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yo fuck all this trivial arguing. this list is about music, so people should shut the fuck up with this off-topic bs. you're not going to change anyone's minds. talk about music. some new releases you could be talking about instead of PLUR: CD Squadron Compilation on Merck Records a solid, solid compilation issued by the Mercenary crew of the MIA. . MD, Brothom States, Fizzarum, Lackluster, Salice, Syndrone, Lexaunwho?, all turn out tracks grounded in classic IDM, but fresh enough that they have their own voice. . international cast of idm playas. 12"s Le Syndicat Electronique on Invasion Planete the new sound of France. 3 12"s of dope, dope electro, from this new label from Toulouse, from I-F like jams, to dopplereffekt analog sequences, to hard-ass electro that mixes perfectly with the latest VMAX 12" out of Detroit. i think Formic is about one of the last places to find all 3 three of these. . 12" Frost Jockey vol 2 on planet mu like the press release said: Autechre meets Dopplereffekt. harsh, dense atmospheres get infiltrated with electro drum patterns to make for one of the best releases on paradinas' label in a long time. -jeffery --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

hi all - ok, i'm going to try and get this forum back on the right track - here's some stuff we got in recently that we suggest checking out: ulrich schnauss: far away trains passing by (city centre offices) http://www.city-centre-offices.de dabrye: one/three (ghostly international) http://www.ghostly.com various artists: super post electronica 1 (+cross) http://www.f5f5dc.net/cross/cross_.htm various artists: try again (tsunami addiction) http://www.tsunami-addiction.com limp: orion (morr music) http://www.morrmusic.com/ anybody got any of these? what do you think? o. This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 17 lines ulrich schnauss: far away trains passing by (city centre offices)

> ulrich schnauss: far away trains passing by (city centre offices) > http://www.city-centre-offices.de > > dabrye: one/three (ghostly international) > http://www.ghostly.com > > various artists: super post electronica 1 (+cross) > http://www.f5f5dc.net/cross/cross_.htm > > various artists: try again (tsunami addiction) > http://www.tsunami-addiction.com > > limp: orion (morr music) > http://www.morrmusic.com/ > > > anybody got any of these? what do you think?

not familiar with all these releases, but Ulrich schnauss is excellent!!! i think it's different from the current stuff, maybe a bit simple, but beautiful. s. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines dabrye: one/three (ghostly international)

> dabrye: one/three (ghostly international) > http://www.ghostly.com

I like this release alot...very nice, warm hiphop flavored stuff, not glitchy stuff, but not entirely straight-forward. - cutups --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 6 lines dabrye: one/three (ghostly international)

> >dabrye: one/three (ghostly international) >http://www.ghostly.com > >anybody got any of these? what do you think? >

I'm really into this 12...looking forward to his, release on Scott Herren's new label, Eastern Developments http://www.easterndevelopments.com

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As opposed to my normal reactive stance, I am proposing a new topic of discussion, related to my recent less IDM- more rock/pop listening habits... As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent to you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures approximating reality most of the time, or are they pictures of living on a space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)? And how do these pictures relate to one another, as in listening to your favorite music at work - does work get better or worse once you take your headphones off? etc. bedtime Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 12:21 AM 10/10/2002 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 11 lines As opposed to my normal reactive stance, I am proposing a new topic of

>As opposed to my normal reactive stance, I am proposing a new topic of >discussion, related to my recent less IDM- more rock/pop listening habits... > >As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent to >you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures >approximating reality most of the time, or are they pictures of living on a >space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)? > >And how do these pictures relate to one another, as in listening to your >favorite music at work - does work get better or worse once you take your >headphones off?

I guess I'm a pretty auditory person, as I've never assumed music to take on the form of pictures. It always just stays music in my head, often triggering other music thoughts, making me think in music. Sometimes I think that a particular scene would go along well with the music, but the scenes are usually an afterthought and ultimately quite simple (nothing like a mental ganz graft). derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- kills germs on contact --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines of sleep meds, and on in particular, ambien, turned on

> of sleep meds, and on in particular, ambien, turned on > my synaesthetic tendencies fully... to the extent that

Yeah! Ambien was the Shizzo. Except it never really fixed the sleeping issue. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent

> As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent

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quoted 2 lines you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures

> you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures > approximating reality most of the time, or are they pictures of living on

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quoted 1 line space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)?

