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Re: [idm] Record companies on the way out

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2003-03-04 10:13Paul Ressel [idm] Record companies on the way out
├─ 2003-03-04 19:48Josh Steiner Re: [idm] Record companies on the way out
└─ 2003-03-05 03:31EggyToast Re: [idm] Record companies on the way out
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2003-03-04 22:55Eric [idm] Re: Record companies on the way out
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2003-03-04 10:13Paul ResselFound this in a thesis.... The roll of the record company is becoming more and more redund
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Found this in a thesis.... The roll of the record company is becoming more and more redundant with the advent of the digital age. In The past, record companies payed for studio time, distribution, promotion, marketing etc. and the average muso trying to make it big couldn't afford to do so. But now all you need to cut a world class album is a PC, a bit of experience and some time. As far as markeing and promotion go... time and time again the internet has proved to be a powerful tool for getting exposure, minus the large budget. The point is that record companies are proving to be more trouble than they're worth. Why do you think piracy has become such a large issue? The musicians aren't losing money because they make 90% of their earnings from sponsorship and endorsment. Album sales go pretty much into the record company's pocket exclusively. The US music industry lost $40 Billion in 2001. A sign that things are changing. The next few years could difintely see the rise of the indi musicians. Any comments? H _______________________________________________________________ http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-04 19:48Josh SteinerPaul Ressel wrote: >Found this in a thesis.... > >The roll of the record company is becomi
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Paul Ressel wrote:
quoted 13 lines Found this in a thesis....>Found this in a thesis.... > >The roll of the record company is becoming more and more redundant >with the advent of the digital age. In The past, record companies >payed for studio time, distribution, promotion, marketing etc. and the >average muso trying to make it big couldn't afford to do so. > >But now all you need to cut a world class album is a PC, a bit of >experience and some time. As far as markeing and promotion go... time >and time again the internet has proved to be a powerful tool for >getting exposure, minus the large budget. > >
record distrubuters may well be on the way out in the long term, but record companies act as a filter between artist and listener that listeners appriciate. if you've ever tried to buy enough drum'n'bass vinyl to build uyp a consistant dj set, you'd quickly appriciate how nice it is to have labels :) -josh ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-05 03:31EggyToastAt 12:13 PM 3/4/2003 +0200, you wrote: >Found this in a thesis.... > >The US music industr
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At 12:13 PM 3/4/2003 +0200, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines Found this in a thesis....>Found this in a thesis.... > >The US music industry lost $40 Billion in 2001. A sign that things are >changing. The next few years could difintely see the rise of the indi >musicians.
Or the rise of the consumer, rebelling against all of the crappy music out there. I still think it's funny that there's "all this money" purportedly being lost when they're not losing any physical product (like, oh say, the *rest* of the piracy world), there are still plenty of manufactured stars and bands, and they're printing more music than they're selling. Yet they never stop to think that, oh, maybe like every other industry on the planet, that if you don't offer a quality product, people will take their money elsewhere. You get 1 hour of questionable entertainment on a $18 CD. You get 2 hours of entertainment you're much more sure of on a $20 DVD. I wonder why the CD industry is losing money? Maybe they should take a look at the DVD industry and take some pointers -- give people what they want, and at a good price. ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-03-04 10:22sasha@rockinpony.cominternet is not enough, you definitely need money to release your music (cd or vinyl), and
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internet is not enough, you definitely need money to release your music (cd or vinyl), and promote and sell it outside of internet. also, because of the fact that music is so easy to make now ("But now all you need to cut a world class album is a PC") , there is too much music in the market, and some of it is really bad :-0 s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Ressel" <paulressel@mailbox.co.za> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: [idm] Record companies on the way out
quoted 37 lines Found this in a thesis....> Found this in a thesis.... > > The roll of the record company is becoming more and more redundant > with the advent of the digital age. In The past, record companies > payed for studio time, distribution, promotion, marketing etc. and the > average muso trying to make it big couldn't afford to do so. > > But now all you need to cut a world class album is a PC, a bit of > experience and some time. As far as markeing and promotion go... time > and time again the internet has proved to be a powerful tool for > getting exposure, minus the large budget. > > The point is that record companies are proving to be more trouble than > they're worth. Why do you think piracy has become such a large issue? > The musicians aren't losing money because they make 90% of their > earnings from sponsorship and endorsment. Album sales go pretty much > into the record company's pocket exclusively. > > The US music industry lost $40 Billion in 2001. A sign that things are > changing. The next few years could difintely see the rise of the indi > musicians. > > Any comments? > H > _______________________________________________________________ > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > NetWiseGurus.Com Portal - Your Own Internet Business Today! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >
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2003-03-04 22:55Eric> From: "Paul Ressel" <paulressel@mailbox.co.za> > > Found this in a thesis.... You don't
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quoted 3 lines From: "Paul Ressel" <paulressel@mailbox.co.za>> From: "Paul Ressel" <paulressel@mailbox.co.za> > > Found this in a thesis....
You don't say...
quoted 3 lines The US music industry lost $40 Billion in 2001. A sign that things are> The US music industry lost $40 Billion in 2001. A sign that things are > changing. The next few years could difintely see the rise of the indi > musicians.
According to the RIAA's own numbers the size of the entire music industry is between $13-14 Billion. Beyond that and accounting for typos, the music industry did not lose $4bil in 2001 either. I smell a troll, -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org