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2003-01-18 18:37julia m Re: [idm] Downloading music
└─ 2003-01-18 18:49svin Re: [idm] Downloading music
2003-01-18 20:04seeklektek Re: [idm] Downloading music
├─ 2003-01-18 23:42ben gill Re: [idm] Downloading music
└─ 2003-01-19 03:52EggyToast Re: [idm] Downloading music
├─ 2003-01-19 04:01svin Re: [idm] Downloading music
│ └─ 2003-01-19 20:09Mike Brown [idm] Re: Downloading music [LONG -- delete now]
└─ 2003-01-19 04:10Adam Piontek [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
└─ 2003-01-19 04:53ben gill Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
└─ 2003-01-19 05:02Adam Piontek Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
├─ 2003-01-19 15:46EggyToast Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
└─ 2003-01-19 17:01svin Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
└─ 2003-01-19 17:55Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
2003-01-19 17:46seeklektek Re: [idm] us vs. them vs. me vs. versus
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2003-01-18 18:37julia muh uh another one of those poor me, I have to work and its not fair emails. Whatever, fuck
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uh uh another one of those poor me, I have to work and its not fair emails. Whatever, fuck you all! If you want to do it, you do it, if its burning inside you, your creativity, your passion, your music, and this is something you WANT to do, you do it. You work your shitty ass job and you come home and you groove the fuck out, and you do it on weekends, because that is something YOU WANT TO DO, not because its going to bring you money, or whatever the fuck measuring stick you are supposed to measure yourself with in the capitalist system. Oh whaaa, life is so tough, I don't get paid. Too fucking bad, life is not fair. And has it ever been? Point to one time where its been easy or you didn't have to work hard for something. That's life! Don't bitch about it. Everyone has to work unless they are a trust fund baby. And the more fulfilling your job is, GUESS WHAT!!! The less you get paid, and the more you have to work your ass off to get there. So you can just sit there and flip everyone off and bitch about how the world around you sucks NOW (as opposed to before? lol), or you can take advantage of the new opportunities to get your shit out, to make people groove, to make them feel your music, just like you do. I mean isn't that what its all about? Sure, its not easy. And you can talk to people who 'have made it' in the music bidness, and they can tell you that they barely scrape by for the most part, nobody is rich, BUT they FUCKING LOVE IT. That's why they do it, that's what drives them, they would not give it up for the world. If they had to dig shit for a living, they would do it, so when they come home they can get their headphones on and lose themselves in it! You have two choices: get bitter and hateful and a fucking dick to everyone... or you can see the world for what it IS, take the good with the bad, and adapt. Learn how to get out of it what you want, and make sacrifices to get there. anyway...hahaha... Saturday morning cartoons for me. ;)
quoted 108 lines From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net>>From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Downloading music >Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 10:56:31 -0500 > >It's Saturday morning and I don't watch cartoons, so: > >on 1/18/03 10:00 AM, Z Moser at roachgod69@hotmail.com wrote: > > > 1. Almost everyone I know that makes or promotes music in anyway has a > > day job, and makes a net total of zero dollars on their music. They all >make > > music because they love music. > >1. Nearly all the albums I have purchased with the exception of a very few >are by people who perform and record music for a living, or attempt to. But >yeah, the people I KNOW all have day jobs - funny that! Of course none of >them would ever DREAM of making enough money from music that they could >QUIT >doing SHITTY day jobs - that would be some kind of HORRIBLE CAPITALIST >EVIL! > > > 1a. The reasons behind this are many. The current system in place to > > distribute and promote music is one of the main problems though. > >1a. Vague muttering > > > 2. In the current system people, for the most part, buy hype, not music. > >2. Then they come home, put it in the CD player, and say 'WTF? This isn't >HYPE! This is like a song I heard on the radio! GOD DAMMIT!!' > > > 3. The ability to download music does 2 things. > > > 3a. It relatively levels the playing field. The bedroom producer, or > > garage band can now reach as many people as Britney Spears. Word of >mouth > > becomes more powerful than it has ever been in the history of man. > >3a. This is a nice theory. But somehow I have failed to discover the P2P >network where this is true. And what's the advantage of reaching so many >millions of people if none of them gives enough of a shit to pay for the >privilege? > > > 3b. It ups the anty. With so many artist out there to choose from no > > longer can