> space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)?

Great topic. I don't imagine pictures in my head, actually. I look around. All the pictures i can possibly think of are already here. To give you an example, yesterday i was taking my girlfriend home, and we were listening to manual's "as the moon spins". It was pretty weird because the both of us thought, at the same time, how "into the environment" that track was. It was raining, and we could see the sun behind the trees (no rainbow, though). Just the sun rays between the folliage, while rain fell into the ground, constantly. Music has the amazing ability to make you more aware of certain things. Or at least, to make them more enjoyable. If i get an album playing, and that album means something, in terms of feelings, i instantly feel like listening to all of it, just waiting to see where it takes me. Thats one of the most important reasons why i can't stop listening to múm and sigur rós, lately.

quoted 3 lines And how do these pictures relate to one another, as in listening to your

> And how do these pictures relate to one another, as in listening to your > favorite music at work - does work get better or worse once you take your > headphones off?

Ahh, working. I can't work without music. I'm not saying i get more productive (I probably don't, because i end up humming with the music, and singing lyrics, and... uhh yeah), but it sure makes it much more enjoyable, so... headphones on. Once again, great topic. It'll be interesting to read other people's views on this. Laters Frederico Oliveira Enough Records // enoughrecords.com_ Stylevictim // stylevictim.com_ np: Sigur rós - ( ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i have weird and indescribable colorshapes i guess that relate to the sounds i.m listening to ,a kind of depth and roundness determined by the sound. for instance ,if its a guitar i.m listening to ,something about the way a cleanly overdriven lower note rings out makes me think of a bubble expanding ,but a solid bubble ,like a sphere (i.m listening to a superchunk record right now and that.s what it makes me think of)...when i make my own music ,i sort of try and compose to the shapes i want to feel ,also the nice thing about digital processes is that you can suprise yourself so often with new combinations of sounds and then pursue what.s interesting ,so sometimes you end up building this whole place you didn.t know was in your head...music is so fantastickle. d: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"Music has become a symbolic language of the unconscious mind whose symbolism we shall never be able to fathom." "A word does not mean the same thing to one person as to another, only the tune says the same thing, awakens the feeling, in both - though that feeling may not be expressed in the same words." - mendelssohn from "Music and the Mind" kaiser np: blue skied an' clear

This is an interesting topic. But it's all to easy to dip into armchair psychology, as the first quote here indicates:

quoted 2 lines "Music has become a symbolic language of the unconscious mind whose symbolism

> "Music has become a symbolic language of the unconscious mind whose symbolism > we shall never be able to fathom."

attempts to produce logical symbolism that explain the "meaning" of music, or other arts, have been fraught with difficulties. mainly these difficulties stem from the "fact" that we can understand music without being aware of these complicated symbolisms that philosophers/musicologists produce, indicating that our understanding really consists of something else. how can we have a *language* of the unconscious? how can we express what we are unaware of?

quoted 3 lines "A word does not mean the same thing to one person as to another, only the

> "A word does not mean the same thing to one person as to another, only the > tune says the same thing, awakens the feeling, in both - though that feeling > may not be expressed in the same words." - mendelssohn

This is an especially interesting quote from mendelssohn. I find it bizzare that he thinks words do not mean the same thing to each individual. how then do we communicate? it often seems to me that the situation is just the opposite, it is music that says different things to different people, or even different things to the same person at different times. Someone else in the thread mentioned about how music highlights certain aspects of experience - listening to a song suggests a particular way of looking at a landscape for instance. But it is interesting why people often associate colours, textures or images with particular kinds of sounds. i wonder how these associations are related to past experiences when listening to the same/or similar pieces of music. i wonder if there is a systematic way of explaining that? ho-hum, Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I agree, this is an interesting topic. I would like to throw my own thinking out there. As far as imagry and emotions evoked by specific music, i think that the main factor influencing this is culture. Someone from a western culture(USA for example) would most likely have a similar response to someone from a similar western culture. However comparing someone frome the US to someone from say, Uganda would most likely begin to yield differences. However i think there are some properties of music that are universally recognized. BPM would be the first to come to mind. above 133 and i believe anyone would describe this as fast. This may have to do with the body's own rhythm of heartbeats which is usally less than 80 or 70 bpm.

