "josh23" <josh23@acre-c.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] MP3 Players (again) >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:41:30 -0700 > >i reccomend the Iriver, i got mine about six months ago and its performed >like a champ. you can use it with any system as it just plugs in and acts a >removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format, with a >firmware upgrade you can watch movies on it. you can read books on it, it >has a built in radio if you ever need that thing, and my favorite feature >is >that it has an input that allows you to record directly to MP3. i take it >to >shows with me all the time jack it in and go home with 320kb mp3's of the >performances. there is also the internal mic that is good for taking to >places and using to record stuff for later sampling, sort of thing. oh >yeah, >it also has a photo viewer. downsides are that the interface is -slightly- >clunky, but once you get used to it its fine. and i don't so much like its >random play feature works. > >josh23 > >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:13:08 +0100, Ant Mann wrote > > If i was you, > > i would get: a Rio Karma!!! if you can find one..... > > some reasons why > > its 20GB!!!!!! > > supports pretty much every audio codec you could ever want (even > > FLAC) will work with ANY operating system due to the device being > > plugged in at a network port and you can load up a java based client > > to send tracks over to it. I have infact used it with Linux, XP64 > > and MacOSX. all without reformatting or making any changes to the >device!!! > > theyre pretty reliable! never had more than a couple of crashing > > probs with mine. Its smaller than an ipod!!! (ipods suck - unless > > you flash them with linux :-D) has funky ass VU meters on teh > > front!!!! monitor that audio pressure baby!!! No one wants them any > > more, you can get them dirt cheap it even has a mode that maps out > > the level of the track and displays this on the front so you can > > skip to areas where the track gets more intense and less intense.... > > really really good feature! Oh and if you are like me... or just > > really sad, you can rip the thing apart and install a 40gb version > > of the same drive thats in it!! woo!!!! > > > > bad points: > > they look ugly > > ummmmm... > > > > good luck on your hunt!! ive seen these in shops for less than 130 > > quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Nibbles > > (forgot to cc this (dumbass)) > > > > (current fav listenings - Chris Clark - Ceramics is the bomb, The > > Flashbulb - Kirlian Selections, Amon Tobin - Permutation) > > > > you will get severly fed up with only 5gb to play with. i promise!!!!! > > > > On 23/08/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > > I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs >the > > > World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the cheapest > > > option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are the likely >pitfalls, > > > missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular > > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > David > > > > > > ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum Transpositions, >Izu > > > vs the Andies on Stuff Records, and Grim Dubs 1 on Werk. Oh, and Heart >of > > > the Congos. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "And then what do they do?" > > > "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by all > > > accounts." > > > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > > > attachment > > > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer > > > system: > > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with >the > > > University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK >legislation. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > >joshua. >-- >I'm all ABOUT adding kissing to the mix! It's what i do best. - t-rex >http://www.acre-c.com/josh23 >http://www.spacepiratemusic.com >http://www.communikey.us > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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yeah, you could easily plug a mic into the the line in on it. of course it's only an 1/8th inch plug, so you'd need an adapter or some such thing, but it's definitely mic friendly. you should go check out the iriver website: http://www.iriver.com/ they'll give you the lowdown on it all. i'm not sure about the riokarma's, but, i -think- there is an extra peripheral you can buy for ipods to record. but nothing built in. On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:30:21 -0400, nat hawks wrote

quoted 16 lines am very glad this conversation came up again...

> am very glad this conversation came up again... > > does the Iriver have a microphone jack? that looks pretty rad. > 20GB drives are up on ebay... and i looove the idea of the FM > recorder! stoned in the park, recording weird AM static... sounds > like a good day to me. > > riokarma and i-pods don't appear to have a recording feature, correct? > > >From: "josh23" <josh23@acre-c.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] MP3 Players (again) > >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:41:30 -0700 > > > >i reccomend the Iriver, i got mine about six months ago and its performed > >like a champ. you can use it with any system as it just plugs in and acts

a

quoted 69 lines removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format, with a

