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quoted 4 lines Oi !

>> Oi ! >> But have you heard the Rat Relocation Project? > > Many times.

I've own it, and have listened to it more than a few times. >> If so, did you try and suffer through it more than

quoted 3 lines once?

>> once? > > It's phenomenal. Much better than the film Solaris.

I forced myself to listen to it past the first complete listen, hoping to find something else. alas, I found nothing but a shallow piece of work outside of the actual concept. Solaris on the other hand Is an absolute fucking masterpiece in every way and one of my favorite films of all time. the criterion version is worth every penny and I suggest you give it another chance after reading some more insight as to what Tarkovsky and Lem were trying to say with their versions of this mindblowing book/film.

quoted 4 lines Matmos is as Matmos does but how does something

>> Matmos is as Matmos does but how does something >> like this get released? > > It's part of a series of similar stuff, and most of it's pretty good stuff.

here I partially agree, it's mostly decent stuff for what they're trying to achieve, this work in particular I felt was an afterthought past the liner notes.

quoted 4 lines And what made me think I'd

>> And what made me think I'd >> like it after reading the description? > > Drew Daniel writes good publicity?

drew daniel is very photogenic naked. -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things. that's why Lem was mad when he saw the way his book was about to be used for other purposes than its own. anyway, this is strongly off-topic. kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:

quoted 67 lines Oi !

>>>Oi ! >>>But have you heard the Rat Relocation Project? >>> >>> >>Many times. >> >> > >I've own it, and have listened to it more than a few times. > > > >> If so, did you try and suffer through it more than > > >>>once? >>> >>> >> >>It's phenomenal. Much better than the film Solaris. >> >> > >I forced myself to listen to it past the first complete listen, hoping to >find something else. alas, I found nothing but a shallow piece of work >outside of the actual concept. >Solaris on the other hand Is an absolute fucking masterpiece in every way >and one of my favorite films of all time. the criterion version is worth >every penny and I suggest you give it another chance after reading some more >insight as to what Tarkovsky and Lem were trying to say with their versions >of this mindblowing book/film. > > > >>>Matmos is as Matmos does but how does something >>>like this get released? >>> >>> >>It's part of a series of similar stuff, and most of it's pretty good stuff. >> >> > >here I partially agree, it's mostly decent stuff for what they're trying to >achieve, this work in particular I felt was an afterthought past the liner >notes. > > > >>>And what made me think I'd >>>like it after reading the description? >>> >>> >>Drew Daniel writes good publicity? >> >> > >drew daniel is very photogenic naked. > >-kiya > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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quoted 3 lines dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things.

> dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things. > that's why Lem was mad when he saw the way his book was about to be used > for other purposes than its own. anyway, this is strongly off-topic.

did you not read what I wrote? I clipped it for you below so you can reread it. notice the word "versions"? I fully understand the difference in what Lem meant by writing the book the way he did, Tarkovsky took Solaris expanded on it in a direction that Lem didn't agree with, that's why Lem raised such a stink about it. He couldn't handle seeing his own work being twisted for a film. Regardless, both of their versions are amazing in their own way. :) -kiya

quoted 8 lines I forced myself to listen to it past the first complete listen, hoping to

>> I forced myself to listen to it past the first complete listen, hoping to >> find something else. alas, I found nothing but a shallow piece of work >> outside of the actual concept. >> Solaris on the other hand Is an absolute fucking masterpiece in every way >> and one of my favorite films of all time. the criterion version is worth >> every penny and I suggest you give it another chance after reading some more >> insight as to what Tarkovsky and Lem were trying to say with their versions >> of this mindblowing book/film.