quoted 8 lines Someone else in the thread mentioned about how music highlights

>Someone else in the thread mentioned about how music highlights >certain aspects of experience - listening to a song suggests a >particular way of looking at a landscape for instance. >But it is interesting why people often associate colours, textures or >images with particular kinds of sounds. i wonder how these >associations are related to past experiences when listening to the >same/or similar pieces of music. i wonder if there is a systematic >way of explaining that?

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You mean there are actually some relevant posts pertaining to list members' thoughts on MUSIC?!?!? How dare you! Don't you know that the IDM list is all about being ultra swank and cool? Anyway, this is somewhat related, but a bit off topic from the initial post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage of people who are able to describe tastes as geometric shapes. They interviewed this guy who was talking about how a certain taste, say, "sour", for example, tasted like triangles. Really strange, but I suppose it ties into that whole aesthetic of relating emotion to sound on some scatterbrained, mescaline trip type of level. Good stuff, this is what the list SHOULD be all about...my humble opinion of course... JS

quoted 42 lines From: "Robert Long" <cosmodrome@hotmail.com>

>From: "Robert Long" <cosmodrome@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Music >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:10:52 -0500 > >I agree, this is an interesting topic. I would like to throw my own >thinking out there. > >As far as imagry and emotions evoked by specific music, i think that the >main factor influencing this is culture. Someone from a western >culture(USA for example) would most likely have a similar response to >someone from a similar western culture. However comparing someone frome >the US to someone from say, Uganda would most likely begin to yield >differences. > >However i think there are some properties of music that are universally >recognized. BPM would be the first to come to mind. above 133 and i >believe anyone would describe this as fast. This may have to do with the >body's own rhythm of heartbeats which is usally less than 80 or 70 bpm. > > > > > >>Someone else in the thread mentioned about how music highlights >>certain aspects of experience - listening to a song suggests a >>particular way of looking at a landscape for instance. >>But it is interesting why people often associate colours, textures or >>images with particular kinds of sounds. i wonder how these >>associations are related to past experiences when listening to the >>same/or similar pieces of music. i wonder if there is a systematic >>way of explaining that? > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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The condition you refer to is called synesthesia and in reality isn't as strange as you may think. Although uncommon, it's actually a very natural brain process that simply gets sent to our internal record too early, from what I understand. I personally wish more research would be done in this field because I think we (as a species) have a lot to learn about the ways in which we observe and react to our surroundings, especially music-wise. A very concise chunk of info on this condition can be found at: http://wearcam.org/synesthesia/synesthesia_long.html italic.

quoted 72 lines You mean there are actually some relevant posts pertaining to list members'

>You mean there are actually some relevant posts pertaining to list members' >thoughts on MUSIC?!?!? How dare you! Don't you know that the IDM list is >all about being ultra swank and cool? > >Anyway, this is somewhat related, but a bit off topic from the initial >post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage of >people who are able to describe tastes as geometric shapes. They >interviewed this guy who was talking about how a certain taste, say, "sour", >for example, tasted like triangles. Really strange, but I suppose it ties >into that whole aesthetic of relating emotion to sound on some >scatterbrained, mescaline trip type of level. Good stuff, this is what the >list SHOULD be all about...my humble opinion of course... > >JS > > >>From: "Robert Long" <cosmodrome@hotmail.com> >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [idm] Music >>Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:10:52 -0500 >> >>I agree, this is an interesting topic. I would like to throw my own >>thinking out there. >> >>As far as imagry and emotions evoked by specific music, i think that the >>main factor influencing this is culture. Someone from a western >>culture(USA for example) would most likely have a similar response to >>someone from a similar western culture. However comparing someone frome >>the US to someone from say, Uganda would most likely begin to yield >>differences. >> >>However i think there are some properties of music that are universally >>recognized. BPM would be the first to come to mind. above 133 and i >>believe anyone would describe this as fast. This may have to do with the >>body's own rhythm of heartbeats which is usally less than 80 or 70 bpm. >> >> >> >> >> >>>Someone else in the thread mentioned about how music highlights >>>certain aspects of experience - listening to a song suggests a >>>particular way of looking at a landscape for instance. >>>But it is interesting why people often associate colours, textures or >>>images with particular kinds of sounds. i wonder how these >>>associations are related to past experiences when listening to the >>>same/or similar pieces of music. i wonder if there is a systematic >>>way of explaining that? >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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on 10/10/02 8:27 pm the person going by the name Jason Stickel at j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com spake :

