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2004-03-25 21:47RE: [idm] science in genres...hmmm
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2004-03-25 21:47Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.comIt seems there are multiple ways to trace the lineage of IDM. Most people trace it's roots
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It seems there are multiple ways to trace the lineage of IDM. Most people trace it's roots to funk but a primary element of nearly all funk rhythms is the triplet in a 4/4 groove which can often imply a 3 on 2 - this feature is nearly non-existent in IDM. "4 on the floor" has more of a relation to West African & reggae grooves than R&B. The reliance on repetitive rhythms using sequencers in the electronic world seems to be linked with the batterias of Brazil. This is just touching on some of the rhythmic strains that led to what is modern electronic music. I'm sure someone could follow the influence of technology, ignoring both chordal & rhythmic developments and make a good argument that it's the machine that has revolutionized music, not the player. All are influences, but I don't think we have an understanding of music if we choose to close off possible paths, including those that might use traditional instrumentation (bass, drums, guitar.) The flaw seems to be looking to the past influences in music for a conclusion as to what music is today, rather than opening up the possibilities of what it could become. Every generation believes it is at the apex of musical development. I suppose it's possible that we could be the first generation that is right, but I don't think it likely. -----Original Message----- From: l.garcia@utoronto.ca [mailto:l.garcia@utoronto.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:15 PM To: unlisted-recipients Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] science in genres...hmmm Not to play Captain Poopypants here, but a lot of this lineage-tracing seems to be a exercise in constructing linear narratives from a scattered, contradictory and often unrelated scattering of events. Ultimately, we need some narratives to help organize our understandings of origins and development, but IDM's histories seem to resist that...and I think that's a good thing, overall. If anything unifies EDM, IDM and Electroaccoustic/Tape music's origins, it's the prevelance of hermetic creativities. So many artists in electronic music (especially before the last 1/4 of the XX-century) worked in a state of conceptual isolation, taking their inspiration from a broad array of sources rather than a father-teacher/student-son scenario. So, while I recognize the importance of creating creation stories for IDM and EDM (this is especially true in a classroom setting), we should leave some room for Other stories, Other voices. cheers, Luis --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-03-26 01:13svinwhat about breakbeat so popular in idm rythms? is it 4by 4? funk breaks a little thats tru
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what about breakbeat so popular in idm rythms? is it 4by 4? funk breaks a little thats true but it seems that blues and funk gave it to ska and reggea then backwards jamaican music is my favorite ..flavour in all of music but i have to admit they were borowing a lot from funk, but ryddims the created were original and had breaks in em repetitive rhythms using sequencers i think got into electronica through the creation of those machines that kraftwerk and other pioneers started to use like that i was arguing the idea that a certain sound and perception(dancing to monotonic repetetive rythms) that characterize edm specifically came from funk also edm 100% sure absorbed the rest of influences and methods, no doubt but without funk, that lead to disko that lead to chicago and detroit techno.. i doubt that we'd have same genres today. And i am talking here about dancing music not songs, not experimental sounds and other terific things. appeal of it that makes me to dance to it is what i like in it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-03-26 01:19svinit seems that it is getting more towards reuse of music of tomorow not just in sampling bu
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it seems that it is getting more towards reuse of music of tomorow not just in sampling but for listening we, the listeners,have never been in a situation when so much, almost all music produced in the past is available for free to listen to it in recorded formats it may become so that one day the need for new music may shrink because of the technologies and methods to search and find what your soul deserves in the older music so on one hand technology gives anyone with imagination simple tools to create masterpieces but on the other the total body of recorded works is getting infinite well thats a dilema so far as a listener i am enjoying the situation __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org