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2004-09-09 20:04Josh Steinerless moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! -- ______________

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700
Subject:: [idm] dear bjork

less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! -- ________________________________________________________________ live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-09 21:50Jason Clarkdear josh, less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about someone else's

From:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:50:39 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: [idm] dear bjork

dear josh, less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote:

quoted 12 lines less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks!

> less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-09-09 22:09Josh Steinerdear jason, less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about someone else'

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:09:21 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

dear jason, less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about someone else's review of someone else's endeavors please. thanks! Jason Clark wrote:

quoted 30 lines dear josh,

>dear josh, > >less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about >someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! > > > > >On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: > > >>less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! >> >>-- >>________________________________________________________________ >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > > > >

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2004-09-09 22:13Charles FreemanSounds like Bjork has now joined the ranks of the greats. I know this because she's now ge

From:: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:13:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: [idm] Congratulations Bjork!
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

Sounds like Bjork has now joined the ranks of the greats. I know this because she's now getting the same sort of stupid shit talking as Aphex and Squarepusher. Congratulations Bjork! You are now a god! -groundchuck http://groundchuck.net

quoted 27 lines On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>

> On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> > wrote: > > less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. > thanks! > > > > -- > > ________________________________________________________________ > > live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jason Clark > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-09-10 02:45John/Slackonomicsless complaining, judgment, close-mindedness and other wanking please. thanks! -- Mr. Tang

From:: John/Slackonomics <slack@slackonomics.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:45:20 -0500
Subject:: [idm] dear josh
Reply to:: [idm] dear bjork

less complaining, judgment, close-mindedness and other wanking please. thanks! -- Mr. Tangent [the binary police] www.mrtangent.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-10 03:51Josh Steinerhaha... little late to the flamefest, john. and just because i hate somehting doesnt mean

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:51:03 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear josh
Reply to:: [idm] dear josh

haha... little late to the flamefest, john. and just because i hate somehting doesnt mean it comes from close mindedness :) John/Slackonomics wrote:

quoted 12 lines less complaining, judgment, close-mindedness and other wanking

> less complaining, judgment, close-mindedness and other wanking > please. thanks! > > -- > > Mr. Tangent [the binary police] > www.mrtangent.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-09 22:12hime@charter.netDear Josh, More meta. Also, more punctuation and capitalization. Thanks! > dear jason, > >

From:: <hime@charter.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:12:15 -0500
Subject:: Re: Re: [idm] dear bjork

Dear Josh, More meta. Also, more punctuation and capitalization. Thanks!

quoted 52 lines dear jason,

> dear jason, > > less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about > someone else's review of someone else's endeavors please. thanks! > > > > Jason Clark wrote: > > >dear josh, > > > >less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about > >someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: > > > > > >>less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! > >> > >>-- > >>________________________________________________________________ > >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-09-09 22:19Josh Steinermmm... meta flamewar. an idm-l favorite. (its a shame about this album though, so much of

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: <hime@charter.net>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: Re: [idm] dear bjork

mmm... meta flamewar. an idm-l favorite. (its a shame about this album though, so much of it is really interesting, but she just pisses all over it with excruciating moaning and heavy breathing.) hime@charter.net wrote:

quoted 73 lines Dear Josh,

>Dear Josh, > >More meta. Also, more punctuation and capitalization. > >Thanks! > > > >>dear jason, >> >>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about >>someone else's review of someone else's endeavors please. thanks! >> >> >> >>Jason Clark wrote: >> >> >> >>>dear josh, >>> >>>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about >>>someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! >>>> >>>>-- >>>>________________________________________________________________ >>>>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>>>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>________________________________________________________________ >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

2004-09-09 22:59Jason Clarki love the "breathy"-ness of it. she's taking a risk with what she's doing. if she put big

From:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:59:06 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

i love the "breathy"-ness of it. she's taking a risk with what she's doing. if she put big techno beats under those (well written) songs, she'd probably sell thousands more copies, but she didn't. it's commendable, and even if some of the songs fall short because of their experimentation, well at least she tried. On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote:

quoted 94 lines mmm... meta flamewar. an idm-l favorite.

> mmm... meta flamewar. an idm-l favorite. > > (its a shame about this album though, so much of it is really > interesting, but she just pisses all over it with excruciating moaning > and heavy breathing.) > > > > hime@charter.net wrote: > > >Dear Josh, > > > >More meta. Also, more punctuation and capitalization. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >>dear jason, > >> > >>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about > >>someone else's review of someone else's endeavors please. thanks! > >> > >> > >> > >>Jason Clark wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>dear josh, > >>> > >>>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about > >>>someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>________________________________________________________________ > >>>>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > >>>>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>________________________________________________________________ > >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > -- > ________________________________________________________________ > live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com > independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

2004-09-09 23:15Josh Steinertrue, its noble to try, but i think she relied a little too much on it this album. i would

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 16:15:10 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

true, its noble to try, but i think she relied a little too much on it this album. i wouldnt have cared enough to spam you all had it not been for the fact that it felt like 50% of the songs on this record degenerated into a mess of moaning. i really do like the way they constructed their beats our of "beabox" slices. an old idea done freshly. Jason Clark wrote:

quoted 122 lines i love the "breathy"-ness of it. she's taking a risk with what she's

