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2003-03-12 23:03Randall Roberts [idm] re: indie ethics
├─ 2003-03-12 22:22Josh Steiner Re: [idm] re: indie ethics
└─ 2003-03-13 00:56Muffin [idm] Murcof, Manitoba, & THANK YOU RANDALL & BEN (was YAWN Re: YAWN [idm] YAWN re: YAWN indie YAWN ethics YAWN)
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2003-03-12 23:03Randall RobertsThe MP3 dilemma is actually pretty cut and dried: if you love the music you're downloading
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The MP3 dilemma is actually pretty cut and dried: if you love the music you're downloading and you want the artist who made that music that you love to continue making music that you love without him/her having to devote his/her time to flipping burgers or writing code or whatnot for a living, he/she/it has to be compensated in some form. So, steal away, but realize that the more you take, the less he/she/it has time to create, and that we as music freaks are all the worse for that truth. Labels, copyrights, etc. are really beside the point. It's about a connection between creator and audience; if the creator has emotionally moved the audience, and the audience has received pleasure and wants to continue receiving said pleasure, they must help support the creator lest he/she/it loses inspiration because of an inability to support himheritself. luv, Randall Roberts the Lou, Mo. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-12 22:22Josh SteinerRandall Roberts wrote: >The MP3 dilemma is actually pretty cut and dried: if you love the
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Randall Roberts wrote:
quoted 9 lines The MP3 dilemma is actually pretty cut and dried: if you love the music>The MP3 dilemma is actually pretty cut and dried: if you love the music >you're downloading and you want the artist who made that music that you >love to continue making music that you love without him/her having to >devote his/her time to flipping burgers or writing code or whatnot for a >living, he/she/it has to be compensated in some form. So, steal away, >but realize that the more you take, the less he/she/it has time to >create, and that we as music freaks are all the worse for that truth. > >
absolutely, i dont think that anyone is really arguing against "support the artists you like" ... i just wish that labels would embrace donation systems so that mp3 sharers could give back. there once was a website where you could donate to artist who registed themselves there, but i htink labels got pissy since it was in essence as rubber stamp of approval for file sharing from the artists. anyone know the url for that? does it still exist?
quoted 7 lines Labels, copyrights, etc. are really beside the point. It's about a>Labels, copyrights, etc. are really beside the point. It's about a >connection between creator and audience; if the creator has emotionally >moved the audience, and the audience has received pleasure and wants to >continue receiving said pleasure, they must help support the creator >lest he/she/it loses inspiration because of an inability to support >himheritself. >
well, except that many people, like myself, believe that free trading of information helps the artist in the end, but there is a massive legal and public relations campaign that is branding music sharers as pirates, which i find very offensive. further, i think its motivated by people who have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. i think people should be clammering to adapt to change rather than fighting it.
quoted 11 lines luv,>luv, > > >Randall Roberts >the Lou, Mo. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2003-03-13 00:56Muffinon 12/3/03 11:03 pm the person going by the name Randall Roberts at Randall.Roberts@riverf
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on 12/3/03 11:03 pm the person going by the name Randall Roberts at Randall.Roberts@riverfronttimes.com spake :
quoted 6 lines It's about a> It's about a > connection between creator and audience; if the creator has emotionally > moved the audience, and the audience has received pleasure and wants to > continue receiving said pleasure, they must help support the creator > lest he/she/it loses inspiration because of an inability to support > himheritself.
At last something I can agree with :-) Oh. And Ben saying I was .5 of the intelligent people on here. That's the biggest compliment I've had in years. Ta mate. (I reckon Pixellate === John Reading and they are an agent sent from the RIAA to enforce the myth that one format of distribution is worse than another by confusing us and being noisey.) I'm going back to reading books now... But before I do. .. Been listening 'Martes' by Murcof on leaf and I don't think I've mentioned how nice this album is before. I know it's probably old hat to lots on this list, but it's a lovely melding of infusions. It is post modern music in that it takes references from so many places and brings them together into it's own space of beauty. Classical composition meets heavyweight bass and the cut up glitch. It is music of the technology which exists now and encapsulates all that sampling has become. More than lifting a grove and now lifting and evolving an atmosphere. I listened to it sitting in a conservatory on a cold spring morning as the sun broke through the trees and the birds fed on seeds in the garden and for a moment I forgot about all the fuckedupness going on around the world and was enraptured by the beauty of it all. And on the leaf note what does everyone think of Jacknuggeted, the new Manitoba release? I keep on thinking "Badly Drawn Boy" when I hear it. But in a good way. It's nice and summery and the video looks lovely [well, the one I saw on manitoba.fm, which was a bit grainy] muffin -- currently chillin' away from home on narrowband. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org