quoted 8 lines Anyway, this is somewhat related, but a bit off topic from the initial

> Anyway, this is somewhat related, but a bit off topic from the initial > post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage of > people who are able to describe tastes as geometric shapes. They > interviewed this guy who was talking about how a certain taste, say, "sour", > for example, tasted like triangles. Really strange, but I suppose it ties > into that whole aesthetic of relating emotion to sound on some > scatterbrained, mescaline trip type of level. Good stuff, this is what the > list SHOULD be all about...my humble opinion of course...

Search for 'synaesthesia' [american spelling is 'synesthesia'] ... The Oxfored English Dictionary describes this as 'the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body'. I've met a few musicians who are affected by this psychological[1] condition, most commonly the 'see sound'. Each one describes it differently, some see tone and timbre as colour and shape, other's see melody as shape and colour and form, some even have sound hint at smells. I've experience music give me goose-bumps. One has to consider how the mind interprets sound. Whilst we may be able to identify the individual components of a piece of music to say 'Drums', 'Guitar', 'Voice' [ok not IDM] does the synaesthesic affect happen at a higher or lower brain level [IE before we understand the sound or after we understand the sound]. Similar crossing happen with numbers and colours or shapes and colours. Some people smell words. Some people have colours for the alphabet, and hues for words. Many many people recount that music will help them remember things the other way around, such as a song reminding you of a person, or a time or a place, or even use it to trigger memories for revision of school subjects. Why shouldn't these memories of shapes and colours be triggered by music? Like hallucinogenic drugs will bring these shapes and colours into your mind by power of association and letting you look at your mind to a deeper level. Have you ever been reminded of your childhood by the smell of freshly cut grass on a spring morning, or looked at something and had a memory brought back that seems unrelated. In many ways this all seems logical to me. We don't understand how the human mind works, and how we remember things. We have a good idea that our memories are vast, much vaster than what can be stored in a computer memory of equivalent size. But how we store memories, in what form, and whether they stay intact is another matter. Of course this also leads into the philosophy of interpretation, in that as soon as we experience something we memorise it, but that is a memory with our own subjective point of view, however so is our memory, and the associations with that memory will always be tainted by the subjectivity. It's why music is not just something we hear, but something we feel, because it is part of a whole experience that is there at the time of the event. Close your eyes and you hear the music, and feel the music and the temperature of the air, the slight glances of a draught round your neck and your bodies wellbeing and the state of the chemical balance in your mind [natural or unnatural] are all remembered in one way or another along with the music. My favourite quote on music is Leibniz : "Music is nothing but unconscious arithmetic" ... I'd argue with this heavily, but I still like it :) d. [1] possibly neuroglogical : see 'The man who mistook his wife for a hat' by Oliver Sacks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I'm glad everyone agrees that talking about Music is healthy and enjoyable. 1. On BPM, as Long brought up: Speed is actually REALLY relative. The infamous Chinese Opera is nothing compared to Korean folksongs. Korean folksongs are usually played in 3/4 time, and Korean moderato or midtempo is not based on heartbeat but on the speed of _relaxed breathing_. Thus it sounds almost completely beatless even though most of the instruments used in accompaniment are played percussively. Really amazing stuff, most westerners come away actually nauseated. I'd also like to point out that 133 is actually pretty slow for punk rockers. 2. On synaesthesia, I think everybody experiences this at some point. I'm interested in the near universality of certain descriptors for sounds and styles of music used in writing, esp. tactile adjectives. Rough, smooth, angular, fluid, hard, soft, gritty, thick, and so forth. I used to have a band director in college who said the perfect tone was 'purple' and made us tune and warm up until it got that way. I certainly associate certain sounds with colors and shapes, certainly not to the extent of the woman in the bbc article but evidently moreso than others. I could see myself getting into an argument over why Wedensday is not and never will be blue. Lastly, I want you all to know that I fully support regime change in Music, regardless of the economic situation. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