>i love the "breathy"-ness of it. she's taking a risk with what she's >doing. if she put big techno beats under those (well written) songs, >she'd probably sell thousands more copies, but she didn't. it's >commendable, and even if some of the songs fall short because of their >experimentation, well at least she tried. > > >On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 15:19:31 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: > > >>mmm... meta flamewar. an idm-l favorite. >> >>(its a shame about this album though, so much of it is really >>interesting, but she just pisses all over it with excruciating moaning >>and heavy breathing.) >> >> >> >>hime@charter.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dear Josh, >>> >>>More meta. Also, more punctuation and capitalization. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>dear jason, >>>> >>>>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about >>>>someone else's review of someone else's endeavors please. thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Jason Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>dear josh, >>>>> >>>>>less moaning, whining, and other boring un-useful comments about >>>>>someone else's creative endeavors please. thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:04:22 -0700, Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>less moaning, whining, heavy breathing and other wanking please. thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>>>>>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >>>>>> >>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>________________________________________________________________ >>>>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>>>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>________________________________________________________________ >>live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com >>independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > > > >

2004-09-10 03:22Luis-Manuel GarciaOn Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 06:15 PM, Josh Steiner wrote: > true, its noble to try,

From:: Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:22:44 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

On Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 06:15 PM, Josh Steiner wrote:

quoted 4 lines true, its noble to try, but i think she relied a little too much on it

> true, its noble to try, but i think she relied a little too much on it > this album. i wouldnt have cared enough to spam you all had it not > been for the fact that it felt like 50% of the songs on this record > degenerated into a mess of moaning.

Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the neat conceptual things that her album brings forward, I also just like the sound of the human voice being used in unusual/unmusical ways. I think it's the same reason why I dig the way the Soft Pink Truth (aka Drew Daniel) works with voice samples. here I'm thinking of "Coat Check" or "Soft Pink Missy" or "Everybody's Soft". Akufen, too, now that I think about it. Luis (a small point of detail: isn't most of the moaning coming from Tagaq, not Bjork? I suppose it's not always that easy to tell them apart when the texture is that dense) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Politics is parlour tricks." -W. Jean --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-10 03:29andrew jones> > Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the > neat conceptua

From:: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 23:29:40 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork (voices, techno)
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

quoted 10 lines Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the

> > Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the > neat conceptual things that her album brings forward, I also just like > the sound of the human voice being used in unusual/unmusical ways. I > think it's the same reason why I dig the way the Soft Pink Truth (aka > Drew Daniel) works with voice samples. here I'm thinking of "Coat > Check" or "Soft Pink Missy" or "Everybody's Soft". Akufen, too, now > that I think about it. > > Luis

On that note, Ark's treatment of vocals has always struck me as unique... well most everything about Ark is unique when I think about it. He gets a peculiar sense of idiocy from them with out slowing down the sample to much. Peace, A --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-10 03:47Josh Steiner> Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the > neat conceptual

From:: Josh Steiner <josh@vitriolix.com>
To:: Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:47:11 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

quoted 7 lines Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the

> Well, unless you like the sound of the moaning. Aside from all of the > neat conceptual things that her album brings forward, I also just like > the sound of the human voice being used in unusual/unmusical ways. I > think it's the same reason why I dig the way the Soft Pink Truth (aka > Drew Daniel) works with voice samples. here I'm thinking of "Coat > Check" or "Soft Pink Missy" or "Everybody's Soft". Akufen, too, now > that I think about it.

now soft pink truth + akufen own my record player, gorgeous stuff. im so looking forward to the new SPT

quoted 5 lines Luis

> Luis > > (a small point of detail: isn't most of the moaning coming from > Tagaq, not Bjork? I suppose it's not always that easy to tell them > apart when the texture is that dense)

hrm... i suppose htere could be some others, but there are lots of passages where they are like 4-8 overdubs of bjork harmonizing alone that just dont do it for me. -- ________________________________________________________________ live experimental electronic music -- http://bluevitriol.com independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-09-10 04:34Luis-Manuel GarciaOn Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Josh Steiner wrote: > now soft pink truth + a

From:: Luis-Manuel Garcia <lgarcia@uchicago.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 23:34:45 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

On Thursday, September 9, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Josh Steiner wrote:

quoted 2 lines now soft pink truth + akufen own my record player, gorgeous stuff. im

> now soft pink truth + akufen own my record player, gorgeous stuff. im > so looking forward to the new SPT

Add Matthew Dear to that, and that's been my ipod list for the past few days. It somehow made the whole moving-to-new-country thing go more smoothly.

quoted 4 lines hrm... i suppose htere could be some others, but there are lots of

> hrm... i suppose htere could be some others, but there are lots of > passages where they are like 4-8 overdubs of bjork harmonizing alone > that just dont do it for me. >

Ah. You see, I *love* that bit. I'm more crazy about "triumph of a heart" and "who is it" as whole tracks, but I also love that part. Something strangely narcissistic about several overdubs of the same voice. Or maybe it's masturbatory. Either way, I likes it. Luis

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2004-09-10 09:31Fisk IndustriesSurely people buy Bjork's music because its Bjork - not because it may or may not have big

From:: Fisk Industries <mat@fisk-industries.co.uk>
To:: Jason Clark <strangeloop@gmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 10:31:44 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] dear bjork
Reply to:: Re: [idm] dear bjork

Surely people buy Bjork's music because its Bjork - not because it may or may not have big techno beats under it. If that's what they wanted, they'd just go and buy some techno. On 9 Sep 2004, at 23:59, Jason Clark wrote: i love the "breathy"-ness of it. she's taking a risk with what she's doing. if she put big techno beats under those (well written) songs, she'd probably sell thousands more copies, but she didn't. it's commendable, and even if some of the songs fall short because of their experimentation, well at least she tried. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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