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2004-01-14 14:31Aaron D Meyersand songs are $1.35. oof. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Veneman <hans@technotour

From:: Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu>
To:: Hans Veneman <hans@technotourist.org>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:31:09 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep

and songs are $1.35. oof. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Veneman <hans@technotourist.org> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:54 am Subject: [idm] Bleep

quoted 15 lines Well, well, well... it seems Bleep.com has gone live today...

> Well, well, well... it seems Bleep.com has gone live today... > > Hans > > -- > Hans Veneman > http://technotourist.org > http://vlokfeest.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-01-14 14:49chthonic streams>and songs are $1.35. oof. for a thin-sounding, crappy mp3? fuk that. just let me know whe

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:49:01 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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quoted 1 line and songs are $1.35. oof.

>and songs are $1.35. oof.

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2004-01-14 14:48Glenn McClementsThey do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supporting Ogg, AAC and lossless f

From:: Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com>
To:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:48:49 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supporting Ogg, AAC and lossless formats as well, but by the sounds of it you will have to pay for it again even if you have downloaded the MP3 previously. I had assumed that once you pay for a song they would keep a record of it and let you download it as many times you want in whatever format you want, but you have to pay for each download you do. Can anyone tell me if this how iTunes works as well? Glenn

quoted 13 lines and songs are $1.35. oof.

>> and songs are $1.35. oof. > > > for a thin-sounding, crappy mp3? fuk that. just let me know when new > CDs are released. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2004-01-14 14:59Eggy ToastGlenn McClements said: > They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supportin

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
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Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:59:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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Glenn McClements said:

quoted 3 lines They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supporting Ogg,

> They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supporting Ogg, > AAC and lossless formats as well, but by the sounds of it you will have > to pay for it again even if you have downloaded the MP3 previously.

it's also encoded at 256+ VBR with quality set to high. That's hardly "thin sounding, crappy."

quoted 5 lines I had assumed that once you pay for a song they would keep a record of

> > I had assumed that once you pay for a song they would keep a record of > it and let you download it as many times you want in whatever format you > want, but you have to pay for each download you do. Can anyone tell me > if this how iTunes works as well?

You pay for each download because they don't want to incur bandwidth costs for multiple people downloading from the same account. It's just web-based, and you don't need to install and use some proprietary program, so if I were to buy 5 albums and could download them over and over again, I could just pass my username and password around until everyone downloaded it. Makes sense why they would say "hey, you can make as many copies as you want, so back up the stuff you download!" Not sure if iTunes has the same protection or not. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 16:17chthonic streams>Glenn McClements said: >> They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about support

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:17:52 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
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quoted 7 lines Glenn McClements said:

>Glenn McClements said: >> They do mention in the FAQ that they are thinking about supporting Ogg, >> AAC and lossless formats as well, but by the sounds of it you will have >> to pay for it again even if you have downloaded the MP3 previously. > >it's also encoded at 256+ VBR with quality set to high. That's hardly >"thin sounding, crappy."

sorry. this is IMO. i've heard songs on an ipod, encoded that high, with the same headphones as on my discman, and there is a difference. even the best mp3's are lacking a fullness, they sound canned. to me, mp3's are the digital equivalent of cassettes. i don't consider them a final stage worth paying money for. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 16:20Alan R. LucasWell don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound quality. SNR is on

From:: Alan R. Lucas <arlucas@telerama.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:20:52 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
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Well don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound quality. SNR is only 90db. Screw Apple. Get a Creative player. The SNR is 98db. Oh yeah, and they cost half as much. Try both the mp3 and the CD on the same PC with the same headphones, then you'll at least know that you're hearing both through the same hardware. I'm not saying that there won't still be a difference. I'm just saying that your current method of comparison is flawed. Later, Alan Quoting chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>:

quoted 9 lines sorry. this is IMO. i've heard songs on an ipod, encoded that high,

> sorry. this is IMO. i've heard songs on an ipod, encoded that high, > with the same headphones as on my discman, and there is a difference. > even the best mp3's are lacking a fullness, they sound canned. to > me, mp3's are the digital equivalent of cassettes. i don't consider > them a final stage worth paying money for. > > > d. >