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On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 09:55 PM, kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:

quoted 9 lines And what made me think I'd

>>> And what made me think I'd >>> like it after reading the description? >> >> Drew Daniel writes good publicity? > > drew daniel is very photogenic naked. > > -kiya >

So I'm not the only one who read that interview in BUTT. =] Luis P.S. It's a real magazine. I swear. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 10 lines And what made me think I'd

>>>> And what made me think I'd >>>> like it after reading the description? >>> >>> Drew Daniel writes good publicity? >> >> drew daniel is very photogenic naked. >> >> -kiya >> > So I'm not the only one who read that interview in BUTT. =]

actually, if you go to Aquarius Records in san francisco.. there is a 4"x 6" picture of drew behind the counter. he's naked. with the exception of a plastic fish with a hole in the top, and his genitals are stuffed into the plastic fish. it's so the fish catches all his sweat as he's dancing at the gay club he used to dance at for money. :) -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 10:54 PM, kiya iamacopier babzani wrote:

quoted 21 lines And what made me think I'd

>>>>> And what made me think I'd >>>>> like it after reading the description? >>>> >>>> Drew Daniel writes good publicity? >>> >>> drew daniel is very photogenic naked. >>> >>> -kiya >>> >> So I'm not the only one who read that interview in BUTT. =] > > actually, if you go to Aquarius Records in san francisco.. > there is a 4"x 6" picture of drew behind the counter. > he's naked. with the exception of a plastic fish with a hole in the > top, > and his genitals are stuffed into the plastic fish. > it's so the fish catches all his sweat as he's dancing at the gay club > he > used to dance at for money. > :) >

Ah yes. Vice magazine has a copy of this picture in one of their online articles (search for "Matmos' teabagging days"). Don't ask me how I know this. Anyway, the pics in BUTT are of DD and MCS giving the full monty in their hotel room sometime around the endstages of A Civil War. The interview is more interesting (honestly), but you can't pass up the puerile amusement of seeing (idm) celebrities naked. tappity-tap, Luis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things.

> dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things. > that's why Lem was mad when he saw the way his book was about to be used > for other purposes than its own. anyway, this is strongly off-topic.

PKD thought that Lem was a spy. Lem thought PKD was brilliant. Logic? seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask you people, what do you read, or have read in the past. what's good literature according to you, and most importatnly, is there anything you can relate directly to electronic music, techno, idm and experimental and whatever else you call it? for instance, i know that the people who invented the term "techno" borrowed it from a novel from Alvin Toffler, maybe the third wave. anyway, the story was about the "techno renegades", and those guys in detroit decided that they were techno renegades, that's why they called their style "techno" in order to advertise it to bigger audiences. i wrote once a specific shrot article for a sci-fi fanzine on how sci-fi and electronic music are similar. if i find it, i will paste it here. otherwise, i'm going to write it again. good night everybody, dobri "The best way to predict the future is to go (mentally) in the direction in which your fears grow." "What some people perceive as the end of the world, for History is just the sign that Future is coming." seek wrote:

quoted 24 lines From: "dobri"

>From: "dobri" > > > >>dude, tarkowski and lem wanted to say completely different things. >>that's why Lem was mad when he saw the way his book was about to be used >>for other purposes than its own. anyway, this is strongly off-topic. >> >> > > >PKD thought that Lem was a spy. >Lem thought PKD was brilliant. >Logic? > >seek > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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quoted 20 lines speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask

> speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask > you people, what do you read, or have read in the past. what's good > literature according to you, and most importatnly, is there anything you > can relate directly to electronic music, techno, idm and experimental > and whatever else you call it? for instance, i know that the people who > invented the term "techno" borrowed it from a novel from Alvin Toffler, > maybe the third wave. anyway, the story was about the "techno > renegades", and those guys in detroit decided that they were techno > renegades, that's why they called their style "techno" in order to > advertise it to bigger audiences. > > i wrote once a specific shrot article for a sci-fi fanzine on how sci-fi > and electronic music are similar. if i find it, i will paste it here. > otherwise, i'm going to write it again. > > "The best way to predict the future is to go (mentally) in the direction > in which your fears grow." > > "What some people perceive as the end of the world, for History is just > the sign that Future is coming."

