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At 07:41 PM 7/11/2002 -0700, michael goodfellow wrote:

quoted 14 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download". > >the album's probably about 40 minutes long-mostly >ambient with some drums, and a really organic sample >of a woman's voice at one point repeating "who was i?" >as it receeds out of hearing > >i heard one guy from skinny puppy was in the group-and >that the name of the group and the album were designed >so that the tracks could not be easily acquired over >p2p networks-but my friend presented the whole thing >on a cdr to me as some kind of achievement.

Yeah, it's cevin key's side project. 3 albums, sort of industrially and tending more towards IDM as they progressed. They're not really an IDM group, per se, and the album you're speaking of is actually quite old. A quick search on amazon.com shows the other albums and the release date for iii is 1997 -- hardly anything "tech" enough to warrant anything difficult for copiers. Not to mention the lack of p2p networks back then.... It may be difficult to get over p2p networks because it's 5 yrs old, though... Anyway, basically a more electronicy industrial side project for some skinny puppy people with Mark Spybey on the first two albums. I found iii a little lacking, personally, as it attempted to be "idm" and ended up being cheese. However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of stanley pain." Grindy, noisey, and very solid, with spybey doing some wonderful whispery screamy lyrics that blend with the music SO well. Genesis P. Orridge is on it in a few spots, but meh, skip those tracks. That and the "sidewinder" EP which accompanies it are probably an example of some of the best industrial-IDM stuff around, without being too cliche or boring (like most industrial music). I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii and later are weak IMO. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of

> However, they really had a good thing going on the album "the eyes of > stanley pain." Grindy, noisey, and very solid, with spybey doing some > wonderful whispery screamy lyrics that blend with the music SO > well.

hear hear. i didn't think much of this album when i first heard it, but it grows on you. the other download album i've heard didn't impress at all. __michal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

quoted 4 lines I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands

> I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands > that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is > quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii > and later are weak IMO.

"later"? What are you referring to? I agree with most of what you wrote. (A nuance, maybe...: I really hated "iii" when I first got it. But on further listening sessions, I had to admit that I found redeeming qualities to parts of the album. Especially a track whose title involves electric insects or something of that ilk. It's been a while...) I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii". Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it), but I swear the music is very fine. In the same vein as "The Eyes...", but even better IMO. I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another project, though... How does that one sound?) g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 11:09 PM 7/11/02 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 1 line "later"? What are you referring to?

>"later"? What are you referring to?

"Effector," I would assume.

quoted 2 lines I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack

>I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack >album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii".

"Charlie's Family" was recorded sometime around the same time as "Furnace." There was a recent release of the full version of "Puppy Gristle" (released as a Skinny Puppy CD ironically), which includes much of the uneditted "Charlie's Family" tracks.

quoted 1 line Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it),

>Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it),

It's a trashy horror film, just depends on whether or not you like that sort of thing. I don't think it's officially been released, though, only screened a couple times.

quoted 2 lines I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's anothe

>I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another >project, though... How does that one sound?)

platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the name of the album if that gives you any ideas. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 8 lines On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

>On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color: > >> I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands >> that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is >> quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii >> and later are weak IMO. > >"later"? What are you referring to?

There have been 3 albums since then - Effector, Inception, and III Steps Forward.

quoted 2 lines I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's anothe

>I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another >project, though... How does that one sound?)

Plateau is really good...its Phil Western's project with Key helping out. I think just about every track is named after some super high-potent strain of marijuana, if that tells you where they are coming from :) Also I highly recommend Phil Western's last solo album 'Dark Features' -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Weeeellll, you really can't judge this music by the posers, check out the roots of he music, with Psychic TV or Foetus, or even Big Black, lots of good old stuff. On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Guillaume Grenier wrote:

quoted 38 lines On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color:

> On 11/07/02 22:56, EggyToast said in living color: > > > I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 bands > > that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album there is > > quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most tastes, and iii > > and later are weak IMO. > > "later"? What are you referring to? > > I agree with most of what you wrote. (A nuance, maybe...: I really hated > "iii" when I first got it. But on further listening sessions, I had to admit > that I found redeeming qualities to parts of the album. Especially a track > whose title involves electric insects or something of that ilk. It's been a > while...) > > I'd just like to add a good word for "Charlie's Family" (a soundtrack > album), which I think is really good. I think it was done before "iii". > Apparently the film it's associated with is pretty weak (I haven't seen it), > but I swear the music is very fine. In the same vein as "The Eyes...", but > even better IMO. > > I haven't listened to the singles nor "plateau" (I think that's another > project, though... How does that one sound?) > > g. > > -- > Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca > > in space there is no north in space there is no south > in space there is no east in space there is no west > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3

>I normally hate industrial music because it's basically the same 3 >bands that just spin off side projects, but download's middle album >there is quality. Furnace is good but a little too "loose" for most >tastes, and iii and later are weak IMO.

