solution: Irdial records
http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutmusic/toptens/irdial.shtml
this article seems to outline a very insightful stance
on every issue raised in the last 24 hours on the
list. I don't know what's up with Irdial's site,
however, as it seems to be under construction or to
have disappeared completely....probably due to that
"conet project" and its implications....
Ben
--- Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 238 lines Let me get this straight.
> > Let me get this straight.
> >
> > 1) Label tries to make money selling CDs.
> >
> > 2) Internet gets invented. People start trading
> > files over the
> > internet. It's a lot of trouble finding the music
> > that you want, and
> > it's a pain ripping CDs, but a lot of people
> prefer
> > downloading music
> > to buying CDs because it's so much cheaper (free).
> >
> > 3) Labels complain that people aren't buying what
> > they're selling, throw
> > up hands in frustration.
> >
> > So, if customers prefer the convenience and
> > cheapness of digital music,
> > and aren't buying so many CDs, why not provide
> what
> > the customers want?
> >
> > Emusic seems to have been doing all right. I
> would
> > think a label with a
> > relatively OK back catalog and a good reputation
> > would stand to have
> > some good success with a cheap subscription
> service
> > where we can go
> > purchase access to a server and download the music
> > straight from the
> > label.
> >
> > OK, once it's downloaded, people could still trade
> > it and avoid spending
> > the money, but there are still a lot of people
> > (like, non-college
> > students, for one) who do not have the time or the
> > energy to go
> > searching for music they want on file servers and
> > P2P networks. It's
> > not easy. You rarely actually find what you want.
>
> > Most of the stuff
> > on P2P networks, even the good ones like Soulseek,
> > is crap, often even
> > poorly encoded.
> >
> > So I still think the one thing that no decent
> label
> > has tried is a music
> > subscription service. Charge money to give people
> > access to your back
> > catalog in good, high quality digital music files.
>
> > I suppose the
> > problem then would be if servers and bandwidth
> prove
> > to be just as
> > expensive as (or more expensive than) pressing
> > CDs... but as noted
> > above, eMusic seems to do OK. The service only
> > needs to be cheaper
> > than CDs, and more convenient than the P2P
> networks.
> > And not require
> > weird software and all sorts of digital rights
> > stuff.
> >
> > As long as it's more convenient thant he P2P
> stuff,
> > and cheaper than
> > CDs, there's the sweet spot, and people who want
> the
> > music will flock
> > to it. I know I would. I spent quite a bit on
> > eMusic getting a lot of
> > the good stuff they offer.
> >
> > I seem to recall some Ninja Tune stuff was
> available
> > there for a short
> > while, only to be pulled, with some rumors about
> > Ninja Tune looking
> > into offering their own download service - which
> > doesn't appear to have
> > happened. I got some stuff while it was on eMusic
> -
> > that was nice.
> > But I haven't found it worth my money to spend
> full
> > CD prices on more
> > Ninja Tune stuff, as the Ninja Tune sound
> generally
> > isn't my ball of
> > wax.
> >
> > Yeah, that was supposed to be a short single
> > paragraph thing, but turned
> > into a long rant. So why aren't there label
> > subscription services?
> > Seems to me some of the bigger indies would stand
> to
> > make a bundle,
> > maybe... Buying cheap Ogg files straight from
> your
> > websites would be
> > worth it over trying to find the stuff on P2P
> > networks.
> >
> > Especially for those of us who run alternative
> > Operating Systems on
> > which the best programs like SoulSeek don't even
> > run...
> > -Adam Piontek
> >
> > On Friday 17 January 2003 6:20 pm, Jeff/Ninja Tune
> > wrote:
> > > I want to know where I can get CD's made for
> $.25.
> > Sign me up. I'd be
> > > making a whole lot more money with that kind of
> > manufacturing.
> > >
> > > This argument pisses me off. Fuck, after all the
> > manufacturing,
> > > pre-production, marketing cost, tour support,
> > shipping costs,
> > > overhead, paying the artist royalties (cause
> we're
> > crazy like that),
> > > mechanical royalties, etc... we're not exactly
> > killing it on the
> > > margins. We make a bit, artist makes a bit,
> store
> > makes a bit,
> > > distributor makes a bit. Is 15.98 list really so
> > high (the list on
> > > our titles). What do you pay to eat a good meal
> at
> > a restaurant? How
> > > many drinks do you get at a bar for that? What
> do
> > you spend for an
> > > average evening out? Let's face it. The whole
> > argument exists because
> > > music is easily downloaded for free so all of a
> > sudden there is a
> > > comparative value attached to it. "Fuck it I can
> > get it for free, so
> > > I'm clearly being ripped off when I pay for it".
> > >
> > > I think the music industry is fucking sketchy as
> > all hell also, but
> > > I've managed to carve out a comfortable living
> for
> > myself and our
> > > artists where I don't have to subscribe to most
> of
> > that bullshit that
> > > swirls around. I agree with a lot of what's
> being
> > said here, but a
> > > lot of you got a lot of learning to do in the
> > field of economics and
> > > the fact that this current mess could cause a
> > nasty trickle down
> > > effect to the artist/labels you actually like.
> I'm
> > already having
> > > trouble getting as many records out there as I'd
> > like to because most
> > > of the stores are struggling and the budgets
> just
> > aren't there right
> > > now for a lot of stores to take chances on the
> > smaller/interesting
> > > shit. The irony being that that's the stuff
> that's
> > selling right now
> > > as it's supported by dedicated fans, but that's
> > the situation. At the
> > > end of the day, a lot of people will probably be
> > fucked in the
> > > transition, but it's a billion dollar industry
> > that isn't going away
> > > it's just going to change up a bit in how it
> > operates.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > > From: "Patrick Norris"
> > <untitledartist@hotmail.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:16:35 -0500
> > > > To: IDM@hyperreal.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music
> > Industry Dies - Wired
> > > > Magazine, 2/2003
> > > >
> > > >> Fucking $18 for a CD that cost 25 cents to
> > produce in mass
> > > >> quantities?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I seem like a Bastard here, but, there
> > only 25 cents for a
> > > > c.d. if you pay the artist no money for his
> time
> > and work and any
> > > > extra engineers or mastering engineers gotta
> eat
> > too. Your paying
> > > > everyone who helped bring the disk to you, At
> > least consider that.
> > > > Many of my freinds are engineers at studios
> > around the states and
> > > > they don't make shit as it is...but yeah just
> > let 'em starve.
> > > > 'Cause you know the Label CEO's, they ain't
> > gonna take pay-cuts. I
> > > > don't think $ 18 is cool either but when you
> > refuse to pay, you
> > > > aint hurting the millionaire major label
> heads,
> > you're hurtin'
> > > > freinds of mine....
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure I'll get a severe tongue lashing for
> > even mentioning this
> > > >
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
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