I'm Nea; Stephenson's buttboy. That being said, I'm having a tough go with his latest series. Can't wait to see what he does next, though. -- The best show killed by Cartoon Network/Adult Swim: Home Movies. Season 1, Out on DVD - November 16th. http://homemovies.toonzone.net/DVD.html (Entertainment Weekly endorsed it after it was canceled - what does that tell you?) If he knows how the world works, how come he's done such an awful job? Think about that next month. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I keep meaning to. Kim Stanley Robinson is also good, and he wrote his thesis on PKD. Don't read his Antarctica, though, it's not very good. Other than that I give high respect to Ken MacLeod and Alastair Reynolds - Scottish & Welsh/Dutch (respectively) authors of smart space opera... Something vaguely IDM about them. If you like Vernor Vinge... -adam piontek dobri wrote:

quoted 2 lines speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask

> speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask > you people, what do you read, or have read in the past. what's good

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or William Gibson, TEH cyberpunk writer imo Philip K. Dick rulz btw, started reading some of his books after seeing Blade Runner which was based on his "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" book On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:02 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:

quoted 22 lines Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I keep

> Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I keep > meaning to. Kim Stanley Robinson is also good, and he wrote his thesis > on PKD. Don't read his Antarctica, though, it's not very good. > > Other than that I give high respect to Ken MacLeod and Alastair Reynolds > - Scottish & Welsh/Dutch (respectively) authors of smart space opera... > Something vaguely IDM about them. If you like Vernor Vinge... > > -adam piontek > > > > > dobri wrote: > > speaking of fiction, specifically sci-fi authors, I always wanted to ask > > you people, what do you read, or have read in the past. what's good > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Never could get into Gibson (but then I've only read 1.6 Gibson books, perhaps I should give him another shot someday) ...or "cyberpunk" in general. Always seemed too faddish, more style than substance - I mean, it always seemed too disconnected from possible reality, more tech-fantasy than sci-fi. But then sci-fi and fantasy are pretty much one and the same, really. Speaking of which, The closest I've come to enjoying cyberpunk was China Mieville's _Perdido Street Station_, which I know isn't really cyberpunk - if anything it's "steampunk", but I wanted to mention it because it's a beautiful book. Does anyone know if his "sequel" books "The Scar" and "Iron Council" are similar at all, or "as good"? I suppose "cyberpunk" is the IDM fiction style - comes to mind when thinking of early Warp (B12, early Autechre...) But don't real hackers only rave? :P -adam piontek n3wjack wrote:

quoted 18 lines or William Gibson,

> or William Gibson, > TEH cyberpunk writer imo > > Philip K. Dick rulz btw, started reading some of his books after > seeing Blade Runner which was based on his "Do Androids Dream of > Electric Sheep" book > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:02 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: > >>Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I keep >>meaning to. Kim Stanley Robinson is also good, and he wrote his thesis >>on PKD. Don't read his Antarctica, though, it's not very good. >> >>Other than that I give high respect to Ken MacLeod and Alastair Reynolds >>- Scottish & Welsh/Dutch (respectively) authors of smart space opera... >>Something vaguely IDM about them. If you like Vernor Vinge... >> >>-adam piontek

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Hallo list! Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and Essen, looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) CDs. Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities nearby? We usually go to Enterprise. Thanks, Tinus. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines Hallo list!

>Hallo list! > >Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and Essen, >looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) CDs. > >

hehe. hey, come on admit it. the ebm-stuff is for you, isn´t it? :) stand up for your shit... I still like some of the EBM / new beat thang.. I still play THE WEATHERMEN "POISON" .. it can drive ppl crazy on dancefloors serious weapon...

quoted 14 lines Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities nearby?

>Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities nearby? >We usually go to Enterprise. > >Thanks, >Tinus. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

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Robert, :) I like my music just a bit 'lighter' nowadays. I'm still into EBM though, always been a huge fan of Front242. Had a girlfriend in Brussels during the New Beat period. Cool stuff. The Weatherman with Poison, superb track. Have it on this wonderful 'This Is Electronic Body Music' album. Not from around Essen? np: In The Carcrash - Swayzak (Swayzak sometimes reminds me of Nitzer Ebb btw) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] Sent: woensdag 20 oktober 2004 17:29 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany DJ Tinus wrote:

quoted 6 lines Hallo list!

>Hallo list! > >Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and >Essen, looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) CDs. > >

hehe. hey, come on admit it. the ebm-stuff is for you, isn´t it? :) stand up for your shit... I still like some of the EBM / new beat thang.. I still play THE WEATHERMEN "POISON" .. it can drive ppl crazy on dancefloors serious weapon...

quoted 14 lines Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities nearby?

>Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities nearby? >We usually go to Enterprise. > >Thanks, >Tinus. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

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Thanks for the recommendations (always wanted to make a site with content like that). Think we'll go to Cologne instead for a change... p.s. Don't tell me her name is Anne ;) np: Rechenzentrum - Absent minded -----Original Message----- From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] Sent: donderdag 21 oktober 2004 0:47 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany DJ Tinus wrote:

quoted 5 lines Robert,

>Robert, > >:) I like my music just a bit 'lighter' nowadays. > >

i still like the really heavy stuff when it is really clever. say foetus, meshuggha, skinny puppy, otto von schirach, britney spears. no. britney, no. itz too fucking scary. i mean her face expression.

quoted 3 lines I'm still into EBM though, always been a huge fan of Front242.

>I'm still into EBM though, always been a huge fan of Front242. > >

i was the skinny puppy fan guy you hated cause he was constantly repeating that front 242 where lamers with only one good song, which is "headhunter" ... haha. sorry, please... lol*.. couldn´t resist... ;-).. ah, those good ole day´s religions...

quoted 3 lines Had a girlfriend in Brussels during the New Beat period. Cool stuff.

>Had a girlfriend in Brussels during the New Beat period. Cool stuff. > >

funny. i still /have /a belgian girlfriend from brussels. :) and she /was /into newbeat too once. weird. hey, are we talking about the same person? :-D

quoted 4 lines The Weatherman with Poison, superb track. Have it on this wonderful

>The Weatherman with Poison, superb track. Have it on this wonderful >'This Is Electronic Body Music' album. > >

yeah... SPV tried to set up a huge hype with EBM in germany.. they sold it for 5,90 DM in the shops, would be like 2,50 € today.. features some nice chris and cosey stuff too..

quoted 3 lines Not from around Essen?

>Not from around Essen? > >

cologne. we have nice record shops here too.. plenty of them: http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/fs-muwi/platten/Absicht.htm click on "recherche" and you have a list. unfortunately in german but you´ll get an impression my recommendations: "a-musik", for all weird stuff and experimental, also a lot of electronic music.. excellent shop. "normal" for alternative and rare vinyl & CDs, THE indie shop in a classical way, nice atmopshear "paralell" strictly vinyl, strictly EVERYTHING in vinyl used or new. soundtracks, electronics, a lot of folk, jazz, chanson, gothic, breakbeat you name it.. "saturn" (get out at U-bahnstation: "hansaring" you won´t miss it) .. the wicked empire. its not PC to buy there but nobody can resist the choice in CDs. biggest jazz floor I have seen, was formerly known 2 be the biggest record shop in the world but I guess they have been beaten. buy the easy stuff there. also very cool for movies (DVD). "groove attack" for classical drum´n´bass and the usal b-boy stuff.

quoted 5 lines np: In The Carcrash - Swayzak (Swayzak sometimes reminds me of Nitzer

>np: In The Carcrash - Swayzak (Swayzak sometimes reminds me of Nitzer >Ebb >btw) > >

and whatever happened to "à;grummh" .. eh. did i write it right? i dont remember.. ?

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>-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] >Sent: woensdag 20 oktober 2004 17:29 >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany > >DJ Tinus wrote: > > > >>Hallo list! >> >>Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and >>Essen, looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) CDs. >> >> >> >> >hehe. hey, come on admit it. the ebm-stuff is for you, isn´t it? :) > >stand up for your shit... I still like some of the EBM / new beat thang.. > >I still play THE WEATHERMEN "POISON" .. it can drive ppl crazy on >dancefloors > >serious weapon... > > > > > > >>Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities

nearby?

quoted 19 lines We usually go to Enterprise.

>>We usually go to Enterprise. >> >>Thanks, >>Tinus. >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >>commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

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quoted 4 lines Thanks for the recommendations (always wanted to make a site with content

>Thanks for the recommendations (always wanted to make a site with content >like that). > >

that´ll be wicked i forgot: "formic" is closed unfortunately but still featured on the list.. but it was kind of very idealistic shop anyways.. they had focused on rare US electro, breakdance, electric boogie-stuff... you could find every record of U.S. electro history there.. . also rare detroit / chicago techno stuff.. morgan geist, dan curtin etc.. its a pity that is gone now. apropos electro-boogie: not much ppl in the states now that THE JONZUN CREW had a huge charts entry in germany, actually it got no.1 in germany back in the 80ies.. with "PACK JAM".... can u believe it? :) .. it was all because it was the title music of the one and only music-clip TV magazine back then

quoted 5 lines Think we'll go to Cologne instead for a change...

