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2003-02-07 21:04EggyToast> I will rip it and d/l because personally I don't care if they make >money or not. Making

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:04:26 -0500
Subject:: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)

quoted 2 lines I will rip it and d/l because personally I don't care if they make

> I will rip it and d/l because personally I don't care if they make >money or not. Making music is not about making money.

As someone who makes music as a hobby, I do really wish that it didn't take money to make music. Sadly, without money, the only music there is consists of live a capella. As it is, all of the music I make stays with me, as it's not worth it for me to spend money to put it out there. I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl vs. cd vs. consumer's preference. If you don't make what the people want, you can't expect them to buy it. Not everyone owns a record player, and given the limitations of the technology, it's a bit silly to release things only on vinyl. Probably explains why most record releases are limited issue. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-08 13:20ben gill> I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl > vs. cd vs. consumer's > preference.

From:: ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 05:20:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)
Reply to:: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)

quoted 9 lines I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl

> I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl > vs. cd vs. consumer's > preference. If you don't make what the people want, > you can't expect them > to buy it. Not everyone owns a record player, and > given the limitations of > the technology, it's a bit silly to release things > only on vinyl. Probably > explains why most record releases are limited issue.

D, are you talking about the world population as a whole, or even the US pop.? Since when did that large of an audience take a micro-sub-mini-genre like IDM into account? Pressing records is still completely valid--if one is aiming at a market that still considers vinyl a supportable medium (most electronic music listeners). The "limitations of the technology" might be exactly why someone chooses to buy the vinyl over equally/lower priced cd format. I mean, why use old synthesizers?--the technology is definitely outdated. Similar argument. Ben bacon and grits ***coming soon*** gritstastic.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-01-11 00:23danielI will reiterate that my argument was that buying vinyl was not valid for *me* as a listen

From:: daniel <daniel@aptrick.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:23:29 -0600
Subject:: RE: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)
Reply to:: Re: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)

I will reiterate that my argument was that buying vinyl was not valid for *me* as a listener. It is not the same argument because you are taking the comment completely out of context. No, just because I don't buy vinyl doesn't mean I don't support the music industry, believe that music should be free, not vote Democratic because I am a Socialist, believe there is a God, torture small cildren or support terrorism. Just for the record I thought I will make that disclaimer before someone else manages to stretch the comment out even thinner than it already is. It is very simple: I don't buy vinyl because it is antiquated (relatively, to me) and is not transport-friendly when it comes to hauling a fuckload of records around to hear a few choice tracks when I can just rip the cd/download/etc.onto mp3 and just listen to music. -daniel -----Original Message----- From: ben gill [mailto:gillette_foamy@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7.21 am To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)

quoted 9 lines I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl

> I do agree with you, though, on the point of vinyl > vs. cd vs. consumer's > preference. If you don't make what the people want, > you can't expect them > to buy it. Not everyone owns a record player, and > given the limitations of > the technology, it's a bit silly to release things > only on vinyl. Probably > explains why most record releases are limited issue.

D, are you talking about the world population as a whole, or even the US pop.? Since when did that large of an audience take a micro-sub-mini-genre like IDM into account? Pressing records is still completely valid--if one is aiming at a market that still considers vinyl a supportable medium (most electronic music listeners). The "limitations of the technology" might be exactly why someone chooses to buy the vinyl over equally/lower priced cd format. I mean, why use old synthesizers?--the technology is definitely outdated. Similar argument. Ben bacon and grits ***coming soon*** gritstastic.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-10 19:50John Hager>I will reiterate that my argument was that buying vinyl was not valid for >*me* you might

From:: John Hager <HagerJW@Healthall.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:50:54 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] vinyl and buying music (was RE: [idm] seekign Proem recommendations...)

quoted 1 line I will reiterate that my argument was that buying vinyl was not valid

>I will reiterate that my argument was that buying vinyl was not valid

for

quoted 1 line *me*

>*me*

you might want to keep that in mind the next time you so casually question why someone ELSE would buy vinyl, and then suggest they download mp3's instead.... you apparently only choose to support (buy) music that is released in formats you prefer, but this is obviously not necessarily the case for the rest of "us". some of "us" believe in buying the vinyl music we download in addition to the cds we buy to support the artist for those works as well; even though we have to endure all the "hassles" (all your excuses for not buying vinyl) that come with dealing with this analog format. you obviously feel your above this, which is ok providing you keep it to yourself. when you suggest to a stranger (to you) download something over buying it simply because it's vinyl, because you hate vinyl (or it's passe or whatever), in a public forum such as this, your basically pissing on the support that other music lovers give to vinyl by spending money on those vinyls. (hence the "backlash" you received here) Some of us DO care if the artist makes money off those vinyls they worked so hard on, regardless of whether or not we like the vinyl format. you do not, but don't make comments that presume "we" share your opinion, because many of us don't! john --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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