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2004-01-14 16:45chthonic streams>Well don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound >quality. SNR is

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:45:57 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
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quoted 7 lines Well don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound

>Well don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound >quality. SNR is only 90db. Screw Apple. Get a Creative player. The SNR is >98db. Oh yeah, and they cost half as much. >Try both the mp3 and the CD on the same PC with the same headphones, then >you'll at least know that you're hearing both through the same hardware. I'm >not saying that there won't still be a difference. I'm just saying that your >current method of comparison is flawed.

not my ipod, a coworker's. i have no intention of buying such a player. i like CDs. i like the physicality of them. i like artwork. and although i listen to CDs on my G4 at work, there's a difference between itunes and a home stereo or discman. mp3's are a nice way to get music out there and get heard, but ultimately i want to both buy and release music on a more substantial format, both sonically and physically. i'd prefer the future to be DVD audio or (hopefully backwards-compatible) higher-bitrate CDs than reducing songs in quality and importance to names on a file list. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 17:04atomly[chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>] > not my ipod, a coworker's. i have no i

From:: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:04:00 -0600
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
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[chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>]

quoted 4 lines not my ipod, a coworker's. i have no intention of buying such a

> not my ipod, a coworker's. i have no intention of buying such a > player. i like CDs. i like the physicality of them. i like > artwork. and although i listen to CDs on my G4 at work, there's a > difference between itunes and a home stereo or discman.

It's funny, then, that this has now come full circle. This used to be the argument for vinyl versus CD-- more physical and visceral, bigger artwork, more personal, warmer sound, etc... -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 18:18chthonic streamsatomly <atomly@atomly.com> mused: >[chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>] >> no

From:: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:18:38 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
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atomly <atomly@atomly.com> mused:

quoted 9 lines [chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>]

>[chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>] >> not my ipod, a coworker's. i have no intention of buying such a >> player. i like CDs. i like the physicality of them. i like >> artwork. and although i listen to CDs on my G4 at work, there's a >> difference between itunes and a home stereo or discman. > >It's funny, then, that this has now come full circle. This used to be >the argument for vinyl versus CD-- more physical and visceral, bigger >artwork, more personal, warmer sound, etc...

i was thinking that myself as i replied. the main problems with vinyl are its bulkiness and the whole physical needle-wearing-down-grooves issue. true, it has created a whole host of exciting sounds used in music based on crackly records or hip-hop scratching. but as i know from talking to mastering engineers, it's hard to get as much dynamic and frequency range on vinyl. so i only buy vinyl if there's no other form of the release, and/or if it has some special quality (picture disc, lush packaging). i also have a turntable with a SPDIF out, so i can transfer my vinyl to computer, clean it up, and burn a CD. but that is only if i have no other choice. i would prefer to have the music in the format the artist intended for release, with all information (even if it's a blank-looking cover, that says something too). CDs are a sensible middle ground between earlier formats and mp3s on issues of portability and artwork/info, and still (IMO) superior in sound. also, remember that when the initial complaints about CDs were made, the recording and mastering technology was nowhere near what it is today. nor was the experience of recording and mastering engineers. many CDs were simply transfers from 2-inch tape, and ended up sounding harsh and noisy by comparison to the vinyl versions they were originally destined for. one could argue the same about mp3 encoders and players i suppose. the difference, and the difficulty, is that encoding rates and methods are at the mercy of the end user, or maybe the seller in the case of online pay-for-download sites. this can only be overcome if 1) an acceptable, AIFF-quality worldwide standard is established and adhered to, and 2) artists and engineers start mixing and mastering "for mp3". i would rather hear more work on higher-quality formats (and work towards making them affordable), or improvements on the ones we already have. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-15 01:18James R BamfordThey are using the recommended version of lame (3.90.3 i think).. NOT the latest one which

From:: James R Bamford <jim@jimtreats.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:18:30 -0000
Subject:: RE: [idm] Bleep - mp3s
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s