> >removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format, with a > >firmware upgrade you can watch movies on it. you can read books on it, it > >has a built in radio if you ever need that thing, and my favorite feature > >is > >that it has an input that allows you to record directly to MP3. i take it > >to > >shows with me all the time jack it in and go home with 320kb mp3's of the > >performances. there is also the internal mic that is good for taking to > >places and using to record stuff for later sampling, sort of thing. oh > >yeah, > >it also has a photo viewer. downsides are that the interface is -slightly- > >clunky, but once you get used to it its fine. and i don't so much like its > >random play feature works. > > > >josh23 > > > >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:13:08 +0100, Ant Mann wrote > > > If i was you, > > > i would get: a Rio Karma!!! if you can find one..... > > > some reasons why > > > its 20GB!!!!!! > > > supports pretty much every audio codec you could ever want (even > > > FLAC) will work with ANY operating system due to the device being > > > plugged in at a network port and you can load up a java based client > > > to send tracks over to it. I have infact used it with Linux, XP64 > > > and MacOSX. all without reformatting or making any changes to the > >device!!! > > > theyre pretty reliable! never had more than a couple of crashing > > > probs with mine. Its smaller than an ipod!!! (ipods suck - unless > > > you flash them with linux :-D) has funky ass VU meters on teh > > > front!!!! monitor that audio pressure baby!!! No one wants them any > > > more, you can get them dirt cheap it even has a mode that maps out > > > the level of the track and displays this on the front so you can > > > skip to areas where the track gets more intense and less intense.... > > > really really good feature! Oh and if you are like me... or just > > > really sad, you can rip the thing apart and install a 40gb version > > > of the same drive thats in it!! woo!!!! > > > > > > bad points: > > > they look ugly > > > ummmmm... > > > > > > good luck on your hunt!! ive seen these in shops for less than 130 > > > quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Nibbles > > > (forgot to cc this (dumbass)) > > > > > > (current fav listenings - Chris Clark - Ceramics is the bomb, The > > > Flashbulb - Kirlian Selections, Amon Tobin - Permutation) > > > > > > you will get severly fed up with only 5gb to play with. i promise!!!!! > > > > > > On 23/08/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple vs > >the > > > > World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the cheapest > > > > option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are the likely > >pitfalls, > > > > missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular > > > > recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum

Transpositions,

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> >Izu > > > > vs the Andies on Stuff Records, and Grim Dubs 1 on Werk. Oh, and

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> >of > > > > the Congos. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "And then what do they do?" > > > > "Er, quadratic equations mostly, sir. Fiendishly difficult ones by

all

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> > > > accounts." > > > > > > > > This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an > > > > attachment > > > > may still contain software viruses, which could damage your computer > > > > system: > > > > you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications

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I like the Neuros - http://www.neurosaudio.com 20 GB, in it's smallest configuration. hybrid flash/harddrive player for flexibility built in mic line in records mp3 or wav, up to 48khz (DAT quality) built in FM reciever built in FM transmitter (use it in the car, at home, wherever there's speakers and an FM tuner!) open source firmware. hardware schematics available for the taking. hardware upgradeable to larger drives, etc. open source conduit software for syncing. really affordable, considering some of the competition. Caveat - when I first got mine, it was broken, and I had to send it back. And, right now, about a year later, it's broken again - the battery/power subsystem is messed up, and I had to send it in for repair. On the plus side, their support personnel are awesomely helpful. And when it works (99% of the time I've had it) it's teh roxx0rz. Also, their soon-to-be-released 442 device will have: PVR functionality. mpeg, WMV, Divx, mp3, oog, etc. etc. analog video and audio inputs and outputs for easy connection to home video equipment 3.6 inch screen for watching video on the go. open source everything. dual core CPU!! Looks awesome, but expensive. -Ian -----Original Message----- From: josh23 [mailto:josh23@acre-c.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:35 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] MP3 Players (again) yeah, you could easily plug a mic into the the line in on it. of course it's only an 1/8th inch plug, so you'd need an adapter or some such thing, but it's definitely mic friendly. you should go check out the iriver website: http://www.iriver.com/ they'll give you the lowdown on it all. i'm not sure about the riokarma's, but, i -think- there is an extra peripheral you can buy for ipods to record. but nothing built in. On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:30:21 -0400, nat hawks wrote

quoted 17 lines am very glad this conversation came up again...

> am very glad this conversation came up again... > > does the Iriver have a microphone jack? that looks pretty rad. > 20GB drives are up on ebay... and i looove the idea of the FM > recorder! stoned in the park, recording weird AM static... sounds > like a good day to me. > > riokarma and i-pods don't appear to have a recording feature, correct? > > >From: "josh23" <josh23@acre-c.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] MP3 Players (again) > >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:41:30 -0700 > > > >i reccomend the Iriver, i got mine about six months ago and its > >performed like a champ. you can use it with any system as it just > >plugs in and acts

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quoted 3 lines removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format,

> >removable hard drive, it can play pretty much every audio format, > >with a firmware upgrade you can watch movies on it. you can read > >books on it, it has a built in radio if you ever need that thing, and

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> >directly to MP3. i take it to > >shows with me all the time jack it in and go home with 320kb mp3's of

