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2005-08-03 17:27therealmxyzptlk@comcast.netAnd just to clarify: My own 'contribution' to this topic was not to deride women or guitar
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Luis-Manuel Garcia , Indigo Danelions Merrygolds
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And just to clarify: My own 'contribution' to this topic was not to deride women or guitars and I do believe I said that "part of me can grasp the theoretical implications" of the whole shebang...but there is that part of me which exists that reacts to the initial slap of the idea. Certainly the notion that there is such a reaction speaks to layers of imbedded hierarchical training with regard to what is and is not a waste of time. Additionally, I can be as self-effacing as the next guy/girl with regard to my own academic pretentions, so it is not as though the pot, in this case, does not understand its own shade while observing that of the kettle. Without more information about what the thing is - and even with it - there is a lot to wade through in the Foucauldian sense when looking at why some things are considered more practical than others. You gotta admit, though - those who are not given to close reading the implications of post-grad air guitar (and even those who would be so inclined) are presented with a trophy example of what they might consider 'air-academics' on the surface of it. (which, of course, make it an even more valuable object for such scrutiny. Aporia-riffic...accent on the "riff") jeff
quoted 19 lines Ok, two last things:> Ok, two last things: > > 1. I'm curious to know if this person is applying for a PhD in > Performance (which would actually make it a DMA in most parts), or > rather in a Cultural Studies/Ethnomusicology/Anthropology sort of > study of Air Guitar as a social phenomenon. If it's the latter, then > that is nothing new, and no more or less silly than a doctorate on > the use of slang and neologisms in Buffy episodes (a real diss. topic). > > 2. As much as it is easy to make fun of someone (in this case a > woman, which adds another layer of meaning in this context) who wants > to do a PhD in Air Guitar, I'm reminded of the derisive laughter I > used to get (and sometimes still do get) when I first started to > study electronic dance music. A couple of decades ago, scholars got > the same treatment for studying Rock and Jazz music (especially the > racially-inflected stuff). What is acceptable and what is "silly" > says a lot about tides of cultural power, and it does not seem to > bode well for women and guitars. >
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2005-08-03 19:45Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.ukI'm with Jeff, but also identify with the poster here, since I had my share of grief in dr
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I'm with Jeff, but also identify with the poster here, since I had my share of grief in dragging forward a PhD (unfinished) on the resplendently vacuous topic of 'The Semiotics of Ambient Music'. The postmodern condition casts us adrift in a relativistic flux where notions of what has value are easily characterisable as hegemonically constructed. When I read that last sentence, I am simultaneously struck by its pretentiousness and its salience. QED. A PhD on 'The Teleology of Oral Cancer' is sanctioned and protected by being sited in an academic discourse community which is partly legitimised by its interface with widely recognised social and functional goals. A PhD on 'Air Guitar' is more vulnerable to ridicule since it is not so consensually situated and sanctioned. 'Silliness' is, as they are wont to say in these circles, a social construct. And did not Sylvian (1983) observe, in an early project in this field, "I play my air guitar"? alan Quoting therealmxyzptlk@comcast.net:
quoted 7 lines And just to clarify:> And just to clarify: > My own 'contribution' to this topic was not to deride women or > guitars and I do believe I said that "part of me can grasp the > theoretical implications" of the whole shebang...but there is that > part of me which exists that reacts to the initial slap of the idea. > Certainly the notion that there is such a reaction speaks to layers > of imbedded hierarchical training with regard to what is and is
not a
quoted 2 lines waste of time. Additionally, I can be as self-effacing as the next> waste of time. Additionally, I can be as self-effacing as the next > guy/girl with regard to my own academic pretentions, so it is not
as
quoted 1 line though the pot, in this case, does not understand its own shade> though the pot, in this case, does not understand its own shade
while
quoted 1 line observing that of the kettle. Without more information about what> observing that of the kettle. Without more information about what
the
quoted 2 lines thing is - and even with it - there is a lot to wade through in the> thing is - and even with it - there is a lot to wade through in the > Foucauldian sense when looking at why some things are
considered more
quoted 2 lines practical than others.> practical than others. > You gotta admit, though - those who are not given to close
reading
quoted 1 line the implications of post-grad air guitar (and even those who> the implications of post-grad air guitar (and even those who
would be
quoted 1 line so inclined) are presented with a trophy example of what they> so inclined) are presented with a trophy example of what they
might
quoted 11 lines consider 'air-academics' on the surface of it. (which, of course,> consider 'air-academics' on the surface of it. (which, of course, > make it an even more valuable object for such scrutiny. > Aporia-riffic...accent on the "riff") > > jeff > > > > Ok, two last things: > > > > 1. I'm curious to know if this person is applying for a PhD in > > Performance (which would actually make it a DMA in most
parts), or
quoted 2 lines rather in a Cultural Studies/Ethnomusicology/Anthropology sort> > > rather in a Cultural Studies/Ethnomusicology/Anthropology sort
of
quoted 4 lines study of Air Guitar as a social phenomenon. If it's the latter,> > > study of Air Guitar as a social phenomenon. If it's the latter, > then > > that is nothing new, and no more or less silly than a doctorate
on
quoted 2 lines the use of slang and neologisms in Buffy episodes (a real> > > the use of slang and neologisms in Buffy episodes (a real
diss.
quoted 3 lines topic).> topic). > > > > 2. As much as it is easy to make fun of someone (in this case
a
quoted 1 line woman, which adds another layer of meaning in this context)> > woman, which adds another layer of meaning in this context)
who
quoted 5 lines wants> wants > > to do a PhD in Air Guitar, I'm reminded of the derisive laughter I > > > used to get (and sometimes still do get) when I first started to > > study electronic dance music. A couple of decades ago,
scholars
quoted 2 lines got> got > > the same treatment for studying Rock and Jazz music
(especially the
quoted 4 lines racially-inflected stuff). What is acceptable and what is "silly"> > > racially-inflected stuff). What is acceptable and what is "silly" > > > says a lot about tides of cultural power, and it does not seem
to
quoted 9 lines bode well for women and guitars.> > > bode well for women and guitars. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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