They are using the recommended version of lame (3.90.3 i think).. NOT the latest one which isn't the best for qualitys sake.. lame --alt-preset standard is indeed VERY VERY high quality sounding.. its supposedly near transparent.. I personally use the same version of lame and --alt-preset extreme for my CD rips for my Creative player... its a bit higher bitrate but to be honest the difference is probably placebo.. Which brings me to the original criticism of mp3s below.. if you do surely hear problems with mp3s of this type.. dont even go there with itunes high quality as they use fhg and really there is better to be had at higher bitrates with lame.. but basically you need to conduct a proper listening test.. one that is double blind.. your mind will persuade you that its different if you have any idea of what it is... blinded its only down to the audio and its at this point that most people fail.. www.hydrogenaudio.org is the standard bearing site for all things to do with audio encoding.. go and read up on there and try out some software to ABX.. (actually foobar will do this automatically for you by just sellecting two tracks in a playlist and right clicking ABX tracks) ... as soon as you can pick between an APS and CD with 99% certainty as returned by the software on your guesses then you must i) check to see if the song you are listening to is a known difficult song.. if it isn't report it to the codec developers so they can improve the codec to cope better, or even fix the problem ii) get actively involved in testing various codecs as its clear you have very good ears As for peoples hopes for other formats.. aside from a placebo inspired jump to alt-preset extreme or insane there really isn't any higher place to go.. with lossy formats you can't transcode to other formats gracefully (in that respect it really is like a tape recording) and mp3s will play on EVERY player around.. not true of any other format... but even OGG and AAC just simply aren't tested as much as lame and as such you aren't getting the same guarantees that its not going to fall over on some tracks.. Its really great that they are using such high quality encodes... if they went for FLAC that would be even better but would require a 10x increase on bandwidth infrastructure... That you pay for the one off download is harsh but its hard to see them not getting swamped by repeated downloads.. i think a compromise where you have to fill in a form to get an unlock code for an album/track you have lost.. these can then be controlled to only allow you to get the same song every few months... special allowances could be made after direct contact with the customer describing their "crash"... this would stop people trading accounts and spreading files even more.. Great to see.. for now personally i'll keep buying CDs aside from perhaps the ultra rare EPs that are vinyl only before now.. thats kind of need and deserves FLAC as there is no other high quality choice.. Cheers Warp Jim

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Alan R. Lucas [mailto:arlucas@telerama.com] > Sent: 14 January 2004 16:21 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Bleep - mp3s > > > Well don't forget that your iPod isn't exactly providing the best sound > quality. SNR is only 90db. Screw Apple. Get a Creative player. The SNR is > 98db. Oh yeah, and they cost half as much. > > Try both the mp3 and the CD on the same PC with the same headphones, then > you'll at least know that you're hearing both through the same > hardware. I'm > not saying that there won't still be a difference. I'm just > saying that your > current method of comparison is flawed. > > Later, > Alan > > Quoting chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>: > > > sorry. this is IMO. i've heard songs on an ipod, encoded that high, > > with the same headphones as on my discman, and there is a difference. > > even the best mp3's are lacking a fullness, they sound canned. to > > me, mp3's are the digital equivalent of cassettes. i don't consider > > them a final stage worth paying money for. > > > > > > d. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2004-01-14 15:10MuffinI thought that too, but £2.99 for a 12"/EP £6.99 for an album Is much better LAME 3.90.3 -

From:: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:10:07 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

I thought that too, but £2.99 for a 12"/EP £6.99 for an album Is much better LAME 3.90.3 --alt-resent standard encoded VBR files [the Jimmy Edgar one I'm listening to at the moment is 237 kbps] The T&Cs are interesting: You are allowed to copy, burn and export the file for your personal non-commerical use... given that I use Final Scratch to DJ would that be considered commercial use? That's usually covered by the license the venue holds for traditional DJs. Hmmmmm. Would have been nice if the .mp3 files in the .zip I downloaded were named rather than just 01.zip through 04.zip - though importing them into iTunes sorted that out. Good that they aren't using DRM encumbered files. Would have been nice to see an option on formats [AAC, Ogg Vorbis, maybe WMA] so people could choose their weapon of choice. Out of curiosity, what would the members of the list reckon is a fair price to pay for a .mp3 file? ... And what would the preferred audio format be? on 14/1/04 2:49 pm the person going by the name chthonic streams at chthonic@chthonicstreams.com spake :

quoted 13 lines and songs are $1.35. oof.