Have you heard the new release 'III Steps Forward'? Possibly the best thing they have done yet. And the last album 'Effector' was quite dope as well... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 20 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download". > >the album's probably about 40 minutes long-mostly >ambient with some drums, and a really organic sample >of a woman's voice at one point repeating "who was i?" >as it receeds out of hearing > >i heard one guy from skinny puppy was in the group-and >that the name of the group and the album were designed >so that the tracks could not be easily acquired over >p2p networks-but my friend presented the whole thing >on a cdr to me as some kind of achievement. > >anyone know anything about this group, who they are, >etc etc? >i think they are from north america > >thanks

Download is the post-Skinny Puppy project of cEvin Key. They have several albums and ep's out all of which are absolutely excellent IMO. I don't know what he is talking about about the p2p stuff...they are regular audio cd's just like everything else...no harder to get than any other cd. more info here: http://www.subconsciousstudios.com/ they are from Canada. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 09:41 PM 7/11/2002, michael goodfellow wrote:

quoted 3 lines this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an

>this past january a friend gave me a burned copy of an >album called "iii" (as in "three") by the idm group >"download".

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I see several posts about this already, but Download has to be the most underrated electronica groups out there, so I feel the need to expound on its greatness. The incarnation of Download was a Skinny Puppy track on Last Rights called, appropriately enough, "Download." In 1995 cEvin and philth (phil western) teamed up with Mark Spybey (Dead Voices on Air, which is a hell of a lot closer to 'ambient with some drums' than Download is) to be the central elements of Download, including lots of guests like Genesis P'Orridge (*shudder*... it's rumored that the only reason he gets to stick around is that he has all the drugs) and Ohgr, etc. The early Download sound was really nothing like III, it grew more out of the Skinny Puppy sound. But with the influence of ambient folks like philth and spybey, it turned into the awesome force it is now. If you like III, pick up Effector and DO NOT i repeat DO NOT miss out on part 3 of Subconscious Studios "From the Vault..." series called III Steps Forward. It is unquestionably my favorite one so far; there are only 1000 copies and I have #702, so they're bound to be gone soon. A lot of SP fans got turned off of Download when III came out precisely because it has somewhat of a softer edge than the previous ones (have a listen to Charlie's Family or Furnace or The Eyes of Stanley Pain and you'll see what I'm talking about). Also, it's likely that you'll dig the more techno project of cEvin's as well, called Plateau. Music From Grass Bars is awesome, and they will be #4 in the From the Vault series... if III Steps Forward is any indication of the quality of this series, the new Plateau promises to be hella cool. Unfortunately, III Steps Forward was philth's last work with cEvin on Download (apparently). Oh, and please for the love of pete don't call Download IDM. m craque http://craque.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the

> platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the name > of the album if that gives you any ideas.

There was another plateau album "Spacecake" as well. Rob! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the

> > platEAU basically sounds like "III" does. "Music for Grassbars" is the name >> of the album if that gives you any ideas. > >There was another plateau album "Spacecake" as well.

and the new Vault release 'Iceolater' coming out later this month... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember correctly the album says that it's the first in a set of three albums. does anyone know what happened to that project? did he choose to do download instead? (from what i've heard of download, not a good move.) /adrian (cellular) http://cellmusic.cjb.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The second volume of cEvin Key's trilogy came out last year. It's called "The Ghosts of Each Room" and it's on Metropolis. www.industrial-music.com Chris On Friday, July 12, 2002, at 05:15 AM, adrian jonsson wrote:

quoted 13 lines i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember

> i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember > correctly the album says that it's the first in a set of three albums. > does anyone know what happened to that project? did he choose to do > download instead? (from what i've heard of download, not a good move.) > > /adrian (cellular) > http://cellmusic.cjb.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 4 lines i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember

> >i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember >correctly the album says that it's the first in a set of three albums. >does anyone know what happened to that project?

Well, cEvin released another solo album called "The Ghost in Each Room" or something like that. It's okay, but not that great. Then again, I have a similar opinion of "Music for Cats". The two don't really sound that alike though. "The Ghosts. . ." sounds kinda like effector by Download, i guess, although it can get kinda rockish sometimes. poor description ive written. :)

quoted 2 lines did he choose to do

>did he choose to do >download instead? (from what i've heard of download, not a good move.)

