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2002-08-07 18:00Michael Price [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 18:07robert sinewave Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 18:14StaticBeats Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
└─ 2002-08-08 05:42Nintari Man Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 18:16Reading, John RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 21:51LotteCat Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 21:56StaticBeats Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 22:04Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-07 22:08StaticBeats Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-08 04:15le bad lt. [idm] Re: Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-08 09:48Paul Webb Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 03:15robert stanton Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
├─ 2002-08-09 03:39EggyToast Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
│ └─ 2002-08-09 04:48omz Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
└─ 2002-08-09 04:51String Theory Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 12:26... hellothisisalex ... Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 14:51robert stanton Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
├─ 2002-08-09 15:51dave_dunstan RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
├─ 2002-08-09 20:15Thomas Millar Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
└─ 2002-08-10 17:24wells Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 20:24Jason Stickel Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 20:41shift8 RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 21:02robert stanton RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-09 21:36Dave Dunstan Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-10 11:36adrian jonsson Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
└─ 2002-08-10 17:51pixilated RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
2002-08-11 07:54reak what Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
└─ 2002-08-12 23:42nethed Re: [idm] Prefuse 73/Nick Drake & copyright
└─ 2002-08-13 00:09henrik str.mberg Re: [idm] Prefuse 73/Nick Drake & copyright
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2002-08-07 18:00Michael PriceHas anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' running in the backgr
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Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' running in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the first time I heard it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. Michael D. Price mdprice1@speakeasy.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-07 18:07robert sinewavehad a discussion similar to this on the ninja board a while ago, when everyone complained
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had a discussion similar to this on the ninja board a while ago, when everyone complained about amon tobin in a coke commercial. my thing is this: it help scott w/ his future projects and label. that also means that one of those advertising jackasses actually listens to decent music. that's how i see it.
quoted 20 lines From: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net>>From: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:00:20 -0700 > >Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' >running >in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several >times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the first time I heard >it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. > >I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. > >Michael D. Price >mdprice1@speakeasy.net > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-07 18:14StaticBeatsSo that's who it is ! Damn, I knew I recognized that song. But I dont think it's foot lock
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So that's who it is ! Damn, I knew I recognized that song. But I dont think it's foot locker. I think it's those other guys - FootAction. But I could be wrong... Either way it's lame to hear such great music *only* in commercials. It's like, they recognize people will enjoy this music and associate some kind of feeling with it - like I want to drive, or I want to buy or I want to drink. But they don't recognize that people may want to hear and enjoy that feeling at other times. And dont even get me started with the Pontiac "Vibe", the Toyota "Matrix", the Mazda "Protege", the Ford "Focus" - You guys see a trend here? A friend of mine calls them cars for the rave generation. Follow the ads for these cars and it's as if the industry is just trying sooo hard to target a certain market. But you know what? > I drive 40 minutes to work every day down Highway 101 in San Francisco and I never ever see a 20 something person behind the wheel of any of those cars. Mainly older adults, families, and others of the non-rave generation. Bah ! Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
quoted 1 line Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno'> Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno'
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quoted 2 lines in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several> in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several > times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the first time I
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quoted 11 lines it and haven't seen any discussion of it here.> it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. > > I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. > > Michael D. Price > mdprice1@speakeasy.net > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-08 05:42Nintari ManYep! It makes perfect sense, though. Advertising is all about grabbing your attention, and
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Yep! It makes perfect sense, though. Advertising is all about grabbing your attention, and Prefuse definitely turns heads... On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, StaticBeats wrote:
quoted 5 lines Either way it's lame to hear such great music *only* in commercials.> Either way it's lame to hear such great music *only* in commercials. > It's like, they recognize people will enjoy this music and associate some > kind of feeling with it - like I want to drive, or I want to buy or I want > to drink. But they don't recognize that people may want to hear and enjoy > that feeling at other times.
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2002-08-07 18:16Reading, JohnI saw this too after someone mentioned it here. It's ok with me... It's a hiphoppy commerc
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I saw this too after someone mentioned it here. It's ok with me... It's a hiphoppy commercial and it is a different version of the track. I dunno.... It's not Nike.