OOOH DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE I got an idea that's so cool it's impossible How about an audio editing sequencing/editing program that shows waveforms not as big fat spectrum graphs or amplitude envelopes but rather as a big long series of shapes and colors associated with sounds? Users could initally select a series of baseline colors and shapes according to sounds preset into the software- then the program applies the baselines to all input and floats in between the shapes/colors to create big pretty images. I'm CRAZY. And I'm a BIG HONKIN' GEEK. This is why I'm still on the list, really- so I can post this kind of ridiculousness when it hits and not worry about losing my real friends. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Metasynth is sort of an attempt to do this, and there have been others. The problem is that the visuals are a subjective interpretation of the sound and therefore you have to learn the programmers ideas. You could learn it, but better if it learnt your associations. I remember Matt Black [Coldcut] playing around with some synth software from Ircamm and some form of brain wave analyser about 6 years ago : I didn't hear what it produced unfortunately :( . I'd imagine that would be a whole lot cooler with the increased computing power we have now. The problem with computers as a whole is that the interfaces have become the only way we can think of using them. Composing music in a VR environment could be most interesting, for instance. Again this approaches some of the stuff coldcut have done live, where they use what looked like incredibly large theramins to control sounds, but rather than it being a hand controlling it, it's a dancer. The step on : an entire club where the music and visuals are a formative journey produced by the crowds own emotions and desires? Waffle waffle waffle

quoted 26 lines OOOH DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE

> OOOH DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE > > I got an idea that's so cool it's impossible > > How about an audio editing sequencing/editing program that shows waveforms > not as big fat spectrum graphs or amplitude envelopes but rather as a big > long series of shapes and colors associated with sounds? > > Users could initally select a series of baseline colors and shapes according > to sounds preset into the software- then the program applies the baselines > to all input and floats in between the shapes/colors to create big pretty > images. > > I'm CRAZY. And I'm a BIG HONKIN' GEEK. > > This is why I'm still on the list, really- so I can post this kind of > ridiculousness when it hits and not worry about losing my real friends. > > Tom > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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mouseONmars had a fantastic idea on their website before ,i.m not sure if its still there or not ,about their plan to build a club where the walls and floors and ceiling could pulse to the music ,respond to the beat like some video plugins can do these days ,changing colors and textures(? that would be insane ,if as the beat altered the floor morphed from concrete to wood?!?) and even temperature. definitely a long way off ,but a great concept. would be a hit as a club ,i.ll wager. d: --- Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com> wrote:

quoted 70 lines Metasynth is sort of an attempt to do this, and

> Metasynth is sort of an attempt to do this, and > there have been others. > > The problem is that the visuals are a subjective > interpretation of the sound > and therefore you have to learn the programmers > ideas. > > You could learn it, but better if it learnt your > associations. > > I remember Matt Black [Coldcut] playing around with > some synth software from > Ircamm and some form of brain wave analyser about 6 > years ago : I didn't > hear what it produced unfortunately :( . I'd imagine > that would be a whole > lot cooler with the increased computing power we > have now. > > The problem with computers as a whole is that the > interfaces have become the > only way we can think of using them. Composing music > in a VR environment > could be most interesting, for instance. Again this > approaches some of the > stuff coldcut have done live, where they use what > looked like incredibly > large theramins to control sounds, but rather than > it being a hand > controlling it, it's a dancer. > > The step on : an entire club where the music and > visuals are a formative > journey produced by the crowds own emotions and > desires? > > Waffle waffle waffle > > > OOOH DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE DUDE > > > > I got an idea that's so cool it's impossible > > > > How about an audio editing sequencing/editing > program that shows waveforms > > not as big fat spectrum graphs or amplitude > envelopes but rather as a big > > long series of shapes and colors associated with > sounds? > > > > Users could initally select a series of baseline > colors and shapes according > > to sounds preset into the software- then the > program applies the baselines > > to all input and floats in between the > shapes/colors to create big pretty > > images. > > > > I'm CRAZY. And I'm a BIG HONKIN' GEEK. > > > > This is why I'm still on the list, really- so I > can post this kind of > > ridiculousness when it hits and not worry about > losing my real friends. > > > > Tom > > > > > > >