>> and songs are $1.35. oof. > > for a thin-sounding, crappy mp3? fuk that. just let me know when > new CDs are released. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-01-14 15:23Eggy ToastMuffin said: > The T&Cs are interesting: You are allowed to copy, burn and export the > fi

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:23:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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Muffin said:

quoted 4 lines The T&Cs are interesting: You are allowed to copy, burn and export the

> The T&Cs are interesting: You are allowed to copy, burn and export the > file for your personal non-commerical use... given that I use Final > Scratch to DJ would that be considered commercial use? That's usually > covered by the license the venue holds for traditional DJs. Hmmmmm.

Exactly. The MP3s fall under the same idea as a standard cd/vinyl release, so if you play it out you fall under the dj licenses that normally apply.

quoted 3 lines Good that they aren't using DRM encumbered files. Would have been nice

> Good that they aren't using DRM encumbered files. Would have been nice > to see an option on formats [AAC, Ogg Vorbis, maybe WMA] so people could > choose their weapon of choice.

Agreed. Although, the MP3 files are at a high enough bitrate that it doesn't really bother me. I have hope that they'll explore other options, since it doesn't affect bandwidth, only server storage, and that's generally cheap nowadays.

quoted 3 lines Out of curiosity, what would the members of the list reckon is a fair

> Out of curiosity, what would the members of the list reckon is a fair > price to pay for a .mp3 file? ... And what would the preferred audio > format be?

I like OGG, out of general sound principle, and I don't have any real problem with the prices that seem to be abound -- between .99 and 1.50 a track, $10 or so for a full album. I just finished encoding every CD I own to OGG so I have access to it at my fingertips, so it's not entirely different to me at this point. In fact, I wouldn't be worried about running out of space for storage anymore :D -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 15:36Muffin> Exactly. The MP3s fall under the same idea as a standard cd/vinyl > release, so if you p

From:: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:36:32 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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quoted 3 lines Exactly. The MP3s fall under the same idea as a standard cd/vinyl

> Exactly. The MP3s fall under the same idea as a standard cd/vinyl > release, so if you play it out you fall under the dj licenses that > normally apply.

I hope so.

quoted 4 lines Agreed. Although, the MP3 files are at a high enough bitrate that it

> Agreed. Although, the MP3 files are at a high enough bitrate that it > doesn't really bother me. I have hope that they'll explore other options, > since it doesn't affect bandwidth, only server storage, and that's > generally cheap nowadays.

Encoding an entire back catalogue can be a pain too. Especially when releases aren't on CD... Or you don't even have masters to produce from. The encoding itself can be batched, but getting the meta data right is a pain... None of the contributed DB systems are reliable, and getting a monkey to do it means mistakes.

quoted 6 lines I like OGG, out of general sound principle, and I don't have any real

> I like OGG, out of general sound principle, and I don't have any real > problem with the prices that seem to be abound -- between .99 and 1.50 a > track, $10 or so for a full album. I just finished encoding every CD I > own to OGG so I have access to it at my fingertips, so it's not entirely > different to me at this point. In fact, I wouldn't be worried about > running out of space for storage anymore :D

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2004-01-14 16:02Eggy ToastMuffin said: > Encoding an entire back catalogue can be a pain too. Especially when > rele

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:02:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

Muffin said:

quoted 5 lines Encoding an entire back catalogue can be a pain too. Especially when

> Encoding an entire back catalogue can be a pain too. Especially when > releases aren't on CD... Or you don't even have masters to produce from. > The encoding itself can be batched, but getting the meta data right is a > pain... None of the contributed DB systems are reliable, and getting a > monkey to do it means mistakes.

Yeah, but that's part of the cost of doing an online mp3 catalog of your past releases, so it's not really extra money. Especially as it's one-time -- once you have the mp3's and 2 backups, that's it. Bandwidth costs are a constant accruance.

quoted 9 lines I like OGG, out of general sound principle, and I don't have any real

> >> I like OGG, out of general sound principle, and I don't have any real >> problem with the prices that seem to be abound -- between .99 and 1.50 >> a track, $10 or so for a full album. I just finished encoding every >> CD I own to OGG so I have access to it at my fingertips, so it's not >> entirely different to me at this point. In fact, I wouldn't be >> worried about running out of space for storage anymore :D > > Apart from diskspace / backup space.