individuals rely on hype such as paid off reviewers, huge > > marketing schemes, and a few songs played on the radio or video station. >The > > artists have to, as they say, shit or get off the pot. > >3b. So now everyone has to choose based on -here we go- FREE REVIEWS ON >FREE >WEBSITES! WITH FREE PIRATE RADIO! etc. etc. THANK GOD THERE'S SO MANY >FUCKING DEVOTED HOBBYISTS OUT THERE SUPPORTING MY NEED TO NOT PAY FOR >ANYTHING EVER EXCEPT THE CABLE MODEM because hey dude guess what I got a >day >job I don't have time to listen to all this crap myself > > > 4. Redistribution of wealth, and toppling of corporate hierarchies. A > > negative side effect for some is this will lower the amount of money >coming > > in. This is a natural side effect of a market growing becoming wider. >People > > have more to choose from so they can more easily satisfy their personal > > taste. On the other hand many of the bedroom producers that never >expected > > to make a cent off their music can now start making a small income of >their > > music, through new systems like paypal. > >And every other month I can post a story about how my parents got sick or >the taxman made me eat it or my car broke down and beg for extra cash from >my loving listeners. I SUCK YO DICK FO A QUARTER! Dignity is a privilege of >the CAPITALIST PIG. People have more to choose from? My local mall record >store still has better selection than most P2P services, and with Amazon + >AB-CD + FE I have P2P beaten hands down. > > > 5a. Systems like paypay also cut out the middle man, allowing the artist > > to see more of the money thereby lowering the cost of music for the > > consumer. > >How does the cost get any lower than 'Free?' Does PayPal help cover the >cost >of production? Can I make you pay me without begging? Does the musician get >anything besides a nice warm fuzzy at the end of the day after going >through >all this to let you hear their music free of charge? > > > I think that is all I have to say...Oh yeah one more thing. Music is the > > one of the only mediums you are expected to buy without sampling to see >if > > you like it first. > >NEWS FLASH - RADIO BROADCASTS MUSIC TO LISTENERS >Top 40, Urban, Jazz, AC and 'College' formats planned >MTV, VH1, BET, etc: "This is just like what we do, without pictures!" > >CD STORES PLAN 'LISTENING STATIONS' >Used CDs, featured New Releases and now ANYTHING WITH A BARCODE available >for 'previewing' - NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE > >Enough of this. I hope DJ Shadow gets a laugh. (roachgod69? HA HA HAA HA >HA) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-01-18 18:49svinlife aint fair because we let them fuck with us thats why creative work doesnt pay and big
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life aint fair because we let them fuck with us thats why creative work doesnt pay and big money are made through criminal domination and corruption viseriously, more i think about it more i feel that violence is the answer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-18 20:04seeklektekFrom: "svin" Subject: Re: [idm] Downloading music > life aint fair because we let them fuc
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From: "svin" Subject: Re: [idm] Downloading music
quoted 7 lines life aint fair because we let them fuck with us> life aint fair because we let them fuck with us > thats why creative work doesnt pay and big money > are made through criminal domination and > corruption > > viseriously, more i think about it more i feel > that violence is the answer
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Salvor Hardin Build a solid Foundation. Believe in yourself, not 'them'. .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-18 23:42ben gill> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - > Salvor Hardin Replace 'violence' w
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quoted 2 lines "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." -> "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - > Salvor Hardin
Replace 'violence' with 'this list' and you're right on. Or better yet, 'a post that replies solely with 2 quotes and no thought.' Or even better, 'a post that responds to a post with 2 quotes and no thought.' Sorry, I'm just looking for a fight b/c I know Seek to be inept. Cheers, Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 03:52EggyToastAt 12:04 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: >From: "svin" >Subject: Re: [idm] Downloading musi
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At 12:04 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
quoted 15 lines From: "svin">From: "svin" >Subject: Re: [idm] Downloading music > > > > life aint fair because we let them fuck with us > > thats why creative work doesnt pay and big money > > are made through criminal domination and > > corruption > > > > viseriously, more i think about it more i feel > > that violence is the answer > >"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Salvor Hardin > >Build a solid Foundation. Believe in yourself, not 'them'.