quoted 54 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: robert sinewave [mailto:robertsinewave@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:08 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad > > > had a discussion similar to this on the ninja board a while ago, when > everyone complained about amon tobin in a coke commercial. > > my thing is this: it help scott w/ his future projects and > label. that > also means that one of those advertising jackasses actually > listens to > decent music. > > that's how i see it. > > > >From: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad > >Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:00:20 -0700 > > > >Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' > >running > >in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen > it several > >times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the > first time I heard > >it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. > > > >I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. > > > >Michael D. Price > >mdprice1@speakeasy.net > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-07 21:51LotteCathilarious ... the same holds true the 880 ... question: only 40 MINUTES on 101? you must b
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hilarious ... the same holds true the 880 ... question: only 40 MINUTES on 101? you must be commuting @ 4am or something & not be be a master of the obvious, but shouldn't Dirty Vegas get a mention for their spot in that Mitsu ad? ----- Original Message ----- From: "StaticBeats" <idm-list@staticbeats.com> To: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
quoted 14 lines So that's who it is !> So that's who it is ! > Damn, I knew I recognized that song. > But I dont think it's foot locker. I think it's those other guys - > FootAction. > But I could be wrong... > > Either way it's lame to hear such great music *only* in commercials. > It's like, they recognize people will enjoy this music and associate some > kind of feeling with it - like I want to drive, or I want to buy or I want > to drink. But they don't recognize that people may want to hear and enjoy > that feeling at other times. > > And dont even get me started with the Pontiac "Vibe", the Toyota "Matrix", > the Mazda "Protege", the Ford "Focus" - You guys see a trend here? A
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quoted 4 lines of mine calls them cars for the rave generation. Follow the ads for these> of mine calls them cars for the rave generation. Follow the ads for these > cars and it's as if the industry is just trying sooo hard to target a > certain market. But you know what? > I drive 40 minutes to work every day > down Highway 101 in San Francisco and I never ever see a 20 something
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quoted 38 lines behind the wheel of any of those cars. Mainly older adults, families, and> behind the wheel of any of those cars. Mainly older adults, families, and > others of the non-rave generation. > > Bah ! > > Shimone/Justes > http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:00 AM > Subject: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad > > > > Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' > running > > in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several > > times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the first time I > heard > > it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. > > > > I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. > > > > Michael D. Price > > mdprice1@speakeasy.net > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-07 21:56StaticBeatsTreasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute Foster City to Treasure Island = 60 - 9
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Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute Foster City to Treasure Island = 60 - 90 minute commute Either way it's music that makes the drive worthwhile. In the car now ? Einmo (sp?) album which is freekin amazing! Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture ----- Original Message ----- From: "LotteCat" <lottecat@sbcglobal.net> To: "StaticBeats" <idm-list@staticbeats.com>; "Michael Price" <mdprice1@speakeasy.net> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
quoted 3 lines hilarious ... the same holds true the 880 ... question: only 40 MINUTES on> hilarious ... the same holds true the 880 ... question: only 40 MINUTES on > 101? you must be commuting @ 4am or something >
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2002-08-07 22:04"kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com>> Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute > Foster City to Treasure Island = 60
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quoted 2 lines Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute> Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute > Foster City to Treasure Island = 60 - 90 minute commute
shimone lives on treasure island because he's a pirate. arrggh!! swab the deck! -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-07 22:08StaticBeatsKiya bid money on a pirate plank at auction ! Argh. Walk the plank Kiya. Stay away from my
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Kiya bid money on a pirate plank at auction ! Argh. Walk the plank Kiya. Stay away from my booty... errr... pirate treasure Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music > Digital Culture ----- Original Message ----- From: "kiya "i am a copier" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com> To: "idm list" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
quoted 15 lines Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute> > Treasure Island to Foster City = 40 minute commute > > Foster City to Treasure Island = 60 - 90 minute commute > > shimone lives on treasure island because he's a pirate. > arrggh!! > > swab the deck! > > -kiya > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-08 04:15le bad lt.until indy labels have the marketing budgets to generate the sales good records like uproc
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until indy labels have the marketing budgets to generate the sales good records like uprock narratives deserve and/or music consumers undergo a mass suggestion compelling them to purchase music that challenges as it gives pleasure, more power to cats like him who can make more loot than most of us make in a year off a thirty second spot and be able to spend more time doing what they do best - make more music. --le bad. "what izzit a blizzid?!" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-08 09:48Paul WebbShynola did that ad with some friends so i guess they may have commisioned scott's music.