>Think we'll go to Cologne instead for a change... > >p.s. Don't tell me her name is Anne ;) > >

phew. her name is olivia... :) ..

quoted 172 lines np: Rechenzentrum - Absent minded

>np: Rechenzentrum - Absent minded > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] >Sent: donderdag 21 oktober 2004 0:47 >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany > >DJ Tinus wrote: > > > >>Robert, >> >>:) I like my music just a bit 'lighter' nowadays. >> >> >> >> >i still like the really heavy stuff when it is really clever. say foetus, >meshuggha, skinny puppy, otto von schirach, britney spears. no. britney, no. >itz too fucking scary. i mean her face expression. > > > >>I'm still into EBM though, always been a huge fan of Front242. >> >> >> >> >i was the skinny puppy fan guy you hated cause he was constantly repeating >that front 242 where lamers with only one good song, which is "headhunter" >... haha. sorry, please... lol*.. couldn´t resist... ;-).. ah, those good >ole day´s religions... > > > >>Had a girlfriend in Brussels during the New Beat period. Cool stuff. >> >> >> >> >funny. i still /have /a belgian girlfriend from brussels. :) and she /was >/into newbeat too once. weird. > >hey, are we talking about the same person? :-D > > > >>The Weatherman with Poison, superb track. Have it on this wonderful >>'This Is Electronic Body Music' album. >> >> >> >> >yeah... SPV tried to set up a huge hype with EBM in germany.. they sold it >for 5,90 DM in the shops, would be like 2,50 EUR today.. features some nice >chris and cosey stuff too.. > > > >>Not from around Essen? >> >> >> >> >cologne. we have nice record shops here too.. > >plenty of them: >http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/fs-muwi/platten/Absicht.htm > >click on "recherche" and you have a list. unfortunately in german but you´ll >get an impression > >my recommendations: >"a-musik", for all weird stuff and experimental, also a lot of electronic >music.. excellent shop. >"normal" for alternative and rare vinyl & CDs, THE indie shop in a classical >way, nice atmopshear "paralell" strictly vinyl, strictly EVERYTHING in vinyl >used or new. >soundtracks, electronics, a lot of folk, jazz, chanson, gothic, breakbeat >you name it.. >"saturn" (get out at U-bahnstation: "hansaring" you won´t miss it) .. >the wicked empire. its not PC to buy there but nobody can resist the choice >in CDs. biggest jazz floor I have seen, was formerly known 2 be the biggest >record shop in the world but I guess they have been beaten. >buy the easy stuff there. also very cool for movies (DVD). >"groove attack" for classical drum´n´bass and the usal b-boy stuff. > > > >>np: In The Carcrash - Swayzak (Swayzak sometimes reminds me of Nitzer >>Ebb >>btw) >> >> >> >> >and whatever happened to "à;grummh" .. eh. did i write it right? i dont >remember.. ? > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] >>Sent: woensdag 20 oktober 2004 17:29 >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany >> >>DJ Tinus wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Hallo list! >>> >>>Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and >>>Essen, looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) CDs. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>hehe. hey, come on admit it. the ebm-stuff is for you, isn´t it? :) >> >>stand up for your shit... I still like some of the EBM / new beat thang.. >> >>I still play THE WEATHERMEN "POISON" .. it can drive ppl crazy on >>dancefloors >> >>serious weapon... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities >>> >>> >nearby? > > >>>We usually go to Enterprise. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Tinus. >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >>>commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >

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quoted 4 lines Thanks for the recommendations (always wanted to make a site with content

>>Thanks for the recommendations (always wanted to make a site with content >>like that). >> > that´ll be wicked

I have the strange habit of taking digital pictures of all the record stores I visit wherever I am (recently Smallfish, Phonica, Reckless, before I saw Michael Mayer and Ellen Alien in London's Fabric). So maybe one day...

