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2003-01-19 16:58Renick Bell Re: [idm] who needs labels? (web access in china )
├─ 2003-01-19 17:06Graham Bennett Re: [idm] who needs labels? (web access in china )
└─ 2003-01-20 09:59Richard Barnett Re: [idm] who needs labels? (web access in china )
2003-01-19 17:49seeklektek Re: [idm] who needs labels? (web access in china )
└─ 2003-01-20 07:33Irene McC [idm] music piracy (Robbie Williams)
2003-01-20 22:42cath animon Re: [idm] music piracy (Robbie Williams)
└─ 2003-01-20 22:51svin [idm] who the fuck is Robbie Williams?
└─ 2003-01-20 22:59Paul Lloyd Re: [idm] who the fuck is Robbie Williams?
2003-01-20 23:54consumer monkey [idm] Re:music piracy (Robbie Williams)
└─ 2003-01-21 00:32James R Bamford [idm] Electronic music to download
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2003-01-19 16:58Renick Bell> How much time and money is it going to cost to download an album over a shared 56k dialu
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quoted 1 line How much time and money is it going to cost to download an album over a shared 56k> How much time and money is it going to cost to download an album over a shared 56k
dialup from a Calcutta cyber cafe, or somewhere similar in Thailand, China, Brazil, etc? A friend of mine just returned from a business trip to Shang Hai. Dial-up accounts are free all over China, I've been told; you just pay the cost of the local call. The friend said much is available on the street or in markets; this person wasn't a fan of idm, but I'd guess that you aren't going to pick up Delarosa and Asora from a bootlegger there. Still, if you are one of the lucky minority in Shanghai who can afford a PC (which is as cheap as the states, if not cheaper), then the cost for obtaining something via p2p is considerably cheaper than buying a Made in the USA imported IDM 12" or CD. On a monthly salary of $571 (rough liberal average for rookie white-collar worker), that's a lot of incentive to use p2p. These same people, like their Western counterparts, are working in companies with T1 lines or DSL, where they are able to spend their employed time just as many in the West are or were able to. From what I know, cyber cafes in Thailand and China aren't using 56k; they're broadband. You'd be surprised. I couldn't get reliable DSL service living in Harlem for more than a year after I first subscribed. Now, living in Asia, I live in the freaking mountains and had DSL within 2 weeks (it has been perfectly reliable ever since). Verizon couldn't do that shit. There's a widely held misconception state-side that America is technologically superior to anywhere else on the planet. More Americans ought to travel more; they'd begin to see that life in America isn't so grand, or at least doesn't have a monopoly on reasonable standards of living. There is little doubt that many more people suffer than belong to the wired class (for a variety of reasons); but Americans are often ignorant about the truth of living standards in various places around the world. So, back to IDM and p2p... have you ever been record shopping in Tokyo? There's a shocking experience. CDs in Japan are extremely expensive, making p2p look even better for consumers there. While I'm not too sure about the number of p2p users downloading IDM in China or elsewhere in Asia, I'm sure Japan has a large number of users. I understand Jeff's points about the benefits for artists provided labels, but I don't understand his skepticism about the online world. At any rate, it's an argument about economics and practicality that's been rehashed here dozens of times. The customer will always try to find a way to get the same product for less. When p2p makes it so easy, there is only time between now and the end of label-as-business (as we know it). There will be clever business people (probably not musicians) who will figure out the model for profitting on this new way; hearing labels gripe is like listening to the frustrated and dying old guy in a wheelchair at the nursing home, griping to everyone about how the food doesn't taste as good and how his family doesn't visit as much as they used to. Sure, it's sad, but he's going to pass away, and he'll be forgotten. His family and close friends will mourn for a while, but even they will move on. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 17:06Graham Bennetthttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2673983.stm "Williams' latest best-selling album
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2673983.stm "Williams' latest best-selling album Escapology has so far sold five million copies since it was released on 18 November. "EMI is reported to believe it will only make a profit once 18 million copies have been sold. " wtf have they been doing with all that money? i didn't know what the album was called until i read that. -- Graham Bennett --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 09:59Richard BarnettRenick Bell said the following on 20/01/2003 3:58: >>How much time and money is it going t
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Renick Bell said the following on 20/01/2003 3:58:
quoted 10 lines How much time and money is it going to cost to download an album over a shared 56k>>How much time and money is it going to cost to download an album over a shared 56k >> >> >dialup from a Calcutta cyber cafe, or somewhere similar in Thailand, China, Brazil, etc? > >[...] if you are one of the lucky minority in Shanghai who can afford >a PC (which is as cheap as the states, if not cheaper), then the cost for obtaining >something via p2p is considerably cheaper [...] > >
Sure; but the fact that a small fraction of the global music-buying population can choose to use p2p to acquire some fraction of the music they want doesn't mean that record labels are now obsolete, which was the original assertion.