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Shynola did that ad with some friends so i guess they may have commisioned scott's music. If you haven't seen their stuff before check out the promo's they've done recently for lambchop and unkle. www.shynola.co.uk Michael Price wrote:
quoted 19 lines Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' runnin>Has anyone noticed a slightly remixed version of Prefuse 73's 'Nuno' running >in the background of the latest Footlocker ads? I have seen it several >times in the last week or so. I couldn't believe it the first time I heard >it and haven't seen any discussion of it here. > >I am in LA, don't know if it is being broadcast nationally or not. > >Michael D. Price >mdprice1@speakeasy.net > > > > .. > .. > .. > .. .. . . .. . . . > > paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com >
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2002-08-09 03:15robert stantonSupporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my opinion. Even if you ar
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Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my opinion. Even if you are "just making money to make more music" you are also promoting the system which allows you, as well as many more and less talented music-makers, to be bought and sold like commodities by corporations who treat other human beings as "consumers" and view advertising and profit as more important than future human potential, reform, and the environment. To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive. If you are interested in these sorts of things, I would recommend reading Robert McChesney's "Rich Media, Poor Democracy: Communication Media in Dubious Times" for a much better perspective. Robert _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 03:39EggyToastAt 10:15 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme i
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At 10:15 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 9 lines Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my opinion.>Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my opinion. >Even if you are "just making money to make more music" you are also >promoting the system which allows you, as well as many more and less >talented music-makers, to be bought and sold like commodities by >corporations who treat other human beings as "consumers" and view >advertising and profit as more important than future human potential, >reform, and the environment. > >To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive.
Why? What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the detriment of everyone else? :ß I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're simply supporting bad music formats and the technology industry that creates speakers and cd players. n5md must be horrible, according to your reasoning, as they're so blatantly supporting sony technology. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 04:48omz>At 10:15 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme
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quoted 21 lines At 10:15 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:>At 10:15 PM 8/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my opinion. >>Even if you are "just making money to make more music" you are also >>promoting the system which allows you, as well as many more and >>less talented music-makers, to be bought and sold like commodities >>by corporations who treat other human beings as "consumers" and >>view advertising and profit as more important than future human >>potential, reform, and the environment. >> >>To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive. > >Why? What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to >the detriment of everyone else? :ß > >I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're >simply supporting bad music formats and the technology industry that >creates speakers and cd players. n5md must be horrible, according >to your reasoning, as they're so blatantly supporting sony >technology. > >derek
eggy i agree with you 100% more power to scott herren for getting that cash, AND getting his music heard by tons of people who would have never heard P73... i see nothing wrong with it -- :::my spine is the bassline::: ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 04:51String Theory"robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.com> writes: > Supporting any sort of modern adv
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quoted 7 lines Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my> Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my > opinion. Even if you are "just making money to make more music" you > are also promoting the system which allows you, as well as many more > and less talented music-makers, to be bought and sold like commodities > by corporations who treat other human beings as "consumers" and view > advertising and profit as more important than future human potential, > reform, and the environment.
the music makers are not being bought and sold, what is being bought and sold is a license to use a work of art in a short film or video that at the very worst misleads people into thinking they need something that they do not. since last i checked, nobody needs either prefuse 73, the internet or even television, i don't think any harm is being done. of *course* corporations treat human beings as "consumers" ... those "consumers" treat the products that these corporations spend their lifeblood creating and promoting as "commodities" which they discard or ignore at their own whim. to think that the poor unfortunate consumer gives up their free will by watching an advertisement is to ignore the primary function of the advertisement itself: to *persuade* other people to *choose* your product. brand loyalty is a weak force at best, and a complete fallacy 90% of the time. in today's climate of cynicism and suspicion of any corporate entity larger than the corner mom-n-pop store, when we have personal digital video recorders that automatically edit out advertisements, i don't think the naive view of corporations as mind-bending propaganda factories really holds up. really, i think advertisements are in greater danger of becoming irrelevant than the average television viewer is in danger of being influenced; the viewer understands that the function of the advertisement is to sell products, not to inform them. the only exceptions to this rule are the young and the stupid.
quoted 1 line To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive.> To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive.
i think it's naive to simplify the relation between consumer and media so much. it's a 2 way transaction these days. we're not living in Marshall Mcluhan's universe anymore. The viewers have woken up to the realization that they influence the media as much as the media influences them. Think about how many Nielsen ratings and focus groups and market profiles go into any decision made by any corporation. I'm not saying that they are benevolent or even that they are devoid of harm but if advertising was the worst evil perpetuated by American corporations, we would be living in a beatiful world. I think as long as long as an artist feels morally secure in licensing a work to a corporation, then they have every right to do so. I would certainly license a work of my own to many companies. There are also many that I would not license to. There *is* a danger inherent in selling ones' artwork to an advertiser, and that is the transfer of perceived "ownership" of the music from the artist to the corporation. Nick Drake's song "Pink Moon" will always be associated with Volkswagen for an enormous number of people. But the flipside of that transaction is that a significant percentage of the people who bought a Nick Drake album within the last year did so because that was the guy from the Volkswagen commercial. This is possibly not the best example since Nick Drake is long dead and does not get to benefit from the licensing of his music, but there are many other artists for whom this dubious transaction is probably paying off nicely. I would guess Dirty Vegas' cover of "Days Go By" would never have hit the Top 40 if they hadn't licensed it to Mitsubishi. If they are happy with the fact that their song invokes Mitsubishi's logo for the millions of people dropping money on the single, well so am I. In most situations I think it's a beneficial transaction to all parties involved. The artist gets a whole fuckload of cash which they can then use to develop their art further, and the advertiser purchases a couple of things: A catchy tune that the intended consumer will associate with their product; and the "hipness" factor if they choose the right track (Prefuse 73 fans probably have newfound "respect" for Footlocker, as absurd as that is given that it's the ad agency not the corporation that chooses the soundtrack).