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> i forgot: > "formic" is closed unfortunately but still featured on the list.. but it > was kind of very idealistic shop anyways.. they had focused on rare US > electro, breakdance, electric boogie-stuff... you could find every > record of U.S. electro history there.. . also rare detroit / chicago > techno stuff.. morgan geist, dan curtin etc.. its a pity that is gone now.

I dig the +8 stuff a lot. Classic detroit techno rules.

quoted 15 lines apropos electro-boogie: not much ppl in the states now that THE JONZUN

> apropos electro-boogie: not much ppl in the states now that THE JONZUN > CREW had a huge charts entry in germany, actually it got no.1 in germany > back in the 80ies.. with "PACK JAM".... can u believe it? :) .. it was > all because it was the title music of the one and only music-clip TV > magazine back then > >>Think we'll go to Cologne instead for a change... >> >>p.s. Don't tell me her name is Anne ;) >> >> > phew. her name is olivia... :) .. > >>np: Rechenzentrum - Absent minded >>

np: Anthony Rother - Past Present The Future (Depth Charge presents Electro Boogie !K7075)

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>>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] >>Sent: donderdag 21 oktober 2004 0:47 >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany >> >>DJ Tinus wrote: >> >> >> >>>Robert, >>> >>>:) I like my music just a bit 'lighter' nowadays. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>i still like the really heavy stuff when it is really clever. say foetus, >>meshuggha, skinny puppy, otto von schirach, britney spears. no. britney, >> no. >>itz too fucking scary. i mean her face expression. >> >> >> >>>I'm still into EBM though, always been a huge fan of Front242. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>i was the skinny puppy fan guy you hated cause he was constantly >> repeating >>that front 242 where lamers with only one good song, which is >> "headhunter" >>... haha. sorry, please... lol*.. couldn´t resist... ;-).. ah, those good >>ole day´s religions... >> >> >> >>>Had a girlfriend in Brussels during the New Beat period. Cool stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>funny. i still /have /a belgian girlfriend from brussels. :) and she /was >>/into newbeat too once. weird. >> >>hey, are we talking about the same person? :-D >> >> >> >>>The Weatherman with Poison, superb track. Have it on this wonderful >>>'This Is Electronic Body Music' album. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>yeah... SPV tried to set up a huge hype with EBM in germany.. they sold >> it >>for 5,90 DM in the shops, would be like 2,50 EUR today.. features some >> nice >>chris and cosey stuff too.. >> >> >> >>>Not from around Essen? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>cologne. we have nice record shops here too.. >> >>plenty of them: >>http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/fs-muwi/platten/Absicht.htm >> >>click on "recherche" and you have a list. unfortunately in german but >> you´ll >>get an impression >> >>my recommendations: >>"a-musik", for all weird stuff and experime > ntal, also a lot of electronic >>music.. excellent shop. >>"normal" for alternative and rare vinyl & CDs, THE indie shop in a >> classical >>way, nice atmopshear "paralell" strictly vinyl, strictly EVERYTHING in >> vinyl >>used or new. >>soundtracks, electronics, a lot of folk, jazz, chanson, gothic, breakbeat >>you name it.. >>"saturn" (get out at U-bahnstation: "hansaring" you won´t miss it) .. >>the wicked empire. its not PC to buy there but nobody can resist the >> choice >>in CDs. biggest jazz floor I have seen, was formerly known 2 be the >> biggest >>record shop in the world but I guess they have been beaten. >>buy the easy stuff there. also very cool for movies (DVD). >>"groove attack" for classical drum´n´bass and the usal b-boy stuff. >> >> >> >>>np: In The Carcrash - Swayzak (Swayzak sometimes reminds me of Nitzer >>>Ebb >>>btw) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>and whatever happened to "à;grummh" .. eh. did i write it right? i dont >>remember.. ? >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Robert Feuchtl [mailto:bobhumid@groove.de] >>>Sent: woensdag 20 oktober 2004 17:29 >>>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [idm] Good shops near Dutch boarder of Germany >>> >>>DJ Tinus wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hallo list! >>>> >>>>Me and a friend are planning to go visit some shops in Krefeld and >>>>Essen, looking for IDM/electronica (4me) EBM/Industrial (4myfriend) >>>> CDs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>hehe. hey, come on admit it. the ebm-stuff is for you, isn´t it? :) >>> >>>stand up for your shit... I still like some of the EBM / new beat >>> thang.. >>> >>>I still play THE WEATHERMEN "POISON" .. it can drive ppl crazy on >>>dancefloors >>> >>>serious weapon... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Do any of you know a good shop in those surroundings / other cities >>>> >>>> >>nearby? >> >> >>>>We usually go to Enterprise. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Tinus. >>>>> > -- > B O B H U M I D @ G R O O V E M A G A Z I N E > ( t e c h n o l o g i c a l _ e d i t o r ) > > > > servicelinks: > http://www.groove.de