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> >random play feature works. > > > >josh23 > > > >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:13:08 +0100, Ant Mann wrote > > > If i was you, > > > i would get: a Rio Karma!!! if you can find one..... > > > some reasons why > > > its 20GB!!!!!! > > > supports pretty much every audio codec you could ever want (even > > > FLAC) will work with ANY operating system due to the device being > > > plugged in at a network port and you can load up a java based > > > client to send tracks over to it. I have infact used it with > > > Linux, XP64 and MacOSX. all without reformatting or making any > > > changes to the > >device!!! > > > theyre pretty reliable! never had more than a couple of crashing > > > probs with mine. Its smaller than an ipod!!! (ipods suck - unless > > > you flash them with linux :-D) has funky ass VU meters on teh > > > front!!!! monitor that audio pressure baby!!! No one wants them > > > any more, you can get them dirt cheap it even has a mode that maps

quoted 11 lines out the level of the track and displays this on the front so you

> > > out the level of the track and displays this on the front so you > > > can skip to areas where the track gets more intense and less > > > intense.... really really good feature! Oh and if you are like > > > me... or just really sad, you can rip the thing apart and install > > > a 40gb version of the same drive thats in it!! woo!!!! > > > > > > bad points: > > > they look ugly > > > ummmmm... > > > > > > good luck on your hunt!! ive seen these in shops for less than 130

quoted 12 lines quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nibbles

> > > quid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nibbles > > > (forgot to cc this (dumbass)) > > > > > > (current fav listenings - Chris Clark - Ceramics is the bomb, The > > > Flashbulb - Kirlian Selections, Amon Tobin - Permutation) > > > > > > you will get severly fed up with only 5gb to play with. i > > > promise!!!!! > > > > > > On 23/08/05, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think this has a) been discussed before and b) tended to Apple

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> > > > vs > >the > > > > World flamewars, so off list replies are probably best... > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of getting an MP3 player. If I just go for the > > > > cheapest option at my selected capacity (5GB, I think) what are > > > > the likely > >pitfalls, > > > > missing features and hidden costs? Does anyone have particular > > > > recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > ObIDM: current favorite listening is Arpanet's Quantum

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interesting topic, thanks for all the info. i'm actually considering the 20GB Archos Gmini 402, mostly because it also plays video and photos (and even games!). but - i'm a bit worried about the screen size (2.2") , has anyone played with this device already? is the screen good enough to watch full movies? thanks! ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

http://knittingfactory.com/calendar/event_descrip.cfm?event_num=55856&room=1&location=1 i know this has been brought up before a couple million times, but i'm pissed. i was all stoked that the glitch show at knitting factory had five acts and i was interested in seeing two of the first three (hearts of darknesses and datach'i) and figured out of five acts i could get out early. turns out the show runs until 4am... maybe i'm old, and maybe i come from a "rock n' roll man!" background, but this seems like a tradition of techno/rave, and shouldn't be assumed for newer electronic music (this is not dance music, so why are there club hours?!?!?). i in no way am flaming the promoters of this event, i'm very glad they put it together, just as a general statement... i go to a lot of electronic shows alone as not to risk convincing a friend to go and them not liking it. and personally, i love going to big line-up shows that start at 8:00 pm. you get to watch the first couple acts with a cup of coffee, move to beer, good times. grumble-grumble _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Same here in Germany. You go to a party before 1am and you'll be tired before something really gets started. And at least at the weekends its nothing special if people still are dancing at 6 in the morning. I always was wondering why these things happen. When I started going to clubs (like 10 years before) parties usually started like 9 or 10 pm, but maybe this was because I went to the greenhorn-places. And still I am wondering what people do before starting the night. Are they home watching videos, playing with themselves (or optionally boy- or girlfiriend)? Dunno Sok Irene McC schrieb:

quoted 9 lines You should come to South Africa... NOTHING starts before 11pm.

>You should come to South Africa... NOTHING starts before 11pm. >Doors will open at 9, but if you do happen to come along at 9, there >will be nobody at the door to let you in, the venue will still be in the >setting up stages, all lights up and people will look at you strange. > >Headliners won't come on before round about 1am (and that's also >when any self-respecting posers arrive). Come 3 in the morning, and >the joint will be jumping. >

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quoted 17 lines > http://knittingfactory.com/calendar/event_descrip.cfm?event_num=55856&room=1&location=1 > > i know this has been brought up before a couple million times, but i'm > pissed. i was all stoked that the glitch show at knitting factory had five > acts and i was interested in seeing two of the first three (hearts of > darknesses and datach'i) and figured out of five acts i could get out early. > turns out the show runs until 4am... maybe i'm old, and maybe i come from > a "rock n' roll man!" background, but this seems like a tradition of > techno/rave, and shouldn't be assumed for newer electronic music (this is > not dance music, so why are there club hours?!?!?). i in no way am flaming > the promoters of this event, i'm very glad they put it together, just as a > general statement... i go to a lot of electronic shows alone as not to risk > convincing a friend to go and them not liking it. and personally, i love > going to big line-up shows that start at 8:00 pm. you get to watch the > first couple acts with a cup of coffee, move to beer, good times. > > grumble-grumble

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quoted 4 lines I understand from elsewhere that NYC is the greatest city

> > I understand from elsewhere that NYC is the greatest city > on earth... maybe you guys don't have dayjobs to go to, so > there are no "school nights"?