quoted 3 lines If you are interested in these sorts of things, I would recommend> If you are interested in these sorts of things, I would recommend > reading Robert McChesney's "Rich Media, Poor Democracy: Communication > Media in Dubious Times" for a much better perspective.
I'll definitely look at this book ... as you can guess by the length of my reply this is definitely a subject I'm interested in. Josh> -- -- String Theory -- http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi -- String Theory's Anhedonia CD/LP available at finer music stores worldwide --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 12:26... hellothisisalex ...>i think it's naive to simplify the relation between consumer and media >so much. it's a 2
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quoted 3 lines i think it's naive to simplify the relation between consumer and media>i think it's naive to simplify the relation between consumer and media >so much. it's a 2 way transaction these days. we're not living in >Marshall Mcluhan's universe anymore.
I'm not entirely sure that Marshall Mcluhan's universe said that either, so much as those who have used Mcluhan's ideas to discuss a simplified consumer and media transaction. Even his ideas on the newspaper collage involve the necessary back and forth between the reader and the collage. It's the same with advertising. 2-way, just like you've pointed out. Perhaps the only moments when he could seem to be saying that the interaction is one way is when he talks about the lack of direct interaction between the television and the viewer at the very moment the viewer watches something. The viewer doesn't really directly affect the programming as it's coming off the tube. But whatever. I agree for the most part with the rest of what you've said, just not this one statement. Probably I just like Mcluhan too much. :) cheers Mark & Melissa hellothisisalex www.hellothisisalex.com / records.hellothisisalex.com mp3s at www.raw42.com/cgi-bin/featuredartist.pl?artist=213 mark@hellothisisalex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 14:51robert stanton>What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the >detriment >of everyone e
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quoted 2 lines What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the >detriment>What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the >detriment >of everyone else?
I surely hope you are just being sarcastic here. If you're not, here's a brief explanation: the ideas of neo-liberalism, which you have voiced here, maintain that policies which maximize the role of markets and profit-making and minimize the role of nonmarket institutions (e.g. regulation) are best. However, these modern markets and the vast number of corporations/conglomerates that are involved in them only cater to the elites, namely the rich and powerful owners of such companies. So, first off, since most of the media outlets today are owned by a half-dozen powerful corporations, you're not going to hear much news or journalism that's either controversial to *their* concerns or other companies (see the book I previously mentioned for more information on this). Additionally, neo-liberalism's "markets know best" approach, if taken to the extreme, would mean no agencies such as the EPA, FDA, etc. And, as long as the elite's backyard looks nice, green, and unpolluted, and that his food/medicine doesn't kill him, history has demonstrated that he isn't going to care about the rest of world. This ideology of uncaring has been in part responsible for the poor conditions of the world to the present. The simple idea of "I'm ok, so I don't care if you are" is about the most ignorant and selfish statement one human being can make to another. The fact that this ideology is so commonly voiced by many societies and people across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of laissez-faire life, goverment, and economics have gone.
quoted 3 lines I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're >simply>I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're >simply >supporting bad music formats and the technology industry that >creates >speakers and cd players.
There's a *big* difference between recording music for various formats and directly allowing your music to support an institution via payment directly from that institution. Phillips and whoever else owns the rights to the CD patents is *not* paying you to use their musical formats to record music, whereas Footlocker *is* paying Scott Herren to use his music. I argued that this paying of Herren was negative in that it either demonstrates his naivete of what he is supporting, or that he just doesn't care that his music is being commercialized (and commercialized does not mean "made popular") and supporting corrupt institutions.
quoted 2 lines n5md must be horrible, according to your reasoning, as they're so>n5md must be horrible, according to your reasoning, as they're so > >blatantly supporting sony technology.
