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2003-01-18 19:03ben gill [idm] all this wank about the use/future of labels, what direction to go for the future, etc.
2003-01-19 00:01Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire Re: [idm] all this wank about the use/future of labels, what direction to go for the future, etc.
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2003-01-18 19:03ben gillsolution: Irdial records http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutmusic/toptens/irdial.shtml this article
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solution: Irdial records http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutmusic/toptens/irdial.shtml this article seems to outline a very insightful stance on every issue raised in the last 24 hours on the list. I don't know what's up with Irdial's site, however, as it seems to be under construction or to have disappeared completely....probably due to that "conet project" and its implications.... Ben --- Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:
quoted 238 lines Let me get this straight.> > Let me get this straight. > > > > 1) Label tries to make money selling CDs. > > > > 2) Internet gets invented. People start trading > > files over the > > internet. It's a lot of trouble finding the music > > that you want, and > > it's a pain ripping CDs, but a lot of people > prefer > > downloading music > > to buying CDs because it's so much cheaper (free). > > > > 3) Labels complain that people aren't buying what > > they're selling, throw > > up hands in frustration. > > > > So, if customers prefer the convenience and > > cheapness of digital music, > > and aren't buying so many CDs, why not provide > what > > the customers want? > > > > Emusic seems to have been doing all right. I > would > > think a label with a > > relatively OK back catalog and a good reputation > > would stand to have > > some good success with a cheap subscription > service > > where we can go > > purchase access to a server and download the music > > straight from the > > label. > > > > OK, once it's downloaded, people could still trade > > it and avoid spending > > the money, but there are still a lot of people > > (like, non-college > > students, for one) who do not have the time or the > > energy to go > > searching for music they want on file servers and > > P2P networks. It's > > not easy. You rarely actually find what you want. > > > Most of the stuff > > on P2P networks, even the good ones like Soulseek, > > is crap, often even > > poorly encoded. > > > > So I still think the one thing that no decent > label > > has tried is a music > > subscription service. Charge money to give people > > access to your back > > catalog in good, high quality digital music files. > > > I suppose the > > problem then would be if servers and bandwidth > prove > > to be just as > > expensive as (or more expensive than) pressing > > CDs... but as noted > > above, eMusic seems to do OK. The service only > > needs to be cheaper > > than CDs, and more convenient than the P2P > networks. > > And not require > > weird software and all sorts of digital rights > > stuff. > > > > As long as it's more convenient thant he P2P > stuff, > > and cheaper than > > CDs, there's the sweet spot, and people who want > the > > music will flock > > to it. I know I would. I spent quite a bit on > > eMusic getting a lot of > > the good stuff they offer. > > > > I seem to recall some Ninja Tune stuff was > available > > there for a short > > while, only to be pulled, with some rumors about > > Ninja Tune looking > > into offering their own download service - which > > doesn't appear to have > > happened. I got some stuff while it was on eMusic > - > > that was nice. > > But I haven't found it worth my money to spend > full > > CD prices on more > > Ninja Tune stuff, as the Ninja Tune sound > generally > > isn't my ball of > > wax. > > > > Yeah, that was supposed to be a short single > > paragraph thing, but turned > > into a long rant. So why aren't there label > > subscription services? > > Seems to me some of the bigger indies would stand > to > > make a bundle, > > maybe... Buying cheap Ogg files straight from > your > > websites would be > > worth it over trying to find the stuff on P2P > > networks. > > > > Especially for those of us who run alternative > > Operating Systems on > > which the best programs like SoulSeek don't even > > run... > > -Adam Piontek > > > > On Friday 17 January 2003 6:20 pm, Jeff/Ninja Tune > > wrote: > > > I want to know where I can get CD's made for > $.25. > > Sign me up. I'd be > > > making a whole lot more money with that kind of > > manufacturing. > > > > > > This argument pisses me off. Fuck, after all the > > manufacturing, > > > pre-production, marketing cost, tour support, > > shipping costs, > > > overhead, paying the artist royalties (cause > we're > > crazy like that), > > > mechanical royalties, etc... we're not exactly > > killing it on the > > > margins. We make a bit, artist