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hi, formic closed their shop in cologne city. now they are located at the following adress: Maria Zanders Anlage 2 51465 Bergisch Gladbach Germany cheers, d ----- i forgot: "formic" is closed unfortunately but still featured on the list.. but it was kind of very idealistic shop anyways.. they had focused on rare US electro, breakdance, electric boogie-stuff... you could find every record of U.S. electro history there.. . also rare detroit / chicago techno stuff.. morgan geist, dan curtin etc.. its a pity that is gone now. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hey, if you want to dig deep into the soul of scifi and its substance you´ll have to read late american 50ies / 60ies scifi and the things that came afterwards... that is the relevant period. while in the 60ies american television and cinema illustrated their subsconsious fear about russian invasions by issueing the never-ending "alien invasion" topic the real shit was only in the books.. the focus was on deep human psychology and scifi-writers where way ahead of their times.. look for books by these geniouses.. more psy-fi phillip k dick (u know him) john brunner (get a copy of "players and the play of people" and "quicksand" frank herbert ("the santaroga barrier") more classical scifi philipp josé farmer ("riverworld") jack vance (the mighty romancier of scifi, he created hyper-realistic scenarios of alien worlds and cultures, read the "alastor"-cyclus...) from the later writers I like Ian Banks... (but thats 80ies) but there is more excellent writers but I don´t dare to go down into my underground vaults cause I might nog get back before midnight ;) bob humid Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 49 lines Never could get into Gibson (but then I've only read 1.6 Gibson books,

> Never could get into Gibson (but then I've only read 1.6 Gibson books, > perhaps I should give him another shot someday) > > ...or "cyberpunk" in general. Always seemed too faddish, more style > than substance - I mean, it always seemed too disconnected from > possible reality, more tech-fantasy than sci-fi. But then sci-fi and > fantasy are pretty much one and the same, really. Speaking of which, > The closest I've come to enjoying cyberpunk was China Mieville's > _Perdido Street Station_, which I know isn't really cyberpunk - if > anything it's "steampunk", but I wanted to mention it because it's a > beautiful book. Does anyone know if his "sequel" books "The Scar" and > "Iron Council" are similar at all, or "as good"? > > I suppose "cyberpunk" is the IDM fiction style - comes to mind when > thinking of early Warp (B12, early Autechre...) > > But don't real hackers only rave? :P > -adam piontek > > n3wjack wrote: > >> or William Gibson, >> TEH cyberpunk writer imo >> >> Philip K. Dick rulz btw, started reading some of his books after >> seeing Blade Runner which was based on his "Do Androids Dream of >> Electric Sheep" book >> >> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:02 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote: >> >>> Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I keep >>> meaning to. Kim Stanley Robinson is also good, and he wrote his thesis >>> on PKD. Don't read his Antarctica, though, it's not very good. >>> >>> Other than that I give high respect to Ken MacLeod and Alastair >>> Reynolds >>> - Scottish & Welsh/Dutch (respectively) authors of smart space opera... >>> Something vaguely IDM about them. If you like Vernor Vinge... >>> >>> -adam piontek >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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Some classic British Sci-fi is John Wyndham; Day Of The Triffids, Chocky, The Chrysalids...plus many more. All very, very good. On 20 Oct 2004, at 16:25, Robert Feuchtl wrote: hey, if you want to dig deep into the soul of scifi and its substance you´ll have to read late american 50ies / 60ies scifi and the things that came afterwards... that is the relevant period. while in the 60ies american television and cinema illustrated their subsconsious fear about russian invasions by issueing the never-ending "alien invasion" topic the real shit was only in the books.. the focus was on deep human psychology and scifi-writers where way ahead of their times.. look for books by these geniouses.. more psy-fi phillip k dick (u know him) john brunner (get a copy of "players and the play of people" and "quicksand" frank herbert ("the santaroga barrier") more classical scifi philipp josé farmer ("riverworld") jack vance (the mighty romancier of scifi, he created hyper-realistic scenarios of alien worlds and cultures, read the "alastor"-cyclus...) from the later writers I like Ian Banks... (but thats 80ies) but there is more excellent writers but I don´t dare to go down into my underground vaults cause I might nog get back before midnight ;) bob humid Adam Piontek wrote:

quoted 53 lines Never could get into Gibson (but then I've only read 1.6 Gibson books,

> Never could get into Gibson (but then I've only read 1.6 Gibson books, > perhaps I should give him another shot someday) > > ...or "cyberpunk" in general. Always seemed too faddish, more style > than substance - I mean, it always seemed too disconnected from > possible reality, more tech-fantasy than sci-fi. But then sci-fi and > fantasy are pretty much one and the same, really. Speaking of which, > The closest I've come to enjoying cyberpunk was China Mieville's > _Perdido Street Station_, which I know isn't really cyberpunk - if > anything it's "steampunk", but I wanted to mention it because it's a > beautiful book. Does anyone know if his "sequel" books "The Scar" and > "Iron Council" are similar at all, or "as good"? > > I suppose "cyberpunk" is the IDM fiction style - comes to mind when > thinking of early Warp (B12, early Autechre...) > > But don't real hackers only rave? :P > -adam piontek > > n3wjack wrote: > >> or William Gibson, >> TEH cyberpunk writer imo >> >> Philip K. Dick rulz btw, started reading some of his books after >> seeing Blade Runner which was based on his "Do Androids Dream of >> Electric Sheep" book >> >> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:02 -0400, Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Well Lem is good, of course. Never read any Philip K Dick, but I >>> keep >>> meaning to. Kim Stanley Robinson is also good, and he wrote his >>> thesis >>> on PKD. Don't read his Antarctica, though, it's not very good. >>> >>> Other than that I give high respect to Ken MacLeod and Alastair >>> Reynolds >>> - Scottish & Welsh/Dutch (respectively) authors of smart space >>> opera... >>> Something vaguely IDM about them. If you like Vernor Vinge... >>> >>> -adam piontek >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >

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Adam piontek wrote:

quoted 3 lines ...or "cyberpunk" in general. Always seemed too faddish, more style

> ...or "cyberpunk" in general. Always seemed too faddish, more style > than substance - I mean, it always seemed too disconnected from possible > reality, more tech-fantasy than sci-fi.

You should try Neal Stephenson's Snowcrash, possibly very prescient stuff. Its successor, The Diamond Age focuses on nanotechnology, also pretty fascinating and perhaps better aligned to your predilection for steampunk. I found Cryptonomicon a bit disappointing. Bob Humid wrote:

quoted 3 lines if you want to dig deep into the soul of scifi and its substance you´ll

> if you want to dig deep into the soul of scifi and its substance you´ll > have to read late american 50ies / 60ies scifi and the things that came > afterwards...

I'd suggest going back to HG Wells, Mary Shelley, Gustav Meyrink and Jules Verne in terms of precedent. And Wiliam S. Burroughs and J.G. Ballard of course. Tim Walters wrote:

quoted 2 lines Bruce Sterling's SCHISMATRIX isn't on there, and probably should be. It's

> Bruce Sterling's SCHISMATRIX isn't on there, and probably should be. It's > certainly my favorite cyberpunk novel.

I've always found Sterling disappointing though I haven't read Schismatrix. My own recommendations: Jorge Luis Borges - anything, but particularly the collection called Labyrinths, not sci-fi, but what the heck, deals with the infinite Thomas Pynchon - has to be Gravity's Rainbow really. Samuel R. Delaney - dhalgren, don't know where to start, just read it. Jeff Noon - the earlier ones, particularly Vurt and Pollen. Donald Barthelme - again not really sci-fi, but freaky enough to include. Cheers, Colin. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org