I think my above statement covers this - n5md is not being paid by Sony to use their technology. For whatever reason, the people there have chosen MiniDisc format for their releases. Since they are not being compensated by Sony, and I do not know anyone at the label, I can only assume that they found some reason to value this format over any others. Robert _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 15:51dave_dunstanI think it's great Prefuse got some bling bling. To be obtuse: it is a physical impossibil
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I think it's great Prefuse got some bling bling. To be obtuse: it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp rope, solar power, household vinegar and some recycled newspapers. That would probably be the only materials Prefuse would have available if he turned down corporate funding of any sort. Of course, if it was possible, then we would have a lot more jam bands, so I'm glad it isn't. dave -----Original Message----- From: robert stanton [mailto:industrialrobot@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:51 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad
quoted 2 lines What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the >detriment>What's wrong with trying to better one's own lot in life to the >detriment >of everyone else?
I surely hope you are just being sarcastic here. If you're not, here's a brief explanation: the ideas of neo-liberalism, which you have voiced here, maintain that policies which maximize the role of markets and profit-making and minimize the role of nonmarket institutions (e.g. regulation) are best. However, these modern markets and the vast number of corporations/conglomerates that are involved in them only cater to the elites, namely the rich and powerful owners of such companies. So, first off, since most of the media outlets today are owned by a half-dozen powerful corporations, you're not going to hear much news or journalism that's either controversial to *their* concerns or other companies (see the book I previously mentioned for more information on this). Additionally, neo-liberalism's "markets know best" approach, if taken to the extreme, would mean no agencies such as the EPA, FDA, etc. And, as long as the elite's backyard looks nice, green, and unpolluted, and that his food/medicine doesn't kill him, history has demonstrated that he isn't going to care about the rest of world. This ideology of uncaring has been in part responsible for the poor conditions of the world to the present. The simple idea of "I'm ok, so I don't care if you are" is about the most ignorant and selfish statement one human being can make to another. The fact that this ideology is so commonly voiced by many societies and people across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of laissez-faire life, goverment, and economics have gone.
quoted 3 lines I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're >simply>I suppose people also shouldn't try selling their music, as they're >simply >supporting bad music formats and the technology industry that >creates >speakers and cd players.
There's a *big* difference between recording music for various formats and directly allowing your music to support an institution via payment directly from that institution. Phillips and whoever else owns the rights to the CD patents is *not* paying you to use their musical formats to record music, whereas Footlocker *is* paying Scott Herren to use his music. I argued that this paying of Herren was negative in that it either demonstrates his naivete of what he is supporting, or that he just doesn't care that his music is being commercialized (and commercialized does not mean "made popular") and supporting corrupt institutions.
quoted 2 lines n5md must be horrible, according to your reasoning, as they're so>n5md must be horrible, according to your reasoning, as they're so > >blatantly supporting sony technology.
I think my above statement covers this - n5md is not being paid by Sony to use their technology. For whatever reason, the people there have chosen MiniDisc format for their releases. Since they are not being compensated by Sony, and I do not know anyone at the label, I can only assume that they found some reason to value this format over any others. Robert _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 20:15Thomas Millar> across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of > laissez-faire lif
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quoted 2 lines across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of> across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of > laissez-faire life, goverment, and economics have gone.
Yes. People should be told that they have to care, and it is necessary for the State to enforce caring at all times, because otherwise, nobody cares. It is a good thing Robert Stanton is on this list, to tell us that we should care, and that having money is the opposite of caring. Tomorrow, Mao and Che will help us imprison all the landlords, then we will found a utopia. Or you could fuck off with your Intelligent Dance Politics and blow your college kid socialism out your pasty ass. Oops, was I rude and dismissive again?
quoted 3 lines naivete of what he is supporting, or that he just doesn't care that his> naivete of what he is supporting, or that he just doesn't care that his > music is being commercialized (and commercialized does not mean "made > popular") and supporting corrupt institutions.
Yes, corrupt institutions that somehow just allowed you to communicate your dissenting opinion to hundreds of people all over the globe, instantly, and with no fear of retribution. Damn all capitalism, damn all technology, damn the people who make my food and clothing. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-10 17:24wellsOn Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 09:51:13AM -0500, robert stanton wrote: > I surely hope you are ju
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quoted 7 lines I surely hope you are just being sarcastic here. If you're not, here's a> I surely hope you are just being sarcastic here. If you're not, here's a > brief explanation: the ideas of neo-liberalism, which you have voiced here, > maintain that policies which maximize the role of markets and profit-making > and minimize the role of nonmarket institutions (e.g. regulation) are best. > > Robert >
The real question here is, clearly, just what in the hell are you blathering about? Was that some elaborate joke? / wells oliver // wells@submute.net / http://www.submute.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 20:24Jason Stickel...Free Tibet, save the whales, end oppression in Communist China. Point well taken Tom -
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...Free Tibet, save the whales, end oppression in Communist China. Point well taken Tom - I gots yo back, yo!