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quoted 2 lines post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage of

> post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage of > people who are able to describe tastes as geometric shapes. They

I think I saw that too: a rare form of synaesthesia ~ the same thing Nabokov had that let him always associate very specific colors with different lettersounds. he talkes about this in the first section of 'speak, memory, his autobiography. Richard Feynman apparently saw the different elements of (written) formulae in different colors... My roommate's got an unusual form of this, certain sounds (e.g., whispered foreign languages she doesn't understand) literally paralyze her with ecstacy. She says she's ridden busses for half an hour after her stop, transfixed by that kind of sound...! ...aaron ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Check this out, "i can see the sounds" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1126524.stm _________________________________________________________________ Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Very nice topic. I am completely fascinated by what music is capable of as far as manipulating the mind and its' psychological effects. My particular goal as a musician is to tap into the feelings that don't have a name. To make your mind think of pictures and emotions that you cant describe. Achieving this is the hardest thing I've ever set out to do, and I'm far from the results I'd like. In my opinion, the subconcious is well stronger than most people give credit, and playing with it/manipulating it is really interesting to me. The music I most enjoy is something that I can associate with a great/terrible feeling, but not the typical "happy," "sad," "angry" sense. I'm more interested in music that pursues a different avenue. One obvious example would be the enourmous effect boards of canada have on some listeners. Most people struggle in describing what they feel when they listen to it, but they all agree that there's something there. I get this same feeling from music by wendy carlos, or robert emenegger. Some old david axelrod work, mahavishnu orchestra, stevie wonder... the list is endless. There's a lot more to music than generitive magical equation plugins and programming the most complex magical idm beats ever made. It has its' place in my book, but it lacks the power that the said artists have. The reason IDM lacks so much in my book is that people overlook this. IDM has sort of dumbed down over the years I think. Many artists fail to pursue anything or have a concept. Just making neat tracks. It's much more interesting to me to research synesthesia or things like brainwave synchronization. There's a lot you can do to manipulate listeners, and the tools to do so are endless these days. So to answer your question, sorry about all that nonsense, the images in my head when i'm making my own music are usually of memories i've had or places i've been. if not, they're usually just shapes and colors. usually the same with other people's music as well. it taps into the subconcious, and usually the pictures are reality based, but often places i've never been and people i've never met. time to go nerd out on music psychology, jonathan canupp ten and tracer www.tenandtracer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Millar" <tmillar@comcast.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: [idm] Music

quoted 2 lines As opposed to my normal reactive stance, I am proposing a new topic of

> As opposed to my normal reactive stance, I am proposing a new topic of > discussion, related to my recent less IDM- more rock/pop listening

habits...

quoted 2 lines As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent

> > As a listener (or composer) what does the music you most enjoy represent

to

quoted 2 lines you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures

> you? I'm talking about the pictures in your head. Are they pictures > approximating reality most of the time, or are they pictures of living on

a

quoted 17 lines space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)?