Download is his main project. I think his solo albums are "these songs don't fit in to any of my other projects" type affairs. As for download being bad/good, "Furnace" and "The Eyes of Stanely Pain" fuck my shit right up. Just lots of crazy, random, sometimes noisy, sometimes dancey bits. For those with a short attention span. Later work is smother, with more DM, but less I. ebola np: botch

quoted 7 lines /adrian (cellular)

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At 06:19 AM 7/13/02 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Download is his main project. I think his solo albums are "these songs

>Download is his main project. I think his solo albums are "these songs >don't fit in to any of my other projects" type affairs.

The second album, from what I've read, sounded like it was written to be a solo album. Like he sat down and said, "I'm making an album!" wholely apart from his work with Philth, Anthony Valcic and the rest of those Subconscious fellows. "Music For Cats," though, was definitely mostly outtakes from other things-- about a quarter of the songs were from Download's original demo tape (hence the "guest appearances" by GPO and Dwayne). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hey, I quite like "The Ghost of Each Room"- I think parts of it are very IDM. The rest is sort of an eclectic mix. The songs with Edward Ka-spel on vocals are funny. I like all of the Download albums, but "III" is amazing. "Eyes of Stanley Pain" and "Furnace" have a little more of a dark/industrial feel (although I wouldn't exactly classify Download as "industrial") - still great stuff. "Effector" is kind of electronic jam music, for lack of a better description. And "Charlie's Family" is the most avant-guard, eerie, etc. of the bunch. Someone I think compared it to Coil. Atom At 6:58 AM +0000 7/13/02, idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org wrote:

quoted 24 lines Subject: Re: [idm] idm group called "download" ?

>Subject: Re: [idm] idm group called "download" ? >Message-ID: <F83qx7H2TXmjKFc9rBK00012be1@hotmail.com> > >> >>i think cEvin Key's 'music for cats' album is wonderful. if i remember >>correctly the album says that it's the first in a set of three albums. >>does anyone know what happened to that project? > >Well, cEvin released another solo album called "The Ghost in Each Room" or >something like that. It's okay, but not that great. Then again, I have a >similar opinion of "Music for Cats". The two don't really sound that alike >though. "The Ghosts. . ." sounds kinda like effector by Download, i guess, >although it can get kinda rockish sometimes. poor description ive written. >:) > >>did he choose to do >>download instead? (from what i've heard of download, not a good move.) > >Download is his main project. I think his solo albums are "these songs >don't fit in to any of my other projects" type affairs. As for download >being bad/good, "Furnace" and "The Eyes of Stanely Pain" fuck my shit right >up. Just lots of crazy, random, sometimes noisy, sometimes dancey bits. >For those with a short attention span. Later work is smother, with more DM, >but less I.

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quoted 5 lines The second album, from what I've read, sounded like it was written to be a

> >The second album, from what I've read, sounded like it was written to be a >solo album. Like he sat down and said, "I'm making an album!" wholely apart >from his work with Philth, Anthony Valcic and the rest of those >Subconscious fellows.

Interesting. I got a different impression because of the way in which there are a few collaborators, principally the LPD's frontman whose name is escaping me, and Ogre, who vary from track to track. Also, "The Ghosts. . ." includes a track that was made for a sonic the hedgehog game on the dreamcast a few yrs. ago. ebola np: venetian snares _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I am a longtime fan of Cevin Key's music, and at the moment I have about 7 Cevin Key (of Download) and related releases up for grabs on my trade page. This is a good chance to try out some older classics and new Cevin Key material for cheap! As a bonus, buy any 3 discs from me and get a 4th disc FREE! (freebie = anything marked 6$ or less). Here's the download-related stuff: Download (Cevin Key & others) "Charlie's Family" MINT Metropolis/subConscious soundtrack digipak 7$ Phil Western (of Download) & Tim Hill "Dark Features" MINT The Record Company recent consignment disc from this cevin key collaborator 7$ Doubting Thomas "Father Don't Cry EP" MINT WaxTrax! first edition of this interesting Cevin Key side project 8$ Hilt "Orange Pony" USED Nettwerk wild mini-album from this Cevin Key project 7$ Hilt "Stoneman EP" USED Nettwerk remixes and exclusive tracks 7$ Hilt "Get Stuck EP" USED Nettwerk the first release for this Cevin Key project 7$ Skinny Puppy "Tormentor EP" USED Capitol long remix of Tormentor, Bark, and dub version of Nature's Revenge 7$ check http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin/trade.htm for the full updated trade list. email if interested. ===== Official Tetsu Inoue Homepage, RadioShow Playlists, and Trades @: http://ww1.math.luc.edu/~njurcin . . . . . ..... . . . . . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org