Yeah, but how cheap is that? my 400+ CDs only take up 25 gigs, which is nothing in the half-terrabyte my girlfriend and I share between our various computers. And it's on teeny harddrives, the size of 2, maybe 3 cds. Compared to the cd tower and the wood rack that the cds are on now? Size and space is cheap now, in the scheme of things. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 14:50Eggy ToastAaron D Meyers said: > and songs are $1.35. oof. But albums are $9.99, and they state that

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:50:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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Aaron D Meyers said:

quoted 1 line and songs are $1.35. oof.

> and songs are $1.35. oof.

But albums are $9.99, and they state that the artist gets half of the price, not a paltry .07-.10 like iTunes. Still. Oooh no, 36 cents more! If it goes over the album price jsut buy the album. derek -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-01-14 14:53john tuffenWell, maybe you're better off than you think... here in the UK each track is 99p - at the

From:: john tuffen <john@namke.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:53:58 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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Well, maybe you're better off than you think... here in the UK each track is 99p - at the current $ exchange rate isn't that about the $1.80 mark?? :-) God, rip-off Britain eh? (humour...) They also mention that they're looking at a sliding scale pricing model as well (i.e. you buy more, you pay less per track)... john.. -- 7" single out now on iwari.com - namke communications: ice-9/salo http://www.iwari.com/ http://www.minimism.com/ --------------- Quoting Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>:

quoted 14 lines Aaron D Meyers said:

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2004-01-14 15:04Alan R. LucasMan. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading some of that old st

From:: Alan R. Lucas <arlucas@telerama.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:04:19 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
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Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading some of that old stuff. I'll still be buying physical product when it comes to most of the new stuff, but to be able to get some of this old crap is going to be awesome. I'm surprised that they don't have We R Are Why, though. Might have to ask about that. I could still kick myself for not buying that during the early days of WarpMart. Oh yeah, and HAB1. Later, Alan np:DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist:Product Placement Quoting Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>:

quoted 23 lines Aaron D Meyers said:

> > Aaron D Meyers said: > > and songs are $1.35. oof. > > > But albums are $9.99, and they state that the artist gets half of the > price, not a paltry .07-.10 like iTunes. > > Still. Oooh no, 36 cents more! If it goes over the album price jsut > buy > the album. > > derek > -- > eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2004-01-14 15:08BrandonI took a browse around, the concept of downloading mp3s instead of some DRM file is very c

From:: Brandon <djresonance@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:08:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

I took a browse around, the concept of downloading mp3s instead of some DRM file is very cool. I'm sure that people are going to download and share them on soulseek or whatever, but that is not the audience that warp is expecting to sell tracks to. It seems they are just giving honest people the opportunity to download some high quality tracks at a decent price. Too bad the site design is ass though. For being called 'the designers republic', they make the worst freaking ui for websites ever. Did anyone try browsing through the list of artists? You have to hover your mouse over a tiny little down arrow to scroll down the list of artists. The list scrolls pretty fast and it only shows about 10 items at a time. It wouldn't kill them to use a standard scroll bar on a web page to scroll through content. --- "Alan R. Lucas" <arlucas@telerama.com> wrote:

quoted 43 lines Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and

> Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and > start downloading some > of that old stuff. I'll still be buying physical > product when it comes to > most of the new stuff, but to be able to get some of > this old crap is going > to be awesome. > > I'm surprised that they don't have We R Are Why, > though. Might have to ask > about that. I could still kick myself for not buying > that during the early > days of WarpMart. Oh yeah, and HAB1. > > Later, > Alan > > np:DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist:Product Placement > > Quoting Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>: > > > > > Aaron D Meyers said: > > > and songs are $1.35. oof. > > > > > > But albums are $9.99, and they state that the > artist gets half of the > > price, not a paltry .07-.10 like iTunes. > > > > Still. Oooh no, 36 cents more! If it goes over > the album price jsut > > buy > > the album. > > > > derek > > -- > > eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com > > > > > > > > >

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2004-01-14 18:15Sara and BrandonYeah, that interface really sucks. It doesn't even allow direct access to certin parts...