makes a bit, > store > > makes a bit, > > > distributor makes a bit. Is 15.98 list really so > > high (the list on > > > our titles). What do you pay to eat a good meal > at > > a restaurant? How > > > many drinks do you get at a bar for that? What > do > > you spend for an > > > average evening out? Let's face it. The whole > > argument exists because > > > music is easily downloaded for free so all of a > > sudden there is a > > > comparative value attached to it. "Fuck it I can > > get it for free, so > > > I'm clearly being ripped off when I pay for it". > > > > > > I think the music industry is fucking sketchy as > > all hell also, but > > > I've managed to carve out a comfortable living > for > > myself and our > > > artists where I don't have to subscribe to most > of > > that bullshit that > > > swirls around. I agree with a lot of what's > being > > said here, but a > > > lot of you got a lot of learning to do in the > > field of economics and > > > the fact that this current mess could cause a > > nasty trickle down > > > effect to the artist/labels you actually like. > I'm > > already having > > > trouble getting as many records out there as I'd > > like to because most > > > of the stores are struggling and the budgets > just > > aren't there right > > > now for a lot of stores to take chances on the > > smaller/interesting > > > shit. The irony being that that's the stuff > that's > > selling right now > > > as it's supported by dedicated fans, but that's > > the situation. At the > > > end of the day, a lot of people will probably be > > fucked in the > > > transition, but it's a billion dollar industry > > that isn't going away > > > it's just going to change up a bit in how it > > operates. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > From: "Patrick Norris" > > <untitledartist@hotmail.com> > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:16:35 -0500 > > > > To: IDM@hyperreal.org > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music > > Industry Dies - Wired > > > > Magazine, 2/2003 > > > > > > > >> Fucking $18 for a CD that cost 25 cents to > > produce in mass > > > >> quantities? > > > > > > > > Maybe I seem like a Bastard here, but, there > > only 25 cents for a > > > > c.d. if you pay the artist no money for his > time > > and work and any > > > > extra engineers or mastering engineers gotta > eat > > too. Your paying > > > > everyone who helped bring the disk to you, At > > least consider that. > > > > Many of my freinds are engineers at studios > > around the states and > > > > they don't make shit as it is...but yeah just > > let 'em starve. > > > > 'Cause you know the Label CEO's, they ain't > > gonna take pay-cuts. I > > > > don't think $ 18 is cool either but when you > > refuse to pay, you > > > > aint hurting the millionaire major label > heads, > > you're hurtin' > > > > freinds of mine.... > > > > > > > > I'm sure I'll get a severe tongue lashing for > > even mentioning this > > > > > > > > P > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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2003-01-19 00:01Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire> solution: Irdial records > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutmusic/toptens/irdial.shtml > > th
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quoted 10 lines solution: Irdial records> solution: Irdial records > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutmusic/toptens/irdial.shtml > > this article seems to outline a very insightful stance > on every issue raised in the last 24 hours on the > list. I don't know what's up with Irdial's site, > however, as it seems to be under construction or to > have disappeared completely....probably due to that > "conet project" and its implications....
Can't wait till I'm "famous" enough to brag like that. Where's this "Storm" by InSync on mp3? I'd like to hear it then. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-19 21:03Mike BrownAndrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire wrote: > Can't wait till I'm "famous" enou
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Andrew Hime II - Andrew Hime's Revenge, Esquire wrote:
quoted 2 lines Can't wait till I'm "famous" enough to brag like that. Where's th> Can't wait till I'm "famous" enough to brag like that. Where's this "Storm" > by InSync on mp3? I'd like to hear it then.
Their site is now at http://www.irdial.com/ Anyone who hasn't checked it out, I strongly suggest doing so. http://www.irdial.com/catfix.htm is where they were distributing from, but it currently points you to some mirror sites. http://1104.ca/a2twelve/ (mp3s) http://home.r107.co.uk/a212/ (mp3s, but via m3u links) I'll go ahead and put it up temporarily at http://music.hyperreal.org/tmp/irdial/ and I'll throw in a better recording of "Subway Route" as well. If anyone from Irdial is monitoring this list, contact me please. Mike -- Denver, Colorado, USA http://hyperreal.org/~mike/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org