> space colony and piloting giant japanese robots (f'rinstance)? > > And how do these pictures relate to one another, as in listening to your > favorite music at work - does work get better or worse once you take your > headphones off? > > etc. > > bedtime > > Tom > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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> From: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com> > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:54:52 +0100 > Subject: Re: [idm] Music > > on 10/10/02 10:50 pm the person going by the name Thomas Millar at > tmillar@comcast.net spake : > >> 1. On BPM, as Long brought up: Speed is actually REALLY relative. The >> infamous Chinese Opera is nothing compared to Korean folksongs. Korean >> folksongs are usually played in 3/4 time, and Korean moderato or midtempo is >> not based on heartbeat but on the speed of _relaxed breathing_. Thus it >> sounds almost completely beatless even though most of the instruments used >> in accompaniment are played percussively. Really amazing stuff, most >> westerners come away actually nauseated. >> >> I'd also like to point out that 133 is actually pretty slow for punk >> rockers. > > I've got a tape of Sri Lankan drums somewhere which is just insane, as it's > not got any regular key signature. Are there other forms of music where this > is common?

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Excellent stuff...thanks for sharing with everyone. Again, THIS is what the list should be about - NOT how bad our President is...although I agree with a previous post pertaining to the importance of getting inside the mind of fellow music lovers and musicians. Thanks Muffin...

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>From: Muffin <muffin@signmytits.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Music >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:52:40 +0100 > >on 10/10/02 8:27 pm the person going by the name Jason Stickel at >j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com spake : > > > Anyway, this is somewhat related, but a bit off topic from the initial > > post...BUT, I recently read an article pertaining to a small percentage >of > > people who are able to describe tastes as geometric shapes. They > > interviewed this guy who was talking about how a certain taste, say, >"sour", > > for example, tasted like triangles. Really strange, but I suppose it >ties > > into that whole aesthetic of relating emotion to sound on some > > scatterbrained, mescaline trip type of level. Good stuff, this is what >the > > list SHOULD be all about...my humble opinion of course... > >Search for 'synaesthesia' [american spelling is 'synesthesia'] ... The >Oxfored English Dictionary describes this as 'the production of a sense >impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of >another sense or part of the body'. > >I've met a few musicians who are affected by this psychological[1] >condition, most commonly the 'see sound'. Each one describes it >differently, >some see tone and timbre as colour and shape, other's see melody as shape >and colour and form, some even have sound hint at smells. I've experience >music give me goose-bumps. One has to consider how the mind interprets >sound. Whilst we may be able to identify the individual components of a >piece of music to say 'Drums', 'Guitar', 'Voice' [ok not IDM] does the >synaesthesic affect happen at a higher or lower brain level [IE before we >understand the sound or after we understand the sound]. Similar crossing >happen with numbers and colours or shapes and colours. Some people smell >words. Some people have colours for the alphabet, and hues for words. > >Many many people recount that music will help them remember things the >other >way around, such as a song reminding you of a person, or a time or a place, >or even use it to trigger memories for revision of school subjects. Why >shouldn't these memories of shapes and colours be triggered by music? Like >hallucinogenic drugs will bring these shapes and colours into your mind by >power of association and letting you look at your mind to a deeper level. >Have you ever been reminded of your childhood by the smell of freshly cut >grass on a spring morning, or looked at something and had a memory brought >back that seems unrelated. > >In many ways this all seems logical to me. We don't understand how the >human >mind works, and how we remember things. We have a good idea that our >memories are vast, much vaster than what can be stored in a computer memory >of equivalent size. But how we store memories, in what form, and whether >they stay intact is another matter. Of course this also leads into the >philosophy of interpretation, in that as soon as we experience something we >memorise it, but that is a memory with our own subjective point of view, >however so is our memory, and the associations with that memory will always >be tainted by the subjectivity. > >It's why music is not just something we hear, but something we feel, >because >it is part of a whole experience that is there at the time of the event. >Close your eyes and you hear the music, and feel the music and the >temperature of the air, the slight glances of a draught round your neck and >your bodies wellbeing and the state of the chemical balance in your mind >[natural or unnatural] are all remembered in one way or another along with >the music. > >My favourite quote on music is Leibniz : "Music is nothing but unconscious >arithmetic" ... I'd argue with this heavily, but I still like it :) > >d. > >[1] possibly neuroglogical : see 'The man who mistook his wife for a hat' >by >Oliver Sacks > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 26 lines crush it on meeeeeeeeeeee

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