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From: "Z Moser" <roachgod69@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:36:54 +0000

quoted 1 line I perform completely anonymously....If I cant put up a screen or

>I perform completely anonymously....If I cant put up a screen or

find a big

quoted 1 line box...I wear a ski mask. On my part this is because I want it to be

>box...I wear a ski mask. On my part this is because I want it to be

about

quoted 1 line the music. I've always been partial to spooky's idea of having

>the music. I've always been partial to spooky's idea of having

people sit in

quoted 1 line pitch black room and listen to performances.

>pitch black room and listen to performances.

this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid last year. i sat down and closed my eyes. it was great music. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 08:55 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid

>this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid >last year. i sat down and closed my eyes. it was great music.

A show about music should be just as enjoyable for the blind (if not moreso) as for the seeing. Of course, that doesn't mean you get a free ride to slack off as a performer. derek -- eggytoast.com -- eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid

> >this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid > >last year. i sat down and closed my eyes. it was great music.

re: Mira Calix, what is the general opinion on Skimskitta? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

went to an autechre party and the turned off every last light and were yelling at people for opening up the door to the backroom, for letting in any amount of light. it was pretty wicked! ive gone to another party by schematic where there were like 3 or 4 people on stage, i swear, doing anything to get your attention away from the music they were playing. even blew up a sex doll, and some girl was giving head to a dildo if i recall correctly. the sad thing was everyone was pleased, and cheered and clapped for these people when they were finished . i sure hope they heard me and my friend yelling over the cheers for them to play some actual music. richard divine didnt look too pleased while they were playing either. i dont give a damn whats going on onstage. if the music is good, its good. how are you supposed to watch whats going on onstage if ur dancing anyway. personally id rather go see good music with no stage show as opposed to crap with lasers and flashing lights or whatever. altho i wouldve like to have seen the aphex twin with those damn dancing bears! that shit rox!!!!!! cheers. d

>>this is how i was able to enjoy mira calix' dj set opening for plaid >>last year. i sat down and closed my eyes. it was great music. >A show about music should be just as enjoyable for the blind (if not >moreso) as for the seeing. >Of course, that doesn't mean you get a free ride to slack off as a performer. Depends on what you mean by "slack off." First time I saw Lexaunculpt he was performing sitting Indian style in the middle of a big empty stage with only his computer in front of him. Is that slacking off? Of course not- the music was amazing. Same goes for Autechre a few years ago with the only illumination was from their computers and them hunching down almost under the table on stage. The music is the highest priority. Besides, it seems that most of the 'rock show' vibe at electronic shows is just silly rock star poseurs trying to generate some sort of excitement (or interest) that the music itself should be generating.

Albers, Brian A. said:

quoted 7 lines Depends on what you mean by "slack off." First time I saw Lexaunculpt

> Depends on what you mean by "slack off." First time I saw Lexaunculpt > he was performing sitting Indian style in the middle of a big empty > stage with only his computer in front of him. Is that slacking off? Of > course not- the music was amazing. Same goes for Autechre a few years > ago with the only illumination was from their computers and them > hunching down almost under the table on stage. The music is the highest > priority.

I mean, you're not allowed to just play back a DAT and call it a "live performance." The performer should actually be performing, even if that performance is only aural, not visual.

quoted 4 lines Besides, it seems that most of the 'rock show' vibe at electronic shows

> > Besides, it seems that most of the 'rock show' vibe at electronic shows > is just silly rock star poseurs trying to generate some sort of > excitement (or interest) that the music itself should be generating.

Agreed. You're not a better show because you look funny. Although you probably make more people (of whom likely desperately need to show a little emotion) laugh. -- eggytoast.com : eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dude you look funny. On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Eggy Toast wrote:

quoted 5 lines Agreed. You're not a better show because you look funny. Although you

> > Agreed. You're not a better show because you look funny. Although you > probably make more people (of whom likely desperately need to show a > little emotion) laugh. >

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quoted 1 line First time I saw Lexaunculpt he was performing sitting Indian

>First time I saw Lexaunculpt he was performing sitting Indian

style in the middle of a big empty stage with only his computer in front of him. Is that slacking off? Of course not- the music was amazing. Same goes for Autechre a few years ago with the only illumination was from their computers and them hunching down almost under the table on stage. The music is the highest priority. i agree. but as this answer seems to be a theme among some responses, i then pose the counter-question: why bother going to a show? why pay $8-20 more when you already own the CD (or could, for the same amount of money)? and if someone is sitting stock still in front of their laptop, where is the proof they're actually doing anything for the money you paid to come see them? i'm not disputing the musical and programming genius of some of these artists. but if all the work is done at home, save perhaps turning a few plugins or tracks on and off, what are we paying for? someone mentioned nick forte. i was very impressed by him. anyone could say his performance was just as boring as any laptop artist, after all it's "just a guy playing guitar". while he was not the most stellar or riveting person to look at, i could see the cause and effect of his work. he played, he tweaked, he mixed, he played a kaoss pad with his foot. of course, if the music was boring, none of that would have mattered much, but the music was good. i bought his CD based on that show, and as i expected, it sounded almost nothing like what he did, because his performance was at least 90% improvised. but the CD is good too.

quoted 1 line Besides, it seems that most of the 'rock show' vibe at electronic

> Besides, it seems that most of the 'rock show' vibe at electronic

shows is just silly rock star poseurs trying to generate some sort of excitement (or interest) that the music itself should be generating. well, the "rock show" is not the cure-all answer of what to do onstage, for any kind of artist. one thing that came to mind for laptop musicians was a video camera behind the artist, showing what's happening on the laptop. at least another angle would make things more interesting. or even a video feed from his monitor, in addition to some other visuals. but frankly, i'd prefer more people onstage, and/or assigning different parts to various types of controllers, such as keyboards, or theremin-like devices, electronic drum pads, contact mics run through processing, midi triggers hooked up to just about any object they might work with. if this sounds too "rock show", and the artists are really against this, trying to create a whole new paradigm for music and the way we experience it, then they need to come up with a new way of presenting their music live as well, instead of showing up at a rock club and sitting onstage. i don't know what the answer is, but to me, that isn't it. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line I perform completely anonymously....If I cant put up a screen or

>I perform completely anonymously....If I cant put up a screen or

find a big

quoted 1 line box...I wear a ski mask. On my part this is because I want it to be

>box...I wear a ski mask. On my part this is because I want it to be

about

quoted 1 line the music. I've always been partial to spooky's idea of having

>the music. I've always been partial to spooky's idea of having

people sit in

quoted 1 line pitch black room and listen to performances.

>pitch black room and listen to performances.

Yeah i dress up when i play everytime, i have a mask i wear (lobotomized zombie looking thing) and fake blood splattered lab coat. Sometimes its tricky to see stuff but i'm use to it and it gets real hot under the mask but its so worth it. I agree that it should be just about the music 2 but also i try and give people somethin 2 look at too. And also I like to see the artist and see they're enjoying it too. Yeah I guess i'm a bit more out the front, i don't have a laptop but a pc and i would never hide behind it. I think it stems from my rock days, like when a band plays they're on stage and you can look at them and see them getting into it and that gets you into it, I like that and try to do something similar but not like a club dj bangin his fists in the air, but just because i think each show is a performance and i work as hard as i can to entertain people. Manifestevil: http://www.freewebs.com/manifestevil sounds (mp3 n streams): http://www.electromancer.com/artist.php?id=c29497d538 or http://www.mp3.com.au/manifestevil remixes (mp3): http://www.angelfire.com/creep/manifestevil/remix.html M+D: http://www.angelfire.com/md3/p-o --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time!