quoted 36 lines From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net>>From: Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:15:23 -0400 > > > > across the globe is a frightening testament to how much the ideas of > > laissez-faire life, goverment, and economics have gone. > >Yes. People should be told that they have to care, and it is necessary for >the State to enforce caring at all times, because otherwise, nobody cares. >It is a good thing Robert Stanton is on this list, to tell us that we >should >care, and that having money is the opposite of caring. Tomorrow, Mao and >Che >will help us imprison all the landlords, then we will found a utopia. > >Or you could fuck off with your Intelligent Dance Politics and blow your >college kid socialism out your pasty ass. Oops, was I rude and dismissive >again? > > > naivete of what he is supporting, or that he just doesn't care that his > > music is being commercialized (and commercialized does not mean "made > > popular") and supporting corrupt institutions. > >Yes, corrupt institutions that somehow just allowed you to communicate your >dissenting opinion to hundreds of people all over the globe, instantly, and >with no fear of retribution. Damn all capitalism, damn all technology, damn >the people who make my food and clothing. > >Tom > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-09 20:41shift8agreed on the $ tip, and from the initial responce to the post it would seem like the folk
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agreed on the $ tip, and from the initial responce to the post it would seem like the folks that did the ad were friends of Prefuse. (or at least that's how it read to me...) but, uh... so what's wrong with jam bands, bizitch!? "...and then we put mud in people's heads and beat on them, to make the sound of, uh... uh a sack of grits falling off of a car." or something. signed, yermom ___BEGIN_BLINGBLING___ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:51:54 -0700 To: <idm@hyperreal.org> From: "dave_dunstan" <dave@underpop.org> Subject: RE: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad Message-ID: <HHELKDCAPCFFBFEBAELGMEKACAAA.dave@underpop.org> I think it's great Prefuse got some bling bling. To be obtuse: it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp rope, solar power, household vinegar and some recycled newspapers. That would probably be the only materials Prefuse would have available if he turned down corporate funding of any sort. Of course, if it was possible, then we would have a lot more jam bands, so I'm glad it isn't. dave ___END_BLINGBLING___ http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - Get the best out of your PC! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 21:02robert stanton>it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp >rope, >solar power,
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quoted 4 lines it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp >rope,>it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp >rope, >solar power, household vinegar and some recycled newspapers. >That would >probably be the only materials Prefuse would have available >if he turned >down corporate funding of any sort.
Most "IDM" musicians don't get corporate funding of any sort and are able to create music just fine. To my knowledge, this is the first time Herren himself allowed his material to be used for commercial work. So, how would you explain all the music he has made up to this point? According to your logic, he would not have been able to create or release any records, which is simply untrue. Robert _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-09 21:36Dave Dunstan" Most "IDM" musicians don't get corporate funding of any sort and are able to create musi
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" Most "IDM" musicians don't get corporate funding of any sort and are able to create music just fine. " But they do get corporate funding - by working - it's called a JOB. It's a fact of life for most of us. Maybe not for you! Who pays for your CDs? Your computer? Is it an allowance? Well that's comin' from dear old mom and dad, and unless they're sellin' shrooms they're working for corporate America. Got a job at Togos? Well that's corporate America right there lunchmeat-boy. What if you get a better job - like a specialized auto mechanic? Then you're a tool of Ford and Chevrolet you bastard. What if I decide to express myself through computer science and really go for the dough. Then obviously I'm Bill Gates' little bitch and I'm a frickin' bastard, pressin' the people down!!! I guess we're all tools of Satan, robots to serve the giant corporate machine and deserve to be put to death. I suppose you think using hotmail for free is really "Sticking it to the man!" God I love this list. OLOLOL dave robert stanton wrote:
quoted 24 lines it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp>> it is a physical impossibility to put out IDM albums using only hemp >> >rope, solar power, household vinegar and some recycled newspapers. >> >That would probably be the only materials Prefuse would have >> available >if he turned down corporate funding of any sort. > > > Most "IDM" musicians don't get corporate funding of any sort and are > able to create music just fine. To my knowledge, this is the first > time Herren himself allowed his material to be used for commercial > work. So, how would you explain all the music he has made up to this > point? According to your logic, he would not have been able to create > or release any records, which is simply untrue. > > Robert > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-08-10 11:36adrian jonssonyou know, there are actually ways of earning money that does not involve corporate funding
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you know, there are actually ways of earning money that does not involve corporate funding. i don't know how it works in the US, but in sweden the government gives us money when we study at universities. something that i'm sure is avaliable in the US though is jobs for the government or other public authorities. also, there are lots of NGO's (non-governmental oragnizations) that are not exactly corporations, such as amnesty international or human rights watch. so, there are other ways to earn a living than working for a corporation. /adrian (cellular) http://cellmusic.cjb.net
quoted 12 lines But they do get corporate funding - by working - it's called a JOB.>But they do get corporate funding - by working - it's called a JOB. >It's a fact of life for most of us. Maybe not for you! Who pays for >your CDs? Your computer? Is it an allowance? Well that's comin' from >dear old mom and dad, and unless they're sellin' shrooms they're >working for corporate America. Got a job at Togos? Well that's >corporate America right there lunchmeat-boy. What if you get a better >job - like a specialized auto mechanic? Then you're a tool of Ford and >Chevrolet you bastard. What if I decide to express myself through >computer science and really go for the dough. Then obviously I'm Bill >Gates' little bitch and I'm a frickin' bastard, pressin' the people >down!!! I guess we're all tools of Satan, robots to serve the giant >corporate machine and deserve to be put to death.