quoted 8 lines There's a widely held misconception state-side that America is technologically superi>There's a widely held misconception state-side that America is technologically superior >to anywhere else on the planet. More Americans ought to travel more; they'd begin to see >that life in America isn't so grand, or at least doesn't have a monopoly on reasonable >standards of living. There is little doubt that many more people suffer than belong to >the wired class (for a variety of reasons); but Americans are often ignorant about the >truth of living standards in various places around the world. > >
Maybe the misconception you describe does exist; as a Brit living in Australia I wouldn't know. I don't think "technologically superior" is the correct term, though; your reference to the "wired class" is more accurate as disposable income is a big factor, but the commoditisation, marketing and geographic availability of web access are also all significant. -- R
2003-01-19 17:49seeklektekFrom: "Graham Bennett" > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2673983.stm > "Williams'
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quoted 5 lines > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2673983.stm > "Williams' latest best-selling album Escapology has so far sold five > million copies since it was released on 18 November. > "EMI is reported to believe it will only make a profit once 18 million > copies have been sold. "
quoted 2 lines wtf have they been doing with all that money? i didn't know what the> wtf have they been doing with all that money? i didn't know what the > album was called until i read that.
quoted 1 line Graham Bennett> Graham Bennett
I didn't even know that Andy Williams was still recording...much less alive! What ever happened to Claudine Longet, anyway? ;) .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 07:33Irene McCFor those who haven't gone to the link, here's the full article: Music piracy is great, sa
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For those who haven't gone to the link, here's the full article: Music piracy is great, says Robbie Williams January 19 2003 at 01:22PM Cannes, France - Pop sensation Robbie Williams said he believes music piracy, which costs the record industry millions of dollars every year, is a great idea. "I think it's great, really I do. There is nothing no one can do about it. I am sure my record label would hate me saying it, and my manager and my accountants," Williams said Saturday at the MIDEM music trade fair here. Williams, whose contract with EMI is worth a reported $126-million, said he had investigated the issue of music piracy before renegotiating his new deal with the record company last year. "I went and saw all the labels and asked: 'What are you going to do about it?' And I heard a lot of hot air. The heads of the record labels don't know what to do about it." Williams' last album Escapology has sold five million copies since its release on November 18, but EMI is reported to believe it will only make a profit when about 18 million copies are sold. Currently, record companies fear that some 800 million bootlegged records are sold annually, compared with the industry's total legal sales of 2,4 billion discs in 2001. Meanwhile, the industry is also faced with the new challenge of the spread of music that can be downloaded free of charge from the internet. Total sales for the music industry fell by 9 percent last year to $30,3-billion. - Sapa-AFP --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 22:42cath animonwhen you're on a ?126 million record deal, you can say what you like. robbie williams coul
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when you're on a ?126 million record deal, you can say what you like. robbie williams could get a colony of naked au-pairs built on mars for him if he wanted. why would music piracy threaten him? he should maybe think about the rest of the musicians who aren't quite on his salary before making comments...
quoted 48 lines From: "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com>>From: "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> >Reply-To: substar@iafrica.com >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] music piracy (Robbie Williams) >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 09:33:05 +0200 > >For those who haven't gone to the link, here's the full article: > >Music piracy is great, says Robbie Williams > >January 19 2003 at 01:22PM > >Cannes, France - Pop sensation Robbie Williams said he believes music >piracy, which costs the record industry millions of dollars every >year, is a great idea. > >"I think it's great, really I do. There is nothing no one can do >about it. I am sure my record label would hate me saying it, and my >manager and my accountants," Williams said Saturday at the MIDEM >music trade fair here. > >Williams, whose contract with EMI is worth a reported $126-million, >said he had investigated the issue of music piracy before >renegotiating his new deal with the record company last year. > >"I went and saw all the labels and asked: 'What are you going to do >about it?' And I heard a lot of hot air. The heads of the record >labels don't know what to do about it." > >Williams' last album Escapology has sold five million copies since >its release on November 18, but EMI is reported to believe it will >only make a profit when about 18 million copies are sold. > >Currently, record companies fear that some 800 million bootlegged >records are sold annually, compared with the industry's total legal >sales of 2,4 billion discs in 2001. > >Meanwhile, the industry is also faced with the new challenge of the >spread of music that can be downloaded free of charge from the >internet. > >Total sales for the music industry fell by 9 percent last year to >$30,3-billion. - Sapa-AFP > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-01-20 22:51svinthat stupid actor? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo
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2003-01-20 22:59Paul Lloyd>that stupid actor? no, that stupid pop singer. you're thinking of kevin bacon. ;) ~paul -
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quoted 1 line that stupid actor?>that stupid actor?
no, that stupid pop singer. you're thinking of kevin bacon. ;) ~paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-20 23:54consumer monkeyFrom: "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> Total sales for the music industry fell by 9 perce
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From: "Irene McC" <substar@iafrica.com> Total sales for the music industry fell by 9 percent last year to $30,3-billion. - Sapa-AFP what they only got 30 billion and they still want us to pay for advertising and sexy poopstar clothing? well at least it's DOWN 9%, let's hope 99% next year. Morrissey _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-21 00:32James R BamfordHi, almost to complement my binaural recordings (http://jimtreats.crosswinds.net/MyTreats/
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Hi, almost to complement my binaural recordings (http://jimtreats.crosswinds.net/MyTreats/Binaural/index.htm) i've putten up some tracks of electronic music created by a friend at work... i quite like some of it.. especially as i say on the page, the track Stung.... nice melodic stuff... bit like BOC, Arovane etc.. check it out.. its free till my ISP complains, which they shouldn't as its copyright free, or accepted and put online on behalf of the copyright owner.. check it out here.. http://jimtreats.crosswinds.net/MusicTreats/damon/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org