From:: Sara and Brandon <gozravp@yahoo.com>
To:: Brandon <djresonance@yahoo.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

Yeah, that interface really sucks. It doesn't even allow direct access to certin parts... Check: Boards of Canada, for example. In the "tracks" section on the bottom doesn't even seem to have the (silly, counterproductive) arrows to scroll down. We see the a's.... Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I maximized my window and played around with it a bit... Oh well. I wonder if the Warp people are reading these posts for feedback. If so: thanks for the access. The idea is great, but the site could use some tweaking. -Brandon Brandon <djresonance@yahoo.com> wrote: I took a browse around, the concept of downloading mp3s instead of some DRM file is very cool. I'm sure that people are going to download and share them on soulseek or whatever, but that is not the audience that warp is expecting to sell tracks to. It seems they are just giving honest people the opportunity to download some high quality tracks at a decent price. Too bad the site design is ass though. For being called 'the designers republic', they make the worst freaking ui for websites ever. Did anyone try browsing through the list of artists? You have to hover your mouse over a tiny little down arrow to scroll down the list of artists. The list scrolls pretty fast and it only shows about 10 items at a time. It wouldn't kill them to use a standard scroll bar on a web page to scroll through content. --- "Alan R. Lucas" wrote:

quoted 43 lines Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and

> Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and > start downloading some > of that old stuff. I'll still be buying physical > product when it comes to > most of the new stuff, but to be able to get some of > this old crap is going > to be awesome. > > I'm surprised that they don't have We R Are Why, > though. Might have to ask > about that. I could still kick myself for not buying > that during the early > days of WarpMart. Oh yeah, and HAB1. > > Later, > Alan > > np:DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist:Product Placement > > Quoting Eggy Toast : > > > > > Aaron D Meyers said: > > > and songs are $1.35. oof. > > > > > > But albums are $9.99, and they state that the > artist gets half of the > > price, not a paltry .07-.10 like iTunes. > > > > Still. Oooh no, 36 cents more! If it goes over > the album price jsut > > buy > > the album. > > > > derek > > -- > > eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com > > > > > > > > >

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2004-01-14 15:08Glenn McClementsWhat I find exciting as well is that they are going to start selling tracks from other, la

From:: Glenn McClements <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:08:55 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

What I find exciting as well is that they are going to start selling tracks from other, labels a la Warpmart, so it'll be a one stop shop for all your bleepy needs.

quoted 35 lines Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading some

>Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading some >of that old stuff. I'll still be buying physical product when it comes to >most of the new stuff, but to be able to get some of this old crap is going >to be awesome. > >I'm surprised that they don't have We R Are Why, though. Might have to ask >about that. I could still kick myself for not buying that during the early >days of WarpMart. Oh yeah, and HAB1. > >Later, >Alan > >np:DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist:Product Placement > >Quoting Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>: > > > >>Aaron D Meyers said: >> >> >>>and songs are $1.35. oof. >>> >>> >>But albums are $9.99, and they state that the artist gets half of the >>price, not a paltry .07-.10 like iTunes. >> >>Still. Oooh no, 36 cents more! If it goes over the album price jsut >>buy >>the album. >> >>derek >>-- >>eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com >>

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2004-01-14 15:11Eggy ToastAlan R. Lucas said: > Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloadi

From:: Eggy Toast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:11:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Bleep
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Bleep

Alan R. Lucas said:

quoted 8 lines Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading

> Man. All I know is that I can't wait to get home and start downloading > some of that old stuff. I'll still be buying physical product when it > comes to most of the new stuff, but to be able to get some of this old > crap is going to be awesome. > > I'm surprised that they don't have We R Are Why, though. Might have to > ask about that. I could still kick myself for not buying that during the > early days of WarpMart. Oh yeah, and HAB1.

I'm not a fan of we r are why, but that's my opinion :D It looks like they got some of the important things up their first, and they'll likely have their entire catalog up eventually. They probably simply looked at the old stuff they sold to see which did better and focused on that, and then hit up eBay to see which old releases were getting the highest prices ;D I like that, thanks to this service, they also have many more previews for new and old songs. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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