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2002-08-10 17:51pixilatedAnd who gives the governments and NGOs money to give away to artists? Enough of this stupi
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And who gives the governments and NGOs money to give away to artists? Enough of this stupidity. Props to Prefuse for getting paid. If any of you don't want to get paid, don't get paid. Keep your crypto-fascist socialist bullshit off this list, though. Hugs and kisses, Capitalist Running Dog Lackey -----Original Message----- From: adrian jonsson [mailto:adrian.jonsson@telia.com] Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 7:37 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad you know, there are actually ways of earning money that does not involve corporate funding. i don't know how it works in the US, but in sweden the government gives us money when we study at universities. something that i'm sure is avaliable in the US though is jobs for the government or other public authorities. also, there are lots of NGO's (non-governmental oragnizations) that are not exactly corporations, such as amnesty international or human rights watch. so, there are other ways to earn a living than working for a corporation. /adrian (cellular) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-11 07:54reak what>From: String Theory <string@onshore.com> >To: "robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.c
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quoted 99 lines From: String Theory <string@onshore.com>>From: String Theory <string@onshore.com> >To: "robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Prefuse 73 Tune in Footlocker Ad >Date: 08 Aug 2002 23:51:51 -0500 > >"robert stanton" <industrialrobot@hotmail.com> writes: > > > Supporting any sort of modern advertising scheme is negative in my > > opinion. Even if you are "just making money to make more music" you > > are also promoting the system which allows you, as well as many more > > and less talented music-makers, to be bought and sold like commodities > > by corporations who treat other human beings as "consumers" and view > > advertising and profit as more important than future human potential, > > reform, and the environment. > >the music makers are not being bought and sold, what is being bought >and sold is a license to use a work of art in a short film or video >that at the very worst misleads people into thinking they need >something that they do not. since last i checked, nobody needs either >prefuse 73, the internet or even television, i don't think any harm is >being done. of *course* corporations treat human beings as >"consumers" ... those "consumers" treat the products that these >corporations spend their lifeblood creating and promoting as >"commodities" which they discard or ignore at their own whim. to >think that the poor unfortunate consumer gives up their free will by >watching an advertisement is to ignore the primary function of the >advertisement itself: to *persuade* other people to *choose* your >product. brand loyalty is a weak force at best, and a complete >fallacy 90% of the time. in today's climate of cynicism and suspicion >of any corporate entity larger than the corner mom-n-pop store, when >we have personal digital video recorders that automatically edit out >advertisements, i don't think the naive view of corporations as >mind-bending propaganda factories really holds up. really, i think >advertisements are in greater danger of becoming irrelevant than the >average television viewer is in danger of being influenced; the viewer >understands that the function of the advertisement is to sell >products, not to inform them. the only exceptions to this rule are >the young and the stupid. > > > To be so blatantly supportive of such activities seems rather naive. > >i think it's naive to simplify the relation between consumer and media >so much. it's a 2 way transaction these days. we're not living in >Marshall Mcluhan's universe anymore. The viewers have woken up to the >realization that they influence the media as much as the media >influences them. Think about how many Nielsen ratings and focus >groups and market profiles go into any decision made by any >corporation. I'm not saying that they are benevolent or even that >they are devoid of harm but if advertising was the worst evil >perpetuated by American corporations, we would be living in a beatiful >world. > >I think as long as long as an artist feels morally secure in licensing >a work to a corporation, then they have every right to do so. I would >certainly license a work of my own to many companies. There are also >many that I would not license to. There *is* a danger inherent in >selling ones' artwork to an advertiser, and that is the transfer of >perceived "ownership" of the music from the artist to the >corporation. Nick Drake's song "Pink Moon" will always be associated >with Volkswagen for an enormous number of people. But the flipside of >that transaction is that a significant percentage of the people who >bought a Nick Drake album within the last year did so because that was >the guy from the Volkswagen