Hah! I wish... I ended up taking the day off tomorrow just so I could see Shitmat tonight in Brooklyn! Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

where is that?

quoted 21 lines From: mtasker@optonline.net

>From: mtasker@optonline.net >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] electronic-shows run too late! (againagiangaing) >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:46:32 -0400 > >hime@charter.net wrote: > > > > I understand from elsewhere that NYC is the greatest city > > on earth... maybe you guys don't have dayjobs to go to, so > > there are no "school nights"? > >Hah! I wish... I ended up taking the day off tomorrow just so I could see >Shitmat tonight in Brooklyn! > > >Matt > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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It's the 1-year anniversary of the Wrecking Ball ( weekly breakcore shows, http://www.societycleaners.org/wreckingball.html ) and it's at the Lucky Cat in Williamsburg - http://www.theluckycat.com has directions nat hawks wrote:

quoted 5 lines where is that?

> where is that? > > > >Hah! I wish... I ended up taking the day off tomorrow > >just so I could see Shitmat tonight in Brooklyn!

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hell, i'm actually a seventh grade english teacher, reporting to work at 7:30am with a 45minute+ commute... during the school year i don't go out to much of anything (unless you call falling asleep on the couch with a half eaten burrito and a blockbuster receipt on my lap doing something)...

quoted 40 lines From: <hime@charter.net>

>From: <hime@charter.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] electronic-shows run too late! (againagiangaing) >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 9:33:42 -0500 > > > >http://knittingfactory.com/calendar/event_descrip.cfm?event_num=55856&room=1&location=1 > > > > i know this has been brought up before a couple million times, but i'm > > pissed. i was all stoked that the glitch show at knitting factory had >five > > acts and i was interested in seeing two of the first three (hearts of > > darknesses and datach'i) and figured out of five acts i could get out >early. > > turns out the show runs until 4am... maybe i'm old, and maybe i come >from > > a "rock n' roll man!" background, but this seems like a tradition of > > techno/rave, and shouldn't be assumed for newer electronic music (this >is > > not dance music, so why are there club hours?!?!?). i in no way am >flaming > > the promoters of this event, i'm very glad they put it together, just as >a > > general statement... i go to a lot of electronic shows alone as not to >risk > > convincing a friend to go and them not liking it. and personally, i >love > > going to big line-up shows that start at 8:00 pm. you get to watch the > > first couple acts with a cup of coffee, move to beer, good times. > > > > grumble-grumble > >I understand from elsewhere that NYC is the greatest city on earth... maybe >you guys don't have dayjobs to go to, so there are no "school nights"? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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What can you do. It's the whole nature/culture of the beast. I live just outside of Detroit - which is full of good shows - and because my day job has me up at 4:30 am (1), I have an unforgiving employer (Generous Motors) (2), I am hourly and I can't afford to blow days off if I could get them (3) and even if I could, I have a nasty sleep disorder which would make me a zombie for days even if all of the other conditions were in play to go. As a result, I miss almost all of the great stuff going on under my nose - especially the fine Paxahau promotions. I've always wondered how it is that 'everyone' else makes it to all of these mid-week gigs and parties which don't even start until hours after I'm in bed or even about the time I get up. jeff

quoted 12 lines hime@charter.net wrote:

> hime@charter.net wrote: > > > > I understand from elsewhere that NYC is the greatest city > > on earth... maybe you guys don't have dayjobs to go to, so > > there are no "school nights"? > > Hah! I wish... I ended up taking the day off tomorrow just so I could see > Shitmat tonight in Brooklyn! > > > Matt >

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:-) Seeing as how I have 29.5 years seniority, that doesn't seem like the wisest option at this juncture. At least I can pretend I'll have a pension while I'm doing my Ph.D. jeff

quoted 15 lines What can you do. It's the whole nature/culture of the beast. I live just

> > What can you do. It's the whole nature/culture of the beast. I live just > outside of Detroit - which is full of good shows - and because my day job has > me up at 4:30 am (1), I have an unforgiving employer (Generous Motors) (2), I am > hourly and I can't afford to blow days off if I could get them (3) and even if I > could, I have a nasty sleep disorder which would make me a zombie for days even > if all of the other conditions were in play to go. > > As a result, I miss almost all of the great stuff going on under my nose - > especially the fine Paxahau promotions. > > I've always wondered how it is that 'everyone' else makes it to all of these > mid-week gigs and parties which don't even start until hours after I'm in bed or > even about the time I get up. > > > > Screw that, you should be looking for another job since GMC ain't gonna be > around forever.

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