I don't know man. "them" is actually us. Corporations are made up of people that you see every day, some of which are probably family and friends. Of course, being a conspiracy theorist isn't as fun when you realize that you're as much of the conspiracy as anyone. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 04:01svinwhen you pull a calculator and some concentration you can easily figure major cash flows a
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when you pull a calculator and some concentration you can easily figure major cash flows and ways they are constructed who gets what is quite clear its not going to be me, you or our fellow citizens employed by corporations, who get breadcrumbs and often thrown away if not needed the way major cash flows are set up is not even a legal way but something super rich can get away with using money i wouldnt even bother to point out specefics- we all know it __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 20:09Mike Brownsvin wrote: > when you pull a calculator and some concentration > you can easily figure ma
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svin wrote:
quoted 16 lines when you pull a calculator and some concentration> when you pull a calculator and some concentration > you can easily figure major cash flows and ways > they are constructed > > who gets what is quite clear > > its not going to be me, you or our fellow > citizens employed by corporations, who get > breadcrumbs and often thrown away if not needed > > the way major cash flows are set up is not even a > legal way but something super rich can get away > with using money > > i wouldnt even bother to point out specefics- > we all know it
and the best part is- there are legions of people who subscribe to the view that the super-rich must know something everyone else doesn't. "they earned it", "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps", etc., and they consider svin's attitude to be deeply cynical. and there's an inexplicable feeling of entitlement among the rich, themselves, people who more often than not either got money for nothing (investments, favored appointments, inheritance) or whose idea of "working hard" means getting an mba and learning how to run a business from a spreadsheet and on the golf course and in smoke-filled boardrooms. they might throw the rest of us laborers a bone until the shareholders apply some pressure, at which point we're the first to get the proverbial shaft. all philosophies about the role of art and aesthetics in society and commerce aside, the fact that this feeling of entitlement extends to musicians who expect a handful of creative works to generate income for themselves and their families in perpetuity, simply based on the fact that there are people who appreciate the music, and not based on commercial exploitation of it, is just further evidence of how blind & numb we have become to the absurdity & cruelty of a system that, over time, only rewards the most ruthless of opportunists. look at the recent eldred vs ashcroft supreme court decision to see this in action. and then there's the hipocrisy of feeling entitled to vast amounts of money for producing music that is heavily influenced by the works of people who composed their music without concern for monetary gain. one of the things that made the inspirational foundation for this list, richard d. james, so remarkable was that he had multiple albums worth of creative compositions ready to go before digeridoo was even close to being a "hit". it was his prerogative (and right, protected by copyright law and international convention) to license material to r&s, sire, or to put it out with his mates through rephlex, for whatever benefits that would reap. that's the step he had to take in order to *try* to get income from the reproduction and distribution of his work for private listening. he was neither guaranteed of nor entitled to financial success when he did this. the fact that once his music was in the wild, it would be traded among individuals without involving money or his consent, is a reality he must have accepted. despite this "piracy", he and his label partners knew that there would people who would, for one reason or another, pay for a nice record or cd, so to some extent, they held the art for ransom and were rewarded for it. good for them. so they didn't get to squeeze a few more pennies out of the would-be pirates that would've opted to buy a new copy or just make do without; so what. yes, it's too bad for the artists that the labels don't have the grip on reproduction and distribution that they used to, but even when they did have complete control over recorded music, things were no better for the lesser-known artists. until the songwriters and artists formed associations like ascap, bmi, etc., labels would blatantly rip off each other's repertoires -- a small label would put out a good song by some unknown, and before it could even chart there'd be a cover of it by a more popular artist, on a more powerful label, all over the radio. once this activity was curbed, the radio payola and top-heavy royalty-collection schemes started up. you could play underground artists all day long but no matter how much you pay in royalties, it all goes to the more popular artists. the little ones get shafted, and whose fault is it every time... the big greedy labels, the music mafia, the corporations with dollar signs in their eyeballs, the people who will sell you sand in the desert and tell you you're a thief if you scoop up a handful, yourself. they're the ones selling you on the idea that just one certain kind of art comes with all these entitlements of revenue "for the artist". don't forget they tried to muscle in on the used cd market, saying every secondhand record shop was "robbing the artists" of money they deserved. they want a cut of every ebay transaction, every burned cd, every mp3 transmission, all in the name of "the artists" when really they just want to take the money for themselves. they'll throw the artists a bone just to employ them as their dupes. artists who think they're struggling and being shafted by pirates should take svin's advice and look at where the money really goes. Mike -- Denver, Colorado, USA http://hyperreal.org/~mike/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 04:10Adam PiontekOn Saturday 18 January 2003 10:52 pm, EggyToast wrote: > At 12:04 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you
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On Saturday 18 January 2003 10:52 pm, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 11 lines At 12:04 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:> At 12:04 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Salvor Hardin > > > >Build a solid Foundation. Believe in yourself, not 'them'. > > I don't know man. "them" is actually us. Corporations are made up > of people that you see every day, some of which are probably family > and friends. > > Of course, being a conspiracy theorist isn't as fun when you realize > that you're as much of the conspiracy as anyone.
Well, this is all getting far away from music downloading, but, screw it. Regardless of whether or not you see yourself as part of the musical-military-industrial-complex**, once you've recognized its existence, if you don't like it, what can you do about it? The best strategy I've come upon is to do the best I can to live my life as I wish other people would live theirs. In my case that has meant withdrawing support from corporations as best I can and trying to work against trends in my nation and society with which I disagree. I'm still new at it, myself, but I'm slowly learning. Corporations and other organizations may be made up of people, but they tend to obtain a mind of their own and run away with it... All those friends and family who work for corporations would be immediately hurt by suddenly outlawing corporations - no jobs! - but I don't think people are so stupid that they'd just sit around, do nothing, and starve to death. There are other ways. Better checks, balances, and other rules should be built into the system. It's what our constitution does, but does it go far enough? Maybe we should have wealth caps? I dunno... but I do like the books of Kim Stanley Robinson. _Gold Coast_ is probably his best. **yes, "musical military industrial complex" is a joke (kind of), but the rest of this post isn't... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 04:53ben gillin voice of Ian Curtis: "obfuscation.....obfuscaaatiooonn. Obfuscation." > Better checks,
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in voice of Ian Curtis: "obfuscation.....obfuscaaatiooonn. Obfuscation."
quoted 3 lines Better checks, balances, and other rules should be> Better checks, balances, and other rules should be > built into the > system.
Not that I think you're intentionally saying this to be obscure, I mean, everyone uses political jargon, as we hear it all the time; but what the fuck does this refer to? Sorry for obvious lack of IDM content (as we all should be. Or maybe I just want to say "Hitler" in a really bad way to prevent another 100+ vapid posts from accruing in my mailbox overnight). Ben PS regarding a totally unrelated previous post: who gives a rat's ass about "net grammar" anyway? Lead by example, not by wasting a valuable post to this valuable list. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 05:02Adam PiontekOn Saturday 18 January 2003 11:53 pm, ben gill wrote: > in voice of Ian Curtis: > "obfusca
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On Saturday 18 January 2003 11:53 pm, ben gill wrote:
quoted 11 lines in voice of Ian Curtis:> in voice of Ian Curtis: > "obfuscation.....obfuscaaatiooonn. Obfuscation." > > > Better checks, balances, and other rules should be > > built into the > > system. > > Not that I think you're intentionally saying this to > be obscure, I mean, everyone uses political jargon, as > we hear it all the time; but what the fuck does this > refer to?
I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything - I was just trying to get across the general idea that society runs on laws, and people can change the laws. I followed that by giving one example: the idea of wealth caps. I was trying to sum up reams of ideas in one sentence because I didn't want to open a barrel of worms about how best to change the laws to make the world a better place. And I still don't.
quoted 4 lines Sorry for obvious lack of IDM content (as we all> Sorry for obvious lack of IDM content (as we all > should be. Or maybe I just want to say "Hitler" in a > really bad way to prevent another 100+ vapid posts > from accruing in my mailbox overnight).
I'm confused about the reference to Hitler - are you suggesting that people who would like to work democratically to change and create laws are comparable to Hitler? On second thought, don't answer that. I'm sure that's not what you meant, and I don't really care what you did mean. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 15:46EggyToast>I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything - I was just trying to get across >the general idea
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quoted 3 lines I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything - I was just trying to get across>I wasn't trying to obfuscate anything - I was just trying to get across >the general idea that society runs on laws, and people can change the >laws. I followed that by giving one example: the idea of wealth caps.
The problem with wealth caps is that americans are notorious for thinking they are much richer than they are. People who make 80k a year will vote and petition as if they were the super-upper class, when the majority of "super-upper class" reform doesn't affect them. People will spend money as if they made an extra 20k a year, putting themselves in debt, yet vote and think they are actually making that extra money. When the people who benefit not at all support tax reform that screws them over, thinking that they're affected by a tax cut that only affects people who can live entirely on investment dividends without ever working again, we gots problems :) derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 17:01svinit is a known "law" of what used to be known as a usenet discassion- that hitler's name is
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it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a usenet discassion- that hitler's name is going to be mentioned at the certain point in the discussion it is a law of nature take it or leave it))) or a work of some demon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 17:55Brett DietschOn Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 12:01 PM, svin wrote: > it is a known "law" of what used t
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On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 12:01 PM, svin wrote:
quoted 9 lines it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a> it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a > usenet discassion- > > that hitler's name is going to be mentioned at > the certain point in the discussion > > it is a law of nature take it or leave it))) > > or a work of some demon
i was temped to post a message with nothing but HITLER on thursday to the thread that all of this started from. :-D --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 17:46seeklektekFrom: "svin" > it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a > usenet discassion- > th
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From: "svin"
quoted 6 lines it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a> it is a known "law" of what used to be known as a > usenet discassion- > that hitler's name is going to be mentioned at > the certain point in the discussion > it is a law of nature take it or leave it))) > or a work of some demon
And, theoretically, the mention of ~that~ name ends any particular thread where and when ~it~ is invoked: Godwin's Law: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/Godwin's-Law.html And more: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ HTH .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org