commercial. This is possibly not the best >example since Nick Drake is long dead and does not get to benefit from >the licensing of his music, but there are many other artists for whom >this dubious transaction is probably paying off nicely. I would guess >Dirty Vegas' cover of "Days Go By" would never have hit the Top 40 if >they hadn't licensed it to Mitsubishi. If they are happy with the >fact that their song invokes Mitsubishi's logo for the millions of >people dropping money on the single, well so am I. > >In most situations I think it's a beneficial transaction to all >parties involved. The artist gets a whole fuckload of cash which they >can then use to develop their art further, and the advertiser >purchases a couple of things: A catchy tune that the intended consumer >will associate with their product; and the "hipness" factor if they >choose the right track (Prefuse 73 fans probably have newfound >"respect" for Footlocker, as absurd as that is given that it's the ad >agency not the corporation that chooses the soundtrack). > > > If you are interested in these sorts of things, I would recommend > > reading Robert McChesney's "Rich Media, Poor Democracy: Communication > > Media in Dubious Times" for a much better perspective. > >I'll definitely look at this book ... as you can guess by the length >of my reply this is definitely a subject I'm interested in. > >Josh> > >-- >-- String Theory >-- http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi >-- String Theory's Anhedonia CD/LP available at finer music stores >worldwide > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2002-08-12 23:42nethedagree with the statements about licensing but lost track who said what. i thought people w
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agree with the statements about licensing but lost track who said what. i thought people were buying nick drake records because his tracks are being used on some gawd awful Young Americans teen soap I caught on UK tv the other day. Fueled with angst the songs still captivate a mood. Not so sure how Nick's estate was set up due to the way he died etc but as i understand it copyright is life of the author plus 70 years which is how disney still has a copyright on Mickey Mouse. Everytime it comes up to a Walt Disney death anniversary and Mickey might come into public domain the Disney Corp goes into overdrive lobbying Congress & the rest of the world to extend the life of copyright.... at least that was one of the trivial things i learned in summer school at harvard. the original idea behind copyright was to give authors, composers etc a period of time in which they could do things like license it to pay for the labours of creating it. many artists (not all) take a point 2 position. you dont like volkswagen - dont license your music to them. i'm sure volkswagen had to get permission from the publisher and the label to use the track especially if this was an ad in the states & somewhere along the line a fee was paid - not to the drake family(altho you'd think they might get a royalty on airplay) you can be sure a label or a publisher were contacted, permission sought & granted with an exchange of paper - not only contracts but a check. _____________________ the music makers are not being bought and sold, what is being bought and sold is a license to use a work of art in a short film or video that at the very worst misleads people into thinking they need something that they do not. since last i checked, nobody needs either prefuse 73, the internet or even television, i don't think any harm is being done. ----------- I think as long as long as an artist feels morally secure in licensing a work to a corporation, then they have every right to do so. --------- Nick Drake's song "Pink Moon" will always be associated with Volkswagen for an enormous number of people. But the flipside of that transaction is that a significant percentage of the people who bought a Nick Drake album within the last year did so because that was the guy from the Volkswagen commercial. This is possibly not the best example since Nick Drake is long dead and does not get to benefit from the licensing of his music -- http://www.ninjatune.net/solidsteel New Archive of Solid Steel mixes http://www.bbc.co.uk/london Monday midnite>2am UK time live mixing --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-08-13 00:09henrik str.mbergAt 00.42 +0100 02-08-13, nethed wrote: >agree with the statements about licensing but lost
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At 00.42 +0100 02-08-13, nethed wrote:
quoted 1 line agree with the statements about licensing but lost track who said what.>agree with the statements about licensing but lost track who said what.
on a sort of related note - i was talking to si begg recently, and he said that ninja tune never clear any samples, last time he checked. cool. is this still true? hs -- the history of the 20th century clearly shows that the most popular and least effective way of getting a foreign people to change government is to throw explosives at